Game 23 Warriors @ Sixers 12/4

[DAWill1128]

Man these almost but not quite comebacks rip your heart out. Foolish me thought we were going to win when we went up 4 with 1:11 to go and all the momentum. Great game from Pat Spencer, glad Steve let him play the whole 4th.

Funny I'm still hearing Steve criticism when he indeed did play the hot hand. And on that last possession, we have literally nobody who can stay with Maxey, the solution wasn't on the bench. We lost by 1 point with no Jimmy/Steph and Draymond leaving but some folks still blame Steve even though he did ride the hot hand tonight... pretty funny.

Podz (-20) and JK (-18) rightfully on the bench to close, both had rough games. Podz especially, yikes.

I don’t have any tactical problems with Kerr today.

Kinda sad though that the team isn’t able to get one clean inbound on three tries.

I was surprised nobody on three attempts came up to just get the ball, like short quick pass. I was always taught make a hard juke or two and come get the ball, get a quick chest pass delivered. They were drawing it up where these were long inbounds passes, just super risky lob into the air passes that the inbounder did not want to make understandably. Then the final couple seconds two guys ran into each other in desperation to come up and get it.

I don't know, Steph has been making a hard juke and coming up to get the ball and icing games for like 15 years. Super standard games over with Steph getting the inbound pass.

[wco81]

For me the take away was how settled the half court offense was with a legit performance by a thoughtful no-hurry point guard.
Podz sucks...we all know that. Spencer isn't great but I congratulate him on at least showing what a normal, organized offense can look like down the stretch.

But both Curry and Draymond seem to NEED chaos in order to score. And because of that, they give up a crap ton of turnovers.

I look forward to landing a point guard that actually run half court sets.

I wish that were true but I think they just played way above their heads, made shots they normally don't make consistently.

Hope I'm wrong but there's a reason they have been and still are end of the bench guys. There's a reason Spencer and Gus don't get many minutes.

In the key plays which decided the game, the athleticism of the Sixers' high draft picks like Edgecomb proved to be the difference in making the winning plays.

Warriors are unlikely to be able to rely on low-ceiling guys.

[ILOVEIT]

For me the take away was how settled the half court offense was with a legit performance by a thoughtful no-hurry point guard.
Podz sucks...we all know that. Spencer isn't great but I congratulate him on at least showing what a normal, organized offense can look like down the stretch.

But both Curry and Draymond seem to NEED chaos in order to score. And because of that, they give up a crap ton of turnovers.

I look forward to landing a point guard that actually run half court sets.

I wish that were true but I think they just played way above their heads, made shots they normally don't make consistently.

Hope I'm wrong but there's a reason they have been and still are end of the bench guys. There's a reason Spencer and Gus don't get many minutes.

In the key plays which decided the game, the athleticism of the Sixers' high draft picks like Edgecomb proved to be the difference in making the winning plays.

Warriors are unlikely to be able to rely on low-ceiling guys.

Trust me, I'm not saying Spencer and the crew would produce that every time. I'm just saying that a half court set CAN look like that for the Warriors in the hands of a talented AND disciplined point guard.

[whatisacenter]

Melton played a game and didn’t get hurt so tonight was a win, IMO.

[SpreeS]

Hield

21G 16min
22G 28min

Payton

19G 5min
20G 25min
21G 26min
22G 3min

Moody

20G 27min
21G 14min
22G 23min

These playing minutes are so random. Players dosn't know how many minutes they play, units are different every game, they dont feel each other, they dont feel the game. There is nothing consistent on this team. Vets are in or out, role players are lost duo instability, Kerr is lost in his own rotations.

WC TOP10 teams units number in this season

GSW 301
POR 259
SAN 233
OKC 230
MEM 209
PHO 208
LAL 194
HOU 147
MIN 145
DEN 133

[Romulus]

Melton played a game and didn’t get hurt so tonight was a win, IMO.

Is this another Steve Kerr quote?

[Mac1958]

These playing minutes are so random. Players dosn't know how many minutes they play, units are different every game, they dont feel each other, they dont feel the game. There is nothing consistent on this team. Vets are in or out, role players are lost duo instability, Kerr is lost in his own rotations.

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of constantly-changing starting lineups.

The argument is always "we adjust to the team we're playing". I've always thought THEY should adjust to MY team.

Players want to know their role and be comfortable in it. This isn't strategy, it's reactive chaos.

