is Klay done?

[KevinMcreynolds]

he's younger, cheaper, better in creating his own shot, better at attacking the rim, better at earning FTs, can be a second ball-handler, can be a second scoring option, in the 2021-2022 season was great, especially in the first round vs DEN. his D is unsalvageable? so is klay's at this stage of his career. everything else would've made more sense keeping him. klay is older, is done as a 20+ mins player and his body language stinks.
ofc after the punch incident JP couldn't stay, but an organization really 'light years ahead' would've kept him, traded klay, held green accountable for the punch and addressed the situation with him one way or the other. they s**t the bed big time on this.

He's not better at anything, if Klay wanted to uncontrollable drive into the lane and turn it over or miss a wild shot he probably could

Isn't that what Klay does currently?

yeah but that's considered JP's "strength"

[billinder33]

Has anyone noticed that when the game cameras cut away to Klay sitting on the bench, he is wearing these massive thigh-to-calf wraps on both legs?

I have no idea if these are ice or heat or electrical stimulation or some kind of massage device, but it's not something I recall seeing on any other active player waiting to re-enter a game.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Friedel guess:

Klay will be back at more than 2/48 (klay pride factor) and starting next year.

[watch1958]

Friedel guess:

Klay will be back at more than 2/48 (klay pride factor) and starting next year.

My guess is that unless they are really competitive postseason (like getting through at least two rounds and putting up a good fight before bowing out), there’s no way Lacob pays over 2/48.

As I’ve said before, I think they agreed to put 2/48 back on the table, in order to get Kerr back.

If they can’t go deep in the playoffs, I’d bet Lacob will be pissed about 2/48, and would be praying for Klay to hit the market.

[Onus]

Friedel guess:

Klay will be back at more than 2/48 (klay pride factor) and starting next year.

More than 2/48 no shot. That would be gross, basically just giving up the next 2 years. The only 2 years that will matter in the next 15.

[vvoland]

Friedel guess:

Klay will be back at more than 2/48 (klay pride factor) and starting next year.

More than 2/48 no shot. That would be gross, basically just giving up the next 2 years. The only 2 years that will matter in the next 15.

my guess?
3/48 with an option on year 3 (probably player, not team). If their offer before the season was 2/48 and then he goes out and has the decline he had, there's no chance they offer 2/48 again. The only thing Klay has going for him is that Kerr, Steph and Dray love him and want him back AND the warriors don't have cap space to replace him if he walks (best case would be the TPMLE or around 7M/yr, I would guess).

If Grayson Allen gets around 20m/yr, realistically, what is Klay's value? Can't be much lower, right? He already said he's willing to come in at a discount. I don't think he meant at a discount to the max.

[billinder33]

2/48 seems crazy.

I suggested 2/24 in another thread (or maybe this one several pages ago) and some posters went into a triggered rage.

[wco81]

Warriors win their 6th straight, blow out the Rockets.

But haters are so sad, Klay scores 29 points, 11-15 and 7-11 shooting, +20.

Oh but Curry was +29 and DRaymond +26!

Moody should start over Klay get his minutes, only +1 in a blowout win!

[cpower]

Warriors win their 6th straight, blow out the Rockets.

But haters are so sad, Klay scores 29 points, 11-15 and 7-11 shooting, +20.

Oh but Curry was +29 and DRaymond +26!

Moody should start over Klay get his minutes, only +1 in a blowout win!

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader
Klay -48 for the year

[floppymoose]

Klay had a strong game. It was a great time for it.

[wco81]

Warriors win their 6th straight, blow out the Rockets.

But haters are so sad, Klay scores 29 points, 11-15 and 7-11 shooting, +20.

Oh but Curry was +29 and DRaymond +26!

Moody should start over Klay get his minutes, only +1 in a blowout win!

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader
Klay -48 for the year

Your own link shows -28. Wiggins is -41.

But there is only this "is Klay done?" thread.

[cpower]

Warriors win their 6th straight, blow out the Rockets.

But haters are so sad, Klay scores 29 points, 11-15 and 7-11 shooting, +20.

Oh but Curry was +29 and DRaymond +26!

Moody should start over Klay get his minutes, only +1 in a blowout win!

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader
Klay -48 for the year

Your own link shows -28. Wiggins is -41.

But there is only this "is Klay done?" thread.

i dont know how you saw that but Klay is -48 , Wiggins is worse but consider he was -150 half of the season he has been playing good basketball since

[wco81]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader
Klay -48 for the year

Your own link shows -28. Wiggins is -41.

