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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1021 » by FNQ » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:28 pm

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Dallas is now leaking that if Monta Ellis decides to opt in (8m), they will be dealing him. Goes to show how poisonous his attitude has become since being the humble rookie/soph we thought the world of. I wonder what lucky franchise will get this ring-less clone of DWade.

NO need to use this to put down Monta. The only reason they're doing this is because Monta wants to get paid more (feels he was on a bargain deal with thme) and the Mavs prefer to use this money to to go after a big name FA which if they were to give Monta what he's probably asking for this would hamstring that effort. If he would have opted in (his choice) then he probably would be playing with the Mavs again next season. Just like many teams this offseason, the Mavs are trying to get their ducks lined up for free agency.


That's crap turk.. they aren't saying they'd trade him if he opts in because Monta wants to get paid more - that doesn't make sense. They wanted him gone because of his bad attitude and style of play. Otherwise, they'd hope he opts-in and wouldn't leak to the media that they'd trade him if he does opt-in, to preserve trade value. Leaking that info had only one purpose: to let Monta know that he wasn't going to be a Maverick next year, period. And if they were so hellbent on clearing space, they'd be looking at dumping MAX contract Chandler Parsons. So money isn't the motivator, the player is. How many teams does he have to piss off before you admit this guy is toxic?
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1022 » by turk3d » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:47 pm

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Dallas is now leaking that if Monta Ellis decides to opt in (8m), they will be dealing him. Goes to show how poisonous his attitude has become since being the humble rookie/soph we thought the world of. I wonder what lucky franchise will get this ring-less clone of DWade.

NO need to use this to put down Monta. The only reason they're doing this is because Monta wants to get paid more (feels he was on a bargain deal with thme) and the Mavs prefer to use this money to to go after a big name FA which if they were to give Monta what he's probably asking for this would hamstring that effort. If he would have opted in (his choice) then he probably would be playing with the Mavs again next season. Just like many teams this offseason, the Mavs are trying to get their ducks lined up for free agency.


That's crap turk.. they aren't saying they'd trade him if he opts in because Monta wants to get paid more - that doesn't make sense. They wanted him gone because of his bad attitude and style of play. Otherwise, they'd hope he opts-in and wouldn't leak to the media that they'd trade him if he does opt-in, to preserve trade value. Leaking that info had only one purpose: to let Monta know that he wasn't going to be a Maverick next year, period. And if they were so hellbent on clearing space, they'd be looking at dumping MAX contract Chandler Parsons. So money isn't the motivator, the player is. How many teams does he have to piss off before you admit this guy is toxic?

Never let up off him will ya? He probably was the Mavs best player last year (as he was when he was with us) in spite of his "toxicity". He wants more money, that's why he's opting out (forget about the Mavs). Sure they could keep him if they wanted to, but they have higher priorities which they choose to spend it on. Cuban is pretty up front about things and he defended Monta with all that negativism he was receiving. If he thought he was so bad, he would have come out and said it. It's strictly business with him. Heck, he wouldn't even stick with Chandler this season. Was he toxic too?
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1023 » by BW32 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:48 pm

They were in the lottery before he came and if they sign DJ to a max contract they'll be in the lottery again when he leaves, book it.
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Post#1024 » by azwfan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:07 pm

Vonleh and Henderson for Batum. CHA clearing up room for David Lee?
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1025 » by FNQ » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:04 am

turk3d wrote:Never let up off him will ya? He probably was the Mavs best player last year (as he was when he was with us) in spite of his "toxicity". He wants more money, that's why he's opting out (forget about the Mavs). Sure they could keep him if they wanted to, but they have higher priorities which they choose to spend it on. Cuban is pretty up front about things and he defended Monta with all that negativism he was receiving. If he thought he was so bad, he would have come out and said it. It's strictly business with him. Heck, he wouldn't even stick with Chandler this season. Was he toxic too?


