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Post#101 » by vvoland » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:18 pm

michaelm wrote:Draymond Green is a hothead who does stupid things and on current evidence Poole is not as good as he thought he was.


The most reasonable take on this issue. Dray is a man with anger management issues and Poole's mouth was writing checks the rest of him couldn't cash. It's really not any more complicated than that.
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Post#102 » by whatisacenter » Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:33 pm

vvoland wrote:
michaelm wrote:Draymond Green is a hothead who does stupid things and on current evidence Poole is not as good as he thought he was.


The most reasonable take on this issue. Dray is a man with anger management issues and Poole's mouth was writing checks the rest of him couldn't cash. It's really not any more complicated than that.


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Post#104 » by statsman » Tue Jun 10, 2025 1:08 pm

It would seem anything beyond the vet minimum for GP2 would need to be delayed until any possible deals involving JK are completed.
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kind of disappointing, his defense has really fallen off. Well I guess add another wing that will be guaranteed playing time since GP2 is Steve's safety blanket even though his defense is nowhere where it used to be.
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statsman wrote:It would seem anything beyond the vet minimum for GP2 would need to be delayed until any possible deals involving JK are completed.

Anything more than the vet min would be insane
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Post#107 » by whatisacenter » Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:54 pm

re-signing GP2 would check off the stretch 5 box. /s
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Post#108 » by azwfan » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:40 pm

If gp2 is in the last third of the roster i think its fine. (Meaning 11-14) mostly for roster continuity. No more than a 1-year deal though. Need easy contracts to add to JK lol or Draymond (pray) for the next disgruntled star.
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Post#109 » by vvoland » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:48 pm

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statsman wrote:It would seem anything beyond the vet minimum for GP2 would need to be delayed until any possible deals involving JK are completed.

Anything more than the vet min would be insane


I'm not even sure we have anything other than part of the TPMLE to offer other than the vet min. GP2 back in the bay on vet min is probably a win/win.
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Post#110 » by Onus » Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:34 pm

vvoland wrote:
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statsman wrote:It would seem anything beyond the vet minimum for GP2 would need to be delayed until any possible deals involving JK are completed.

Anything more than the vet min would be insane


I'm not even sure we have anything other than part of the TPMLE to offer other than the vet min. GP2 back in the bay on vet min is probably a win/win.

Please explain how it's a win/win. GP2 is no longer a good defender and is just taking minutes away from Moody and JK. We should be looking for the next GP2 who can actually stay in front of players and not get blown by repeatedly. He'd be fine if we used him as a 14th man but Kerr will use him as an 8th man.
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Post#111 » by Onus » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:18 pm

Marcus Thompson saying it’s likely we retain both gp2 and looney for the min.

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Moody/gp2
Jb/jk/gui
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41 is 13 and tpmle is 14.

Knox or key get 15 or maybe they make 41 get a 2 way and we sign both.

That means tpmle has to be a guard.
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Post#112 » by vvoland » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:14 pm

Onus wrote:Marcus Thompson saying it’s likely we retain both gp2 and looney for the min.

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Podz/buddy
Moody/gp2
Jb/jk/gui
Dray/post/looney/tjd

41 is 13 and tpmle is 14.

Knox or key get 15 or maybe they make 41 get a 2 way and we sign both.

That means tpmle has to be a guard.


GP2 on the vet min will probably get very little time. Kerr was always hesitant to use gp2 a lot and while he took the JK spot late in the year, i think it was more out of necessity than anything else. With Podz, JK, and MM not struggling at the same time, I hope, GP2 won't find a ton of minutes. As an emergency defender, great energy on the bench, great in the locker room presence, i'll happily take him on the vet min. Same for Loon.

I would also imagine Gui and TJD are both quite tradeable so I wouldn't lock them into roster spots just yet. The TPMLE should be a stretch 5 or a backup PG and the last vet min being whatever is left. If it's brook lopez on the TPMLE and a backup PG on the vet min or the opposite, who cares? The difference between a solid vet's minimum and the TPMLE is like 2.5M. I think the chance at at title and real playing time will be more important to some vets than those $2.5M.
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Post#113 » by Onus » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:55 pm

vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:Marcus Thompson saying it’s likely we retain both gp2 and looney for the min.

Curry
Podz/buddy
Moody/gp2
Jb/jk/gui
Dray/post/looney/tjd

41 is 13 and tpmle is 14.

Knox or key get 15 or maybe they make 41 get a 2 way and we sign both.

That means tpmle has to be a guard.


GP2 on the vet min will probably get very little time. Kerr was always hesitant to use gp2 a lot and while he took the JK spot late in the year, i think it was more out of necessity than anything else. With Podz, JK, and MM not struggling at the same time, I hope, GP2 won't find a ton of minutes. As an emergency defender, great energy on the bench, great in the locker room presence, i'll happily take him on the vet min. Same for Loon.