[Onus]

These playing minutes are so random. Players dosn't know how many minutes they play, units are different every game, they dont feel each other, they dont feel the game. There is nothing consistent on this team. Vets are in or out, role players are lost duo instability, Kerr is lost in his own rotations.

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of constantly-changing starting lineups.

The argument is always "we adjust to the team we're playing". I've always thought THEY should adjust to MY team.

Players want to know their role and be comfortable in it. This isn't strategy, it's reactive chaos.

The problem is that guys 4 and 5 aren't good enough to make the other team adjust, probably add Dray to this as well. They have serious limitations one way or another since we're likely starting Moody, Richard (2nd rd rookie), Post (2nd year/2nd rd player), Podz who has been MIA this year. Melton will likely solidify the 4th player but we still don't have a 5th player that Kerr trusts, probably should be Post at this point. But that could force Jimmy to a poa on large wings like Luka which Jimmy doesn't really want to do at this point of his career. Get Herb Jones and then we'll only switch between Herb and Post depending on the size of the other team. I also not sure I want Melton to play 30mpg at this point either for him to make it through the season.

[SpreeS]

These playing minutes are so random. Players dosn't know how many minutes they play, units are different every game, they dont feel each other, they dont feel the game. There is nothing consistent on this team. Vets are in or out, role players are lost duo instability, Kerr is lost in his own rotations.

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of constantly-changing starting lineups.

The argument is always "we adjust to the team we're playing". I've always thought THEY should adjust to MY team.

Players want to know their role and be comfortable in it. This isn't strategy, it's reactive chaos.

Most the time Kerr doesn't adjust to opponents. I would be verry happy if Kerr would has this skill. He is bad in game adjusment and dont react to opponent coach moves. The most time he is tying to find the best unit for his own system fit, but not for opponents weakness. Also he hasn't a patience with role players.

[Onus]

These playing minutes are so random. Players dosn't know how many minutes they play, units are different every game, they dont feel each other, they dont feel the game. There is nothing consistent on this team. Vets are in or out, role players are lost duo instability, Kerr is lost in his own rotations.

This is exactly why I've never been a fan of constantly-changing starting lineups.

The argument is always "we adjust to the team we're playing". I've always thought THEY should adjust to MY team.

Players want to know their role and be comfortable in it. This isn't strategy, it's reactive chaos.

Most the time Kerr doesn't adjust to opponents. I would be verry happy if Kerr would has this skill. He is bad in game adjusment and dont react to opponent coach moves. The most time he is tying to find the best unit for his own system fit, but not for opponents weakness. Also he hasn't a patience with role players.

The only player he really does matchups with is Draymond when there is a big matchup like zion or wemby then he'll try to match minutes with dray and that player, otherwise Kerr has his clipboard to make rotation decisions.

[Onus]

Biggest take away is that Melton should be our starting SG moving forward and really hinges on how many minutes he can play the rest of the year. By far our 4th best/most important player, but can he stay healthy?

[AirP.]

Last night was a great game to figure out who should Golden State continue to move forward with and who not to move forward with. With Curry and Butler out, the opportunity was there for players to step up and show they can do more. I don't really care about the role-players and I don't expect them to be able to step up offensively because they know who they are and are good with that... Melton, Green, Richard, Moody, Horford, Post, GPII, Seth, TJD and Santos, this was more about Kuminga, Podz and Spencer. For the most part, Kuminga and Podz looked like they were in a light scrimmage while Spencer came out with some pride and wanted to prove he should be in the NBA (sometimes he plays over his head but that's way better than just going through the motions and he's at least consistent with his effort unlike others). Coaches seem to like players who are good AND have a good understanding what they're going to get from them on a nightly basis.

I get sometimes the ball doesn't go through the hoop for players, but you can make up for that by giving more effort on the defensive end. One play that really stood out was around 4:22 left in the 2nd quarter, Grimes notices he has Post on him, takes him out to the 3pt line, gives an upfake that Post bites on to give Grimes the ability to go by him, on the other side of the basket Kuminga is guarding Drumond with Melton somewhat helping, instead of Kuminga going to help stop the drive he just stands there and allows an uncontested layup to happen although Kuminga did fake like he was going to go for the block from the other side of the basket...

I get vets who have been in this league a long time just going with it's another game, but for less established players, this is where you can stand out, prove to your coach what you can do and I think Kuminga and Podz really showed who they were, and it sure wasn't a player you'd pay a decent amount of money for.

