Game 24: Dubs @ Cavs, 2025-12-06, 4:30pm PT

[HiRez]

I watched the NBA TV broadcast. The Cavs announcers were making fun of the Dubs' "offense" in the first quarter -- "They just dribble around and pass to each other on the perimeter."

I mean that basically is the Steve Kerr offensive system for the last 15 years or whatever. Just spread the floor, pass pass pass, maybe throw in a screen or two, then shoot, turnover or clock violation.

[watch1958]

Patsanity

THAT is what an organized deliberate point guard looks like.

Hey Curry! Hey Draymond! F'ing take care of the ball!

On the postgame show they were saying “when the stars are out you can’t be throwing the ball away.”

Maybe you shouldn’t throw it away when the stars are playing.

[Ilovethebay]

So predictable. Now JK taking strays for having a good plus minus . The guy played good defense, rebounded well, and only had one TO and 3 assists. The only thing he was guilty of was missing all but one of his shots. Can’t wait to see him in another uniform when he can relax and just be himself. People here have short memories.
Just for giggles, take a look at his stat logs from last year and the previous year before that. On the months where he has averaged more than 30 minutes a game, his stats are really good. He was also very good vs Minnesota in the playoffs last year. Can’t wait to see THAT player doing that again in another uniform.

[DonaldSanders]

Great win! So glad our 2nd/3rd unit guys stole one, they really deserved to get one of these. And we needed it!

We gotta keep in mind that the Cavs were coming off a back to back though, tired legs showed in their poor shooting performance... but hey these are the ones you have to go and get.

Some takeaways from the last three games, and I don't know if Kerr or Dunleavy have identified it or will put it into action.

1.) The defense holds up better when Kerr is forced to play an actual center instead of Dray.
2.) Santos is proving we are better off playing a physical 6-8 forward at power forward than playing four guards, we matchup better.
3.) Pat Spencer has proven your point guard has to be a threat getting downhill or your offense can't function at a high level.

I am not even talking about counting stats. I am talking about can the guys you have on the floor physically do the positional task. Post/TJD/Santos/Spencer they are all backup caliber guys, not the peak of NBA individual talent but they can do the positional tasks. Post and TJD held up on drives even if the blocks aren't counted. Gui bodied up on defense and boxed out even if he had to let someone else get the rebound. Spencer got downhill and had the opposing defense scrambling and generated a lot of hockey assists.

Yeah some reasonable talking points you've brought up that hopefully the staff has discussions about.

1. The numbers when Post is out there over the season are really good, I think there is something to that. I don't know if his numbers are so good because Steve knows when to sit him, but I'd love to find out by just playing him more. He is definitely growing on defense, seeing him block Mobley and make things tough for him was awesome! Dray usually doesn't do very well vs. Mobley, not super surprising giving the size disparity. Dray is supposed to be a part time C at most anyway.

2. Yeah, makes me wonder about trading for Michael Porter Jr. who is a big risk, but has been playing absolutely on fire and probably doesn't have a big cost. For a team like us that needs a boost, might be worth a gamble. MPJ isn't as physical as Gui but he's tall enough to do a lot of similar things e.g. he is a similar rebounder. We really could use a tall efficient shooter, or just another physical PF who can score and do dirty work.

3. It's our biggest need along with shooting, having a quick player who forces the defense to react is huge.

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[Onus]

I watched the NBA TV broadcast. The Cavs announcers were making fun of the Dubs' "offense" in the first quarter -- "They just dribble around and pass to each other on the perimeter." Yup. They followed up a 10-point Q1 with a 12-point Q1. When was the last time anybody saw that?

Thank God it got better. Spencer played the game of his life. BTW: JK 1-10 tonight. Yikes.

Yea I heard that and meant to comment on that. We really were just passing it along the 3 point line and no one ever threatened to drive or even look at the rim. That's really why Pat is so good for our team. He's the only other person who can threaten the rim without turning the ball over other than jimmy and Steph.

[marthafokker]

That is why Kerr is not a coach. He just let high bbq players play. Can't coach or lazy to coach, don't know which is true.

And it again comes back to why he can't coach raw kids. JK is exactly that. He doesn't know how to play basketball... then complains why he is not doing what Kerr expects. Funny thing is, Kerr should order JK to do what JK was allowed to do as a rookie. Just rim runs. Instead, he is asked to do what is said.... pass the ball around on the perimeter. JK can't shoot outside that well. Hell... The Currys are the only ones on the team that can do that. Maybe Post a little. Moody is so inconsistent. Other than that basically no one. There is the problem. The players assembly and development.... and top that off with a coach that doesn't know how to use their players and set them up to succeed.

[bay2hk]

That is why Kerr is not a coach. He just let high bbq players play. Can't coach or lazy to coach, don't know which is true.