I would also imagine Gui and TJD are both quite tradeable so I wouldn't lock them into roster spots just yet. The TPMLE should be a stretch 5 or a backup PG and the last vet min being whatever is left. If it's brook lopez on the TPMLE and a backup PG on the vet min or the opposite, who cares? The difference between a solid vet's minimum and the TPMLE is like 2.5M. I think the chance at at title and real playing time will be more important to some vets than those $2.5M.


Gui and TJD are tradeable on minimum contracts? what are you expecting to get back for them? In a bigger trade yea sure they're add ons but as just trade fodder straight up, it's highly unlikely they're traded solo or combined just themselves.

I highly doubt we carry 5 centers especially with 4 of them being center locked.

really just seems like we're trying to bring back the vibes team back, we'll see what actually happens but reports so far doesn't seem promising for making any type of changes.
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Re: Is the front office really going to build around Steph, Jimmy and Draymond? 

Post#114 » by vvoland » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:09 pm

Onus wrote:
vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:Marcus Thompson saying it’s likely we retain both gp2 and looney for the min.

Curry
Podz/buddy
Moody/gp2
Jb/jk/gui
Dray/post/looney/tjd

41 is 13 and tpmle is 14.

Knox or key get 15 or maybe they make 41 get a 2 way and we sign both.

That means tpmle has to be a guard.


GP2 on the vet min will probably get very little time. Kerr was always hesitant to use gp2 a lot and while he took the JK spot late in the year, i think it was more out of necessity than anything else. With Podz, JK, and MM not struggling at the same time, I hope, GP2 won't find a ton of minutes. As an emergency defender, great energy on the bench, great in the locker room presence, i'll happily take him on the vet min. Same for Loon.

I would also imagine Gui and TJD are both quite tradeable so I wouldn't lock them into roster spots just yet. The TPMLE should be a stretch 5 or a backup PG and the last vet min being whatever is left. If it's brook lopez on the TPMLE and a backup PG on the vet min or the opposite, who cares? The difference between a solid vet's minimum and the TPMLE is like 2.5M. I think the chance at at title and real playing time will be more important to some vets than those $2.5M.


Gui and TJD are tradeable on minimum contracts? what are you expecting to get back for them? In a bigger trade yea sure they're add ons but as just trade fodder straight up, it's highly unlikely they're traded solo or combined just themselves.

I highly doubt we carry 5 centers especially with 4 of them being center locked.

really just seems like we're trying to bring back the vibes team back, we'll see what actually happens but reports so far doesn't seem promising for making any type of changes.


I'm just saying because gui and tjd are on the roster, doesn't mean the roster spot is unavailable. They should be easy to move so if we want to open a roster spot, I think we'll be able to do so. I don't expect much in return (unless we can convince someone like Indy TJD is the kind of center they want), just talking about available roster spots.

I also don't think we'll carry that many centers. If we go after one in FA, we probably move TJD or don't bring back Loon. That said, we did carry a bunch of C's that one year (or maybe more than 1) so perhaps 4 or 5 isn't that out of the question.
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Post#115 » by Onus » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:32 pm

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GP2 on the vet min will probably get very little time. Kerr was always hesitant to use gp2 a lot and while he took the JK spot late in the year, i think it was more out of necessity than anything else. With Podz, JK, and MM not struggling at the same time, I hope, GP2 won't find a ton of minutes. As an emergency defender, great energy on the bench, great in the locker room presence, i'll happily take him on the vet min. Same for Loon.

I would also imagine Gui and TJD are both quite tradeable so I wouldn't lock them into roster spots just yet. The TPMLE should be a stretch 5 or a backup PG and the last vet min being whatever is left. If it's brook lopez on the TPMLE and a backup PG on the vet min or the opposite, who cares? The difference between a solid vet's minimum and the TPMLE is like 2.5M. I think the chance at at title and real playing time will be more important to some vets than those $2.5M.


Gui and TJD are tradeable on minimum contracts? what are you expecting to get back for them? In a bigger trade yea sure they're add ons but as just trade fodder straight up, it's highly unlikely they're traded solo or combined just themselves.

I highly doubt we carry 5 centers especially with 4 of them being center locked.

really just seems like we're trying to bring back the vibes team back, we'll see what actually happens but reports so far doesn't seem promising for making any type of changes.


I'm just saying because gui and tjd are on the roster, doesn't mean the roster spot is unavailable. They should be easy to move so if we want to open a roster spot, I think we'll be able to do so. I don't expect much in return (unless we can convince someone like Indy TJD is the kind of center they want), just talking about available roster spots.