I also watched Podz grab an offensive rebound, run to the corner and just jack up a 3 that barely hit rim... no thought of running the offense, maybe making the other team work on defense, just throw up a shot and get back on defense, especially when your team is missing 2 of its top players, you should want to make the other team waste some energy on defense.

[Onus]

Last night was a great game to figure out who should Golden State continue to move forward with and who not to move forward with. With Curry and Butler out, the opportunity was there for players to step up and show they can do more. I don't really care about the role-players and I don't expect them to be able to step up offensively because they know who they are and are good with that... Melton, Green, Richard, Moody, Horford, Post, GPII, Seth, TJD and Santos, this was more about Kuminga, Podz and Spencer. For the most part, Kuminga and Podz looked like they were in a light scrimmage while Spencer came out with some pride and wanted to prove he should be in the NBA (sometimes he plays over his head but that's way better than just going through the motions and he's at least consistent with his effort unlike others). Coaches seem to like players who are good AND have a good understanding what they're going to get from them on a nightly basis.

I get sometimes the ball doesn't go through the hoop for players, but you can make up for that by giving more effort on the defensive end. One play that really stood out was around 4:22 left in the 2nd quarter, Grimes notices he has Post on him, takes him out to the 3pt line, gives an upfake that Post bites on to give Grimes the ability to go by him, on the other side of the basket Kuminga is guarding Drumond with Melton somewhat helping, instead of Kuminga going to help stop the drive he just stands there and allows an uncontested layup to happen although Kuminga did fake like he was going to go for the block from the other side of the basket...

I get vets who have been in this league a long time just going with it's another game, but for less established players, this is where you can stand out, prove to your coach what you can do and I think Kuminga and Podz really showed who they were, and it sure wasn't a player you'd pay a decent amount of money for.

I also watched Podz grab an offensive rebound, run to the corner and just jack up a 3 that barely hit rim... no thought of running the offense, maybe making the other team work on defense, just throw up a shot and get back on defense, especially when your team is missing 2 of its top players, you should want to make the other team waste some energy on defense.

I'm ok with that shot by Podz. Usually whenever you get an offensive rebound or steal it's an extra possession and since you got it you can shoot it. Plus I personally want Podz to shoot more 3s since that's really the only way he can increase his value and be a threat on offense. Just wasn't going in last night. It's more upsetting when he's passing up open shots to dribble into the defense and then stops and does nothing with the advantage.

[AirP.]

Last night was a great game to figure out who should Golden State continue to move forward with and who not to move forward with. With Curry and Butler out, the opportunity was there for players to step up and show they can do more. I don't really care about the role-players and I don't expect them to be able to step up offensively because they know who they are and are good with that... Melton, Green, Richard, Moody, Horford, Post, GPII, Seth, TJD and Santos, this was more about Kuminga, Podz and Spencer. For the most part, Kuminga and Podz looked like they were in a light scrimmage while Spencer came out with some pride and wanted to prove he should be in the NBA (sometimes he plays over his head but that's way better than just going through the motions and he's at least consistent with his effort unlike others). Coaches seem to like players who are good AND have a good understanding what they're going to get from them on a nightly basis.

I get sometimes the ball doesn't go through the hoop for players, but you can make up for that by giving more effort on the defensive end. One play that really stood out was around 4:22 left in the 2nd quarter, Grimes notices he has Post on him, takes him out to the 3pt line, gives an upfake that Post bites on to give Grimes the ability to go by him, on the other side of the basket Kuminga is guarding Drumond with Melton somewhat helping, instead of Kuminga going to help stop the drive he just stands there and allows an uncontested layup to happen although Kuminga did fake like he was going to go for the block from the other side of the basket...

I get vets who have been in this league a long time just going with it's another game, but for less established players, this is where you can stand out, prove to your coach what you can do and I think Kuminga and Podz really showed who they were, and it sure wasn't a player you'd pay a decent amount of money for.

I also watched Podz grab an offensive rebound, run to the corner and just jack up a 3 that barely hit rim... no thought of running the offense, maybe making the other team work on defense, just throw up a shot and get back on defense, especially when your team is missing 2 of its top players, you should want to make the other team waste some energy on defense.

I'm ok with that shot by Podz. Usually whenever you get an offensive rebound or steal it's an extra possession and since you got it you can shoot it. Plus I personally want Podz to shoot more 3s since that's really the only way he can increase his value and be a threat on offense. Just wasn't going in last night. It's more upsetting when he's passing up open shots to dribble into the defense and then stops and does nothing with the advantage.