And it again comes back to why he can't coach raw kids. JK is exactly that. He doesn't know how to play basketball... then complains why he is not doing what Kerr expects. Funny thing is, Kerr should order JK to do what JK was allowed to do as a rookie. Just rim runs. Instead, he is asked to do what is said.... pass the ball around on the perimeter. JK can't shoot outside that well. Hell... The Currys are the only ones on the team that can do that. Maybe Post a little. Moody is so inconsistent. Other than that basically no one. There is the problem. The players assembly and development.... and top that off with a coach that doesn't know how to use their players and set them up to succeed.

JK is just not a good basketball player and he probably never will be. JK is 5th year in the league and he hasn’t developed any useful skills other than running and dunking. Kerr can’t do much with a low motor guy who refuse to listen.

[marthafokker]

That is why Kerr is not a coach. He just let high bbq players play. Can't coach or lazy to coach, don't know which is true.

And it again comes back to why he can't coach raw kids. JK is exactly that. He doesn't know how to play basketball... then complains why he is not doing what Kerr expects. Funny thing is, Kerr should order JK to do what JK was allowed to do as a rookie. Just rim runs. Instead, he is asked to do what is said.... pass the ball around on the perimeter. JK can't shoot outside that well. Hell... The Currys are the only ones on the team that can do that. Maybe Post a little. Moody is so inconsistent. Other than that basically no one. There is the problem. The players assembly and development.... and top that off with a coach that doesn't know how to use their players and set them up to succeed.

JK is just not a good basketball player and he probably never will be. JK is 5th year in the league and he hasn’t developed any useful skills other than running and dunking. Kerr can’t do much with a low motor guy who refuse to listen.

Or Kerr can't do anything but motion offense just passing the ball on the perimeter and shoot 3s. That is why most centers don't want to come here... even McGee rather go to Sacto and stink than coming back to the Dubs when he was the #1 free agent option by management.

[thunderdunk]

PS: Let's not forget that they almost turned the ball over on the in-bound again at the end. Maybe Kerr could quietly teach the bench guys an in-bound play or two? Like set a screen or two, and do a short pass to the open guy?

[bay2hk]

PS: Let's not forget that they almost turned the ball over on the in-bound again at the end. Maybe Kerr could quietly teach the bench guys an in-bound play or two? Like set a screen or two, and do a short pass to the open guy?

Maybe Kerr should hold their hands and take them to potty train in the bathroom. These are grown athlete who should take accountability for themselves. If they can’t do the basic stuff then they shouldn’t be in the league period.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

That is why Kerr is not a coach. He just let high bbq players play. Can't coach or lazy to coach, don't know which is true.

And it again comes back to why he can't coach raw kids. JK is exactly that. He doesn't know how to play basketball... then complains why he is not doing what Kerr expects. Funny thing is, Kerr should order JK to do what JK was allowed to do as a rookie. Just rim runs. Instead, he is asked to do what is said.... pass the ball around on the perimeter. JK can't shoot outside that well. Hell... The Currys are the only ones on the team that can do that. Maybe Post a little. Moody is so inconsistent. Other than that basically no one. There is the problem. The players assembly and development.... and top that off with a coach that doesn't know how to use their players and set them up to succeed.

JK is just not a good basketball player and he probably never will be. JK is 5th year in the league and he hasn’t developed any useful skills other than running and dunking. Kerr can’t do much with a low motor guy who refuse to listen.

Or Kerr can't do anything but motion offense just passing the ball on the perimeter and shoot 3s. That is why most centers don't want to come here... even McGee rather go to Sacto and stink than coming back to the Dubs when he was the #1 free agent option by management.

Do you seriously think our offense for the past few years has just been to pass the ball on the perimeter and shoot 3s? If so, I'm not sure there's much to discuss.

What we're doing so much of lately is what Eric Musselman used to call "Harry High School", and it is literally just passing the ball around the perimeter, repeatedly realizing nobody is open, until the shot clock is about to expire and someone takes a crappy shot. With no threatening inside out movement, that's what will keep happening.

I'm really glad we won. I'm really glad that some (legitimately) end of bench guys played above expectations and took advantage of the situation. But mostly I find it all troubling. Because if all we have is Curry, Butler, Draymond, and these end of bench guys, we're dead in the water. We might sneak into a play-in spot and lose. I do think Post is showing he's ready for a bigger role. I think Gui has shown that size matters, but I still don't expect him to be a major contributor regularly. It has been fun watching Spencer take advantage of the situation and step up. But I think on the heels of a win, it is easy to gloss over the fact that we had another catastrophic first quarter (on offense), and had multiple other stretches where we didn't score for minutes at a time. Steph, Jimmy, Draymond need more help than that. You can keep kicking Kuminga and Podz, and maybe they deserve it, but if the answer really is that they aren't any good, that is the end of the story. We're going nowhere. Our offense was really bad yesterday; the defense (and/or struggling Cleveland) just managed to win anyway.

[wco81]

Spencer is shooting 45.2/44.4 in 16 games, 15 MPG. These are all way over his career averages but still on way low volume.

Kerr saying Spencer is that **** is way too premature.

It's likely he's on a hot streak as opposed to leveling up at age 29 out of nowhere, though his brother is an elite shooter.

I still wouldn't trust him to make an open 3 when the team needs it. Not until he's sustained this over say 35-40 games or more.