But there is only this "is Klay done?" thread.

i dont know how you saw that but Klay is -48 , Wiggins is worse but consider he was -150 half of the season he has been playing good basketball since

This is what I see:

44 38 15 25 68
Jerome Robinson Jerome Robinson 2023-24
GSWGSW
20 +31 3.7 1.3 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.2 0.1 0.5 1.6 29.0 0.1 0.9 11.8 0.3 0.5 60.0 73 26 6 5 0 3 2 5
Lester Quinones Lester Quinones 2023-24
GSWGSW
34 +21 11.0 4.4 2.1 1.0 0.2 0.1 0.5 1.5 3.7 40.2 0.9 2.4 37.5 0.5 0.8 66.7 373 150 70 33 6 2 16 41
Gui Santos Gui Santos 2023-24
GSWGSW
20 +13 7.9 3.4 2.2 0.6 0.2 0.1 0.4 1.1 2.2 50.0 0.5 1.1 40.9 0.7 0.8 93.3 158 67 44 11 3 2 7 19
Pat Spencer Pat Spencer 2023-24
GSWGSW
3 0 2.0 0.7 0.0 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 6 2 0 2 0 0 0 0
Usman Garuba Usman Garuba 2023-24
GSWGSW
3 -5 2.7 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 8 0 1 1 1 0 0 2
Cory Joseph Cory Joseph 2023-24
GSWGSW
26 -12 11.4 2.4 1.2 1.6 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.9 2.5 35.9 0.5 1.6 31.0 0.2 0.3 57.1 296 63 30 42 4 3 12 25
Dario Saric Dario Saric 2023-24
GSWGSW
62 -23 17.4 8.1 4.5 2.3 0.5 0.1 1.2 2.9 6.1 46.5 1.2 3.1 37.6 1.2 1.4 85.4 1,080 503 277 142 30 9 74 111
Kevon Looney Kevon Looney 2023-24
GSWGSW
69 -25 16.3 4.5 5.7 1.9 0.4 0.3 0.7 1.9 3.1 59.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.1 68.8 1,127 309 394 130 25 23 48 149
Klay Thompson Klay Thompson 2023-24
GSWGSW
72 -28 29.6 17.4 3.3 2.3 0.6 0.4 1.5 6.2 14.5 42.9 3.4 8.9 38.4 1.6 1.7 91.9 2,132 1,256 237 163 44 31 110 123
Andrew Wiggins Andrew Wiggins 2023-24
GSWGSW
67 -41 27.0 13.0 4.5 1.7 0.6 0.5 1.2 4.9 10.9 45.1 1.2 3.5 35.8 1.9 2.6 74.3 1,808 870 304

From your OWN link.

It's also on the bar chart.

Maybe it reflect's tonight's game and you've been looking at a stale link.

Oh but look, Robinson, Santos and Quinones all have positive +/- than Klay too.

Let's play them over Klay and Wiggins!

What a useless stat.

[michaelm]

Warriors win their 6th straight, blow out the Rockets.

But haters are so sad, Klay scores 29 points, 11-15 and 7-11 shooting, +20.

Oh but Curry was +29 and DRaymond +26!

Moody should start over Klay get his minutes, only +1 in a blowout win!

Everyone is happy to give him minutes when he shoots like he did tonight. The issues are that he does so less consistently than he did in his prime pre-injury when he was a great player period and one of the greatest GSW players ever, and that he can’t do the other side of things such as defend the opposition’s best guard as he did when he was in his prime.

Kerr had his detractors in 2022 as well, which didn’t include me then, but I am more than happy for him to prove the opinion of many including mine wrong if he can do so again, particularly if Klay continues doing what he did in this game consistently and Kerr proves he has just been bringing him along with perfect timing.

[cpower]

Your own link shows -28. Wiggins is -41.

But there is only this "is Klay done?" thread.

i dont know how you saw that but Klay is -48 , Wiggins is worse but consider he was -150 half of the season he has been playing good basketball since

This is what I see:

44 38 15 25 68
Jerome Robinson Jerome Robinson 2023-24
GSWGSW
20 +31 3.7 1.3 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.2 0.1 0.5 1.6 29.0 0.1 0.9 11.8 0.3 0.5 60.0 73 26 6 5 0 3 2 5
Lester Quinones Lester Quinones 2023-24
GSWGSW
34 +21 11.0 4.4 2.1 1.0 0.2 0.1 0.5 1.5 3.7 40.2 0.9 2.4 37.5 0.5 0.8 66.7 373 150 70 33 6 2 16 41
Gui Santos Gui Santos 2023-24
GSWGSW
20 +13 7.9 3.4 2.2 0.6 0.2 0.1 0.4 1.1 2.2 50.0 0.5 1.1 40.9 0.7 0.8 93.3 158 67 44 11 3 2 7 19
Pat Spencer Pat Spencer 2023-24
GSWGSW
3 0 2.0 0.7 0.0 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 6 2 0 2 0 0 0 0
Usman Garuba Usman Garuba 2023-24
GSWGSW
3 -5 2.7 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 8 0 1 1 1 0 0 2
Cory Joseph Cory Joseph 2023-24
GSWGSW
26 -12 11.4 2.4 1.2 1.6 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.9 2.5 35.9 0.5 1.6 31.0 0.2 0.3 57.1 296 63 30 42 4 3 12 25
Dario Saric Dario Saric 2023-24
GSWGSW
62 -23 17.4 8.1 4.5 2.3 0.5 0.1 1.2 2.9 6.1 46.5 1.2 3.1 37.6 1.2 1.4 85.4 1,080 503 277 142 30 9 74 111
Kevon Looney Kevon Looney 2023-24
GSWGSW
69 -25 16.3 4.5 5.7 1.9 0.4 0.3 0.7 1.9 3.1 59.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.1 68.8 1,127 309 394 130 25 23 48 149
Klay Thompson Klay Thompson 2023-24
GSWGSW
72 -28 29.6 17.4 3.3 2.3 0.6 0.4 1.5 6.2 14.5 42.9 3.4 8.9 38.4 1.6 1.7 91.9 2,132 1,256 237 163 44 31 110 123
Andrew Wiggins Andrew Wiggins 2023-24
GSWGSW
67 -41 27.0 13.0 4.5 1.7 0.6 0.5 1.2 4.9 10.9 45.1 1.2 3.5 35.8 1.9 2.6 74.3 1,808 870 304

From your OWN link.

It's also on the bar chart.

Maybe it reflect's tonight's game and you've been looking at a stale link.

Oh but look, Robinson, Santos and Quinones all have positive +/- than Klay too.

Let's play them over Klay and Wiggins!

What a useless stat.

yeah i am looking at a stale link, refreshing it updated it...but thats NOT how you look at it. Klay has been playing a lot of Curry and Green but his on off has been bad, reflecting what is happening when he is on

[Crazy-Canuck]

Klay stans are all in their emotions right now misinterpreting stats to make their case.

[killmongrel]

Klay stans are all in their emotions right now misinterpreting stats to make their case.

Klay has a good game against a middling team without probably their best player and the Klay simps go crazy.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Klay stans are all in their emotions right now misinterpreting stats to make their case.

Klay has a good game against a middling team without probably their best player and the Klay simps go crazy.

Klay was still the same player. He just made his shots. And when he makes shots like this, you can ignore his lack of defense, rebounding etc.. His shot making is worth it. The problem is when he isnt making shots at a high clip and getting 30+ minutes and closing games because he hurts the team more than any other player. But, this wasn't one of those games.

[killmongrel]

Klay stans are all in their emotions right now misinterpreting stats to make their case.

Klay has a good game against a middling team without probably their best player and the Klay simps go crazy.

Klay was still the same player. He just made his shots. And when he makes shots like this, you can ignore his lack of defense, rebounding etc.. His shot making is worth it. The problem is when he isnt making shots at a high clip and getting 30+ minutes and closing games because it hurts the team more than any other player. But, this wasn't one of those games.

Agreed.

[vvoland]

Klay has a good game against a middling team without probably their best player and the Klay simps go crazy.

Klay was still the same player. He just made his shots. And when he makes shots like this, you can ignore his lack of defense, rebounding etc.. His shot making is worth it. The problem is when he isnt making shots at a high clip and getting 30+ minutes and closing games because it hurts the team more than any other player. But, this wasn't one of those games.

Agreed.

His passing this season has been highly underrated. 4 assists today and would have had more if tjd wasn't fouled on the roll. Their two man game is really surprising to see. That's before I mention Klay's gravity opening up rim runs like that alley-oop from cp3 to tjd off the ghost screen.

There seems to be plenty to complain about with klay and/or how he's used. No need to be hyperbolic with it.

I think a big issue is how rigid the substitution patterns are. Today, for instance, klay was on fire to start the first; doesn't matter, to the bench at the 6 min mark. Same thing in the third. Didn't matter tonight but it's happened plenty this season and he wasn't able to find his rhythm again. Kerr used to be great at riding the hot hand and scrapping the pre-determined rotations if the situation demands it. It's been the opposite this year. Same with Steph or jk or wigs. He's done it with everybody