An offensive rebound and running to the corner 3 and shooting doesn't seem like a "good" shot unless you're a knock down shooter which Podz isn't. Yes, he should take more catch and shoot 3s he has opportunities to take vs fake and then try to create... much like Hield should do too.

[EvanZ]

Biggest take away is that Melton should be our starting SG moving forward and really hinges on how many minutes he can play the rest of the year. By far our 4th best/most important player, but can he stay healthy?

He can't/won't stay healthy if he starts and closes games and plays more than 30 mpg. It's best that he comes off the bench, closes games and plays 20-25 mpg. And rests on b2bs. Have to treat him like Iguodala late career.

[vvoland]

Man these almost but not quite comebacks rip your heart out. Foolish me thought we were going to win when we went up 4 with 1:11 to go and all the momentum. Great game from Pat Spencer, glad Steve let him play the whole 4th.

Funny I'm still hearing Steve criticism when he indeed did play the hot hand. And on that last possession, we have literally nobody who can stay with Maxey, the solution wasn't on the bench. We lost by 1 point with no Jimmy/Steph and Draymond leaving but some folks still blame Steve even though he did ride the hot hand tonight... pretty funny.

Podz (-20) and JK (-18) rightfully on the bench to close, both had rough games. Podz especially, yikes.

I don’t have any tactical problems with Kerr today.

Kinda sad though that the team isn’t able to get one clean inbound on three tries.

I can't imagine anyone defending Kerr's lineup decisions on that last defensive possession. We need 1 stop and a rebound and he decides to put Al, Buddy, Richard, Melton, and Spencer on the court? Seriously?
Melton? Sure, even though Maxey owned him all night.
Big Al? Ok, with no Dray, he's likely our best rebounder.

Now what in the ever loving Fk was spencer doing on the court? He's clearly our worst defender (just short and slow, that's all).

Or buddy? Buddy decides to double late, has no impact on Maxey and, instead, Edgecomb, who buddy was 'guarding' is able to sneak in for the rebound. Not to say Buddy would have boxed out Edgecomb considering the massive disparity in quickness and hops but just watching maxey cook and not crashing back to the rim once he realized (if ever) that his late double was inconsequential sure made it easier for VJ. Kerr's belief that Buddy is a plus on the defensive end just completely boggles the mind. The fact that Spencer and Richard were out there with 2 OTHER GUARDS when we needed a stop and a rebound is mind-boggling.

Kerr has jumped the shark. These 4 guard lineups and his love affair with g-league talents is costing this team real wins. It would have been HUGE to get the W last night. Instead, he puts 3 negative defensive players on the floor in the biggest defensive possession of the game. AFTER a timeout. WTF?

Edit: I thought it would be an obvious defensive/rebounding lineup: Melton, Moody, JK, Al and either gui, podz, or richard as the 5th. Guess it was only obvious to me.

[Onus]

Man these almost but not quite comebacks rip your heart out. Foolish me thought we were going to win when we went up 4 with 1:11 to go and all the momentum. Great game from Pat Spencer, glad Steve let him play the whole 4th.

Funny I'm still hearing Steve criticism when he indeed did play the hot hand. And on that last possession, we have literally nobody who can stay with Maxey, the solution wasn't on the bench. We lost by 1 point with no Jimmy/Steph and Draymond leaving but some folks still blame Steve even though he did ride the hot hand tonight... pretty funny.

Podz (-20) and JK (-18) rightfully on the bench to close, both had rough games. Podz especially, yikes.

I don’t have any tactical problems with Kerr today.

Kinda sad though that the team isn’t able to get one clean inbound on three tries.

I can't imagine anyone defending Kerr's lineup decisions on that last defensive possession. We need 1 stop and a rebound and he decides to put Al, Buddy, Richard, Melton, and Spencer on the court? Seriously?
Melton? Sure, even though Maxey owned him all night.
Big Al? Ok, with no Dray, he's likely our best rebounder.

Now what in the ever loving Fk was spencer doing on the court? He's clearly our worst defender (just short and slow, that's all).