[xdrta+]

Spencer is shooting 45.2/44.4 in 16 games, 15 MPG. These are all way over his career averages but still on way low volume.

Kerr saying Spencer is that **** is way too premature.

It's likely he's on a hot streak as opposed to leveling up at age 29 out of nowhere, though his brother is an elite shooter.

I still wouldn't trust him to make an open 3 when the team needs it. Not until he's sustained this over say 35-40 games or more.

Kerr was just repeating what Spencer said, kind of making fun of him (well, kidding him really) because Spencer twice yelled "I'm that motherf---er" to the crowd in Philadelphia when he made a three with about one minute left.

[floppymoose]

Kerr can get a win at Cleveland where he has to start NBA leftovers and that still wont be good enough.

[DonaldSanders]

Ya game ball goes to Steve and Pat, when you start a bunch of your guys that spend a lot of time in the G-League and win, the coaching was good. All the players clearly ready to play their part and be in the right spots.

Do you seriously think our offense for the past few years has just been to pass the ball on the perimeter and shoot 3s? If so, I'm not sure there's much to discuss.

Wild to me that Steve still gets this much hate after a win vs. a playoff team with a bunch of 2nd/3rd unit guys. And the minimization of what he did in 14-15 to take us from a middle of the pack offense to the #3 rated and a championship is...something.

I'm really glad we won. I'm really glad that some (legitimately) end of bench guys played above expectations and took advantage of the situation. But mostly I find it all troubling. Because if all we have is Curry, Butler, Draymond, and these end of bench guys, we're dead in the water. We might sneak into a play-in spot and lose. I do think Post is showing he's ready for a bigger role. I think Gui has shown that size matters, but I still don't expect him to be a major contributor regularly. It has been fun watching Spencer take advantage of the situation and step up. But I think on the heels of a win, it is easy to gloss over the fact that we had another catastrophic first quarter (on offense), and had multiple other stretches where we didn't score for minutes at a time. Steph, Jimmy, Draymond need more help than that. You can keep kicking Kuminga and Podz, and maybe they deserve it, but if the answer really is that they aren't any good, that is the end of the story. We're going nowhere. Our offense was really bad yesterday; the defense (and/or struggling Cleveland) just managed to win anyway.

This was a feel good win but we all watched the Cavs miss at least 6-8 wide open warm up shots. The Cavs were on a back to back and shot 24% from 3 and we shot 37% -- that was the difference. We were severely out matched from a talent perspective so we needed some help to get over the hump.

It's nice that Pat might be able to be our backup PG, it's something we haven't had... but it is still just a maybe, he will need to prove it was more than a hot streak. But even if he is legit, it's clear none of our 1st round picks have panned out to be great players. Moody is a good rotation guy, but we needed at least one guy to really become something. Post so far is the biggest bright spot, we really need his size -- it will be huge if his shot comes back.

It still seems pretty clear we're short some good shooting role players, I saw a graphic where our role players get extremely high shot quality but shoot extremely inefficiently (Meanwhile for Steph it was the exact opposite). The defense is good and the offense is creating good shots, but we just don't make them. Might as well give Cryer some run, he at least can shoot and get his own shot.

[superunknown]

JK is just not a good basketball player and he probably never will be. JK is 5th year in the league and he hasn’t developed any useful skills other than running and dunking. Kerr can’t do much with a low motor guy who refuse to listen.

Or Kerr can't do anything but motion offense just passing the ball on the perimeter and shoot 3s. That is why most centers don't want to come here... even McGee rather go to Sacto and stink than coming back to the Dubs when he was the #1 free agent option by management.

Do you seriously think our offense for the past few years has just been to pass the ball on the perimeter and shoot 3s? If so, I'm not sure there's much to discuss.

What we're doing so much of lately is what Eric Musselman used to call "Harry High School", and it is literally just passing the ball around the perimeter, repeatedly realizing nobody is open, until the shot clock is about to expire and someone takes a crappy shot. With no threatening inside out movement, that's what will keep happening.

I'm really glad we won. I'm really glad that some (legitimately) end of bench guys played above expectations and took advantage of the situation. But mostly I find it all troubling. Because if all we have is Curry, Butler, Draymond, and these end of bench guys, we're dead in the water. We might sneak into a play-in spot and lose. I do think Post is showing he's ready for a bigger role. I think Gui has shown that size matters, but I still don't expect him to be a major contributor regularly. It has been fun watching Spencer take advantage of the situation and step up. But I think on the heels of a win, it is easy to gloss over the fact that we had another catastrophic first quarter (on offense), and had multiple other stretches where we didn't score for minutes at a time. Steph, Jimmy, Draymond need more help than that. You can keep kicking Kuminga and Podz, and maybe they deserve it, but if the answer really is that they aren't any good, that is the end of the story. We're going nowhere. Our offense was really bad yesterday; the defense (and/or struggling Cleveland) just managed to win anyway.

that's what it is though. they are not any good. at least not for this team/system. it's pretty clear for kuminga, and podz is just a limited player in general.