The fact that he can be considered their best player (he wasn't) and that they were leaking that they'd trade him if he opts in instead of using him as part of an effort to get better says all you need to know. There is no logical defense of that. Citing Chandler means nothing - he's a UFA. But again, when someone tells you that if you opt-in, they are trading you, they are saying one thing in no uncertain terms:




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Post#1026 » by 510TWSS » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:39 am

Yeah doesn't look like Monta was Dallas' best player last year. Just the most shot happy. Dirk in his down season was still more efficient and Parson is close to Monta in scoring per 36, but a ton more efficient.

Monta was just aight' last year.
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Post#1027 » by Left*My*Heart » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:57 am

Mavis are hoping to sign Aldridge.


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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1028 » by turk3d » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:42 am

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turk3d wrote:Never let up off him will ya? He probably was the Mavs best player last year (as he was when he was with us) in spite of his "toxicity". He wants more money, that's why he's opting out (forget about the Mavs). Sure they could keep him if they wanted to, but they have higher priorities which they choose to spend it on. Cuban is pretty up front about things and he defended Monta with all that negativism he was receiving. If he thought he was so bad, he would have come out and said it. It's strictly business with him. Heck, he wouldn't even stick with Chandler this season. Was he toxic too?


The fact that he can be considered their best player (he wasn't) and that they were leaking that they'd trade him if he opts in instead of using him as part of an effort to get better says all you need to know. There is no logical defense of that. Citing Chandler means nothing - he's a UFA. But again, when someone tells you that if you opt-in, they are trading you, they are saying one thing in no uncertain terms:

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I was monitoring the Mavs forum for the first half of the season and their were a lot of Mavs fans who were saying he was their best players. Everything changed when they brought in Rondo and then Parsons went down. As far a "leak" is concerned (whatever that means) you make it sound like gospel or something. I'm pretty sure that it was saying that he was going to opt out before your "leak".

I think it was after that the rumor came out that they might trade him. We "might" trade David Lee and we might not. Depends on who's willing (and since you say he's such a bad apple then maybe no one will) and it usually is for something you value, like say an "Andrew Bogut". Before I recognize that it's "no uncertain terms" I need to know who's saying it. A so-called "leak" just doesn't cut it for me.

Per Tim McMahon from ESPN (and BTW, I hadn't seen this until just now):

Ellis should not anticipate that raise coming from the Mavs, who would rather move on than make a major long-term investment in a one-dimensional player whose moodiness and selfishness negatively impacted the team’s chemistry last season, according to source’s with knowledge of the front office’s thought process.

It also didn’t help matters that Ellis and Parsons didn’t click off the court, an issue many within the organization suspect was influenced by Ellis’ bitterness about Parsons being paid almost twice as much as him.

If the Mavs sign LaMarcus Aldridge, their next top priority will be keeping Tyson Chandler. That would eat up the vast majority, if not all, of their remaining cap space, forcing the Mavs to fill their starting backcourt for next season in thrifty fashion.

If the Mavs sign DeAndre Jordan, they’d attempt to fill Ellis’ spot in the starting lineup with a bigger, better defender with the perimeter shooting ability to space the floor offensively. San Antonio’s Danny Green and Portland’s Wesley Matthews are the two best fits available in free agency this summer, although Matthews might not be ready to start the season as he recovers from a torn Achilles tendon.

This explains it I think, and I also think we both made valid points according to this article. Even with Monta's moodiness (there's quite a few players that I believe fall into this category) their talent is what keeps then employed and teams (and their management will likely overlook them).

One thing they won't do is give them an increase in pay in particular if they don't see them in their long range plans (the Mavs don't have any "extra" money to dole out this offseason). They intend to use whatever they have to make major changes,, hence no offers to Chandler or Rondo.