Or buddy? Buddy decides to double late, has no impact on Maxey and, instead, Edgecomb, who buddy was 'guarding' is able to sneak in for the rebound. Not to say Buddy would have boxed out Edgecomb considering the massive disparity in quickness and hops but just watching maxey cook and not crashing back to the rim once he realized (if ever) that his late double was inconsequential sure made it easier for VJ. Kerr's belief that Buddy is a plus on the defensive end just completely boggles the mind. The fact that Spencer and Richard were out there with 2 OTHER GUARDS when we needed a stop and a rebound is mind-boggling.

Kerr has jumped the shark. These 4 guard lineups and his love affair with g-league talents is costing this team real wins. It would have been HUGE to get the W last night. Instead, he puts 3 negative defensive players on the floor in the biggest defensive possession of the game. AFTER a timeout. WTF?

Edit: I thought it would be an obvious defensive/rebounding lineup: Melton, Moody, JK, Al and either gui, podz, or richard as the 5th. Guess it was only obvious to me.

Why would you add JK into a defensive lineup? Moody was getting cooked all night. Probably should've put in GP2 if anyone.

[TB]

When a game is “over” and the garbage time unit makes a crazy comeback that actually brings winning back in as an option… Kerr has ALWAYS kept that unit in to close the game. He’s been doing that for a decade. Every year this happens a handful of times and you can see that unit is absolutely gassed by the closing minutes but Kerr won’t go back to the starters that caused the deficit to begin with.

And I dont think it has anything to do with Kerr not “knowing” what the best defensive lineup or inbounding lineup would be…. he’s simply making a point that they got them there so they get a chance to close it.

[Onus]

When a game is “over” and the garbage time unit makes a crazy comeback that actually brings winning back in as an option… Kerr has ALWAYS kept that unit in to close the game. He’s been doing that for a decade. Every year this happens a handful of times and you can see that unit is absolutely gassed by the closing minutes but Kerr won’t go back to the starters that caused the deficit to begin with.

And I dont think it has anything to do with Kerr not “knowing” what the best defensive lineup or inbounding lineup would be…. he’s simply making a point that they got them there so they get a chance to close it.

And he keeps losing these games. Once again proving Kerr is more about making statements than winning games

[vvoland]

I don’t have any tactical problems with Kerr today.

Kinda sad though that the team isn’t able to get one clean inbound on three tries.

I can't imagine anyone defending Kerr's lineup decisions on that last defensive possession. We need 1 stop and a rebound and he decides to put Al, Buddy, Richard, Melton, and Spencer on the court? Seriously?
Melton? Sure, even though Maxey owned him all night.
Big Al? Ok, with no Dray, he's likely our best rebounder.

Now what in the ever loving Fk was spencer doing on the court? He's clearly our worst defender (just short and slow, that's all).

Or buddy? Buddy decides to double late, has no impact on Maxey and, instead, Edgecomb, who buddy was 'guarding' is able to sneak in for the rebound. Not to say Buddy would have boxed out Edgecomb considering the massive disparity in quickness and hops but just watching maxey cook and not crashing back to the rim once he realized (if ever) that his late double was inconsequential sure made it easier for VJ. Kerr's belief that Buddy is a plus on the defensive end just completely boggles the mind. The fact that Spencer and Richard were out there with 2 OTHER GUARDS when we needed a stop and a rebound is mind-boggling.

Kerr has jumped the shark. These 4 guard lineups and his love affair with g-league talents is costing this team real wins. It would have been HUGE to get the W last night. Instead, he puts 3 negative defensive players on the floor in the biggest defensive possession of the game. AFTER a timeout. WTF?

Edit: I thought it would be an obvious defensive/rebounding lineup: Melton, Moody, JK, Al and either gui, podz, or richard as the 5th. Guess it was only obvious to me.

Why would you add JK into a defensive lineup? Moody was getting cooked all night. Probably should've put in GP2 if anyone.

Because he's a better defender than richard or spencer. Despite JK's flaws, it's not particularly close. More importantly, he's the best rebounder on this team when Dray is not on the court. You don't think he could have gotten a hand on the rebound that Buddy didn't even go for?

Moody was getting cooked all night. So was spencer. Spencer has been getting cooked his entire career as he doesn't have the physical tools to play defense - no shade on pat. Playing Pat, Richard, AND Buddy next to melton and al in order to get a stop AND a rebound, is malpractice.

Agree on GP2, he should have been out there on that last possession. We didn't even need to secure a rebound, just not give up a wide open tip in. We'll have to agree to disagree that JK, GP2, and MM would have been far better at that job than Buddy, Spencer, and Richard turned out to be.