I also don't think we'll carry that many centers. If we go after one in FA, we probably move TJD or don't bring back Loon. That said, we did carry a bunch of C's that one year (or maybe more than 1) so perhaps 4 or 5 isn't that out of the question.

So you'd be willing to dump TJD with a 2nd to open up a roster spot? I wouldn't. I would only do it if someone was willing to take him for free, which they couldn't do so some team would have to give us a 2nd for him.

Actually looks like Gui could be cut since he doesn't have any guaranteed money and is on a club option. So if we wanted another roster spot we could not pick up his option.

So 2 open spots maybe a 3rd if we want it. I really don't want a 15 deep roster again with Kerr trying to play 15 guys in a game. That was a horrible experience.
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Post#116 » by vvoland » Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:16 pm

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Gui and TJD are tradeable on minimum contracts? what are you expecting to get back for them? In a bigger trade yea sure they're add ons but as just trade fodder straight up, it's highly unlikely they're traded solo or combined just themselves.

I highly doubt we carry 5 centers especially with 4 of them being center locked.

really just seems like we're trying to bring back the vibes team back, we'll see what actually happens but reports so far doesn't seem promising for making any type of changes.


I'm just saying because gui and tjd are on the roster, doesn't mean the roster spot is unavailable. They should be easy to move so if we want to open a roster spot, I think we'll be able to do so. I don't expect much in return (unless we can convince someone like Indy TJD is the kind of center they want), just talking about available roster spots.

I also don't think we'll carry that many centers. If we go after one in FA, we probably move TJD or don't bring back Loon. That said, we did carry a bunch of C's that one year (or maybe more than 1) so perhaps 4 or 5 isn't that out of the question.

So you'd be willing to dump TJD with a 2nd to open up a roster spot? I wouldn't. I would only do it if someone was willing to take him for free, which they couldn't do so some team would have to give us a 2nd for him.

Actually looks like Gui could be cut since he doesn't have any guaranteed money and is on a club option. So if we wanted another roster spot we could not pick up his option.

So 2 open spots maybe a 3rd if we want it. I really don't want a 15 deep roster again with Kerr trying to play 15 guys in a game. That was a horrible experience.


I don't think we'd need to trade a second with TJD and am somewhat hopeful we can get a decent 2nd round pick for him from a team that has been fooled into thinking he's a good backup big.
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Post#117 » by TB » Wed Jun 11, 2025 7:31 pm

I feel like Dun Jr is pretty predictable with straight forward, logical decisions when it comes to free agency and the draft...

So I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the dust settles and we end up with Brook Lopez and Monte Morris accepting vet min roles because of how enticing our starting center and backup PG position is when it comes to minutes available on a team trying to compete.

Add in either Laravia or Yabusele with the TPMLE and we can pretty easily have a better squad surrounding Steph/Jimmy than we did last year.
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Post#118 » by vvoland » Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:53 pm

TB wrote:I feel like Dun Jr is pretty predictable with straight forward, logical decisions when it comes to free agency and the draft...

So I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the dust settles and we end up with Brook Lopez and Monte Morris accepting vet min roles because of how enticing our starting center and backup PG position is when it comes to minutes available on a team trying to compete.

Add in either Laravia or Yabusele with the TPMLE and we can pretty easily have a better squad surrounding Steph/Jimmy than we did last year.


If we got 3 out of those 4, most of this board would be pretty happy; and that's a hard thing to pull off.
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Post#119 » by whatisacenter » Yesterday 12:41 am

Onus wrote:Marcus Thompson saying it’s likely we retain both gp2 and looney for the min.

Curry
Podz/buddy
Moody/gp2
Jb/jk/gui
Dray/post/looney/tjd

41 is 13 and tpmle is 14.

Knox or key get 15 or maybe they make 41 get a 2 way and we sign both.

That means tpmle has to be a guard.


This is so deflating and probably true.

Doubt they find a S&T for JK and bring him back to move him at the deadline.

Sounds like they will just run it back outside of adding a player with pick 41 and the TMLE.
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Re: Is the front office really going to build around Steph, Jimmy and Draymond? 

Post#120 » by azwfan » Yesterday 1:00 am

whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:Marcus Thompson saying it’s likely we retain both gp2 and looney for the min.

Curry
Podz/buddy
Moody/gp2
Jb/jk/gui
Dray/post/looney/tjd

41 is 13 and tpmle is 14.

Knox or key get 15 or maybe they make 41 get a 2 way and we sign both.

That means tpmle has to be a guard.


This is so deflating and probably true.

Doubt they find a S&T for JK and bring him back to move him at the deadline.

Sounds like they will just run it back outside of adding a player with pick 41 and the TMLE.

I mean they were great after getting Jimmy, and still have Jimmy… besides age, injuries, and Draymond, what could go wrong?
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