I still believe that if Monta wasn't asking for a new deal (and didn't opt out) there was a pretty good chance he would be coming back to Dallas for at least another year.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1029 » by Jester_ » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:41 pm

turk3d wrote:
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turk3d wrote:NO need to use this to put down Monta. The only reason they're doing this is because Monta wants to get paid more (feels he was on a bargain deal with thme) and the Mavs prefer to use this money to to go after a big name FA which if they were to give Monta what he's probably asking for this would hamstring that effort. If he would have opted in (his choice) then he probably would be playing with the Mavs again next season. Just like many teams this offseason, the Mavs are trying to get their ducks lined up for free agency.


That's crap turk.. they aren't saying they'd trade him if he opts in because Monta wants to get paid more - that doesn't make sense. They wanted him gone because of his bad attitude and style of play. Otherwise, they'd hope he opts-in and wouldn't leak to the media that they'd trade him if he does opt-in, to preserve trade value. Leaking that info had only one purpose: to let Monta know that he wasn't going to be a Maverick next year, period. And if they were so hellbent on clearing space, they'd be looking at dumping MAX contract Chandler Parsons. So money isn't the motivator, the player is. How many teams does he have to piss off before you admit this guy is toxic?

Never let up off him will ya? He probably was the Mavs best player last year (as he was when he was with us) in spite of his "toxicity". He wants more money, that's why he's opting out (forget about the Mavs). Sure they could keep him if they wanted to, but they have higher priorities which they choose to spend it on. Cuban is pretty up front about things and he defended Monta with all that negativism he was receiving. If he thought he was so bad, he would have come out and said it. It's strictly business with him. Heck, he wouldn't even stick with Chandler this season. Was he toxic too?


After all these years and a championship your Monta delusion is still alive and well... interesting.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#1030 » by turk3d » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:00 pm

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That's crap turk.. they aren't saying they'd trade him if he opts in because Monta wants to get paid more - that doesn't make sense. They wanted him gone because of his bad attitude and style of play. Otherwise, they'd hope he opts-in and wouldn't leak to the media that they'd trade him if he does opt-in, to preserve trade value. Leaking that info had only one purpose: to let Monta know that he wasn't going to be a Maverick next year, period. And if they were so hellbent on clearing space, they'd be looking at dumping MAX contract Chandler Parsons. So money isn't the motivator, the player is. How many teams does he have to piss off before you admit this guy is toxic?

Never let up off him will ya? He probably was the Mavs best player last year (as he was when he was with us) in spite of his "toxicity". He wants more money, that's why he's opting out (forget about the Mavs). Sure they could keep him if they wanted to, but they have higher priorities which they choose to spend it on. Cuban is pretty up front about things and he defended Monta with all that negativism he was receiving. If he thought he was so bad, he would have come out and said it. It's strictly business with him. Heck, he wouldn't even stick with Chandler this season. Was he toxic too?


After all these years and a championship your Monta delusion is still alive and well... interesting.

Monta got us Bogut. I never said that we shouldn't do that trade. I just objected to trading him for a bag of chips like many of the haterz were suggesting (similar to what they were doing with regards to Barnes for years). I just wanted good value for him which we got. Never heard one complaint about that trade from me after it was made. So not sure of exactly what delusion you're referring to.
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Post#1031 » by Jester_ » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:22 pm

turk3d wrote:
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turk3d wrote:Never let up off him will ya? He probably was the Mavs best player last year (as he was when he was with us) in spite of his "toxicity". He wants more money, that's why he's opting out (forget about the Mavs). Sure they could keep him if they wanted to, but they have higher priorities which they choose to spend it on. Cuban is pretty up front about things and he defended Monta with all that negativism he was receiving. If he thought he was so bad, he would have come out and said it. It's strictly business with him. Heck, he wouldn't even stick with Chandler this season. Was he toxic too?


After all these years and a championship your Monta delusion is still alive and well... interesting.

Monta got us Bogut. I never said that we shouldn't do that trade. I just objected to trading him for a bag of chips like many of the haterz were suggesting (similar to what they were doing with regards to Barnes for years). I just wanted good value for him which we got. Never heard one complaint about that trade from me after it was made. So not sure of exactly what delusion you're referring to.


I thought for sure you were against the trade... I know you were one of the people who were somewhat in support of the booing of Lacob.

But anyway, my point was more towards calling Monta the best guy on Dallas this year.
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Post#1032 » by turk3d » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:28 am

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After all these years and a championship your Monta delusion is still alive and well... interesting.

Monta got us Bogut. I never said that we shouldn't do that trade. I just objected to trading him for a bag of chips like many of the haterz were suggesting (similar to what they were doing with regards to Barnes for years). I just wanted good value for him which we got. Never heard one complaint about that trade from me after it was made. So not sure of exactly what delusion you're referring to.


I thought for sure you were against the trade... I know you were one of the people who were somewhat in support of the booing of Lacob.

But anyway, my point was more towards calling Monta the best guy on Dallas this year.

Actually no there too Jester (I wasn't on the booing Lacob bandwagon, that was plain stupid). I really liked Monta and appreciated what he did for us while here, but trading for Bogut, couldn't even begin to complain about it when it happened. The thing you could chide me for (if you wanted to) is with Curry. I had a hard time with all the accolades early on (which I never said he wouldn't be good), I just thought that it would take a while which it did to get to this point.

And as far as his upside goes, I'll admit I never thought he'd be this good (I had pegged him to maybe be as good as Nash from the first time I saw him in his first Summer League game) but never thought he'd be better (although I did say way back when, he could be Nash with better defense). I don't where you get the Lacob booing though.

As for Monta being the best player on Dallas, that came from a number of fans on the Dallas board. He and Dirk were playing really well together for a spell. Then again, being the "best" player on Dallas isn't necessarily saying that much, just as it wasn't saying all that much when he was the best player on the Warriors, lol.

I'd be shocked if there were any posts of mine where I said those things although anything is possible (maybe it was something else I was referring to, perhaps I may have said that I could see why people were complaining but I wasn't.
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Post#1035 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:29 pm

I think Houston crushed it with Dekker and Harrell....especially where they picked them. Huge substance for such late picks.

They just replaced Chandler parsons with Sam....and Montrez is a total beast of a pick for where he went.
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Post#1036 » by floppymoose » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:40 pm

Tobias Harris is really going to get 15 million a year? He's not even starter quality. He's an empty stats tweener with no defense.
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Post#1037 » by whocurrz » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:40 pm

I would be excited if I was a Knicks fan. That move showed they're looking for the home run even if they have to wait a bit longer and aren't going for the quick fix to appease fans like the Knicks always do. They went for a guy with the highest upside. The Hardaway for Jerian Grant move was a great one too. Getting a big guard who plays both sides of the floor for basically Nick Young. If Phil doesn't blow their capspace on overpaying mid tier FAs on long deals he is doing a good job.
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Post#1038 » by and1GS » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:12 pm

whocurrz wrote:I would be excited if I was a Knicks fan. That move showed they're looking for the home run even if they have to wait a bit longer and aren't going for the quick fix to appease fans like the Knicks always do. They went for a guy with the highest upside. The Hardaway for Jerian Grant move was a great one too. Getting a big guard who plays both sides of the floor for basically Nick Young. If Phil doesn't blow their capspace on overpaying mid tier FAs on long deals he is doing a good job.


IMO Mudiay has more upside and he's better right now. Phil is trying so damn hard to run the triangle in NY it's getting to be a bit weird.
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Post#1039 » by lars_rosenberg » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:32 pm

The Grant-Hardaway trade was great for the Knicks, but I'm not 100% sold on Porzingis.
I like the guy's attitude, he's intelligent and has work ethic, but bust potential is there.
Anyway, he didn't deserve the boos from the fans, that was a total shame.
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Post#1040 » by BW32 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:49 pm

It's the Knicks, they'll boo him going in and overrate the hell out of him first flashes he shows. Such is life in NY.

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