Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[wco81]

Mavs got Christian Wood for their FRP (#26) and a bunch of salary fillers.

Damn, Houston sold him cheap.

[and1GS]

Great deal for the Mavs. Wood really wore out his welcome in HOU and he's in the last year of his contract, so I get the low cost. But still, yeesh.

Love it for Dallas. Great, versatile scorer who can go 5 out or play clsoer to the hoop. He is absolute dog **** on defense though, but you're basically going from a total 0 in Dwight Powell to a fringe NBA starter. Big upgrade.

[wco81]

Houston is probably going to draft one of the big men so yeah they really don't need to keep Wood around.

[and1GS]

Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga and either Moody/Poole... for Porzingis, Brunson, Bullock.

1-5: Curry, Klay, Bullock, Draymond, Porzingis
6-10: Brunson, Poole, Otto, Bjelica, Looney

Despite GSW and Suns playing great, I think the Nets and Bucks are still better placed to win the title. So if GSW wants to stack the odds in their favor, I think this trade would make them favorites over the other teams. Just look at that starting 5 and depth. Porzingis is that rim protector GSW needs, who stretches the floor and can also cut to the rim. Brunson is a quality back-up PG for when Steph is sitting. Bullock covers most of what y'all lose in Wiggins.

What kind of stuff do you use? I really want to know…pl write it…

Did you drink and type dude? Never Realgm when you’re hammered.

Well, well, well... still want some of that stuff I'm using? Turns out Brunson, Bullock and Porinzigis could have been exactly what the doctor ordered for GSW... and that 10-man rotation (along with GP2) might have walked its way to the title, especially since the Bucks lost and the Nets imploded.

I see you’re drinking again, seek help, just say no.

Just checking - is this trade still on the table? I'm not sure we can win the title without a loser like Porzingis and Reggie **** Bullock.

[LAL1947]

Just checking - is this trade still on the table? I'm not sure we can win the title without a loser like Porzingis and Reggie **** Bullock

Haha! I probably should have waited to make that post because it looks like I ended up jinxing the Celtics.

You're welcome.

[clyde21]

i want to buy low on Jaden Springer from Philly. i'd do #28 for him if that's something Philly would be interested in. huge fan of his coming out of Tennessee.

[whatisacenter]

i want to buy low on Jaden Springer from Philly. i'd do #28 for him if that's something Philly would be interested in. huge fan of his coming out of Tennessee.

I liked him too but looking at his GLeague stats gives me pause. 24% from 3 and 65% on his FT's.

[lars_rosenberg]

It seems like the Kings are willing to trade the #4 for Poole.
I'm not sure it makes sense, with Fox and Mitchell already on the roster, but what would you do if it was a real offer?
My first reaction is no way, why give up a young player that panned out for an unknown that could be a bust?
Also, the #4 would have a higher salary than Poole. On the other hand it pushes the extension time-line a few years later, which may be good for the salary cap management.
#4 is probably going to be Jaden Ivey, a very athletic guard who's compared to Ja Morant. Intriguing prospect, but I think Poole probably fits better with Kerry's system.
Is there any prospect in this draft you would trade for Poole? What if Chet falls to #4?

[BayWarrior]

It seems like the Kings are willing to trade the #4 for Poole.
I'm not sure it makes sense, with Fox and Mitchell already on the roster, but what would you do if it was a real offer?
My first reaction is no way, why give up a young player that panned out for an unknown that could be a bust?
Also, the #4 would have a higher salary than Poole. On the other hand it pushes the extension time-line a few years later, which may be good for the salary cap management.
#4 is probably going to be Jaden Ivey, a very athletic guard who's compared to Ja Morant. Intriguing prospect, but I think Poole probably fits better with Kerry's system.
Is there any prospect in this draft you would trade for Poole? What if Chet falls to #4?

If it's a straight #4 for Poole, I'd pull the trigger and draft Jaden Ivey. If Ivey goes top 3 then any of the other top 3 Bigs would be just fine too. I think Poole in Sac is a perfect fit. GS Future Starting 5 - Ivey, Moody, Wiggins, Kuminga, Wiseman is more in the mold of the Memphis starting 5 than GS because Curry is built different and there isn't a player that will fill his role.

[wco81]

Poole hit some big 3s and baskets throughout the playoffs, including in the last 2-3 games of the Finals.

You hate to lose a good to very good 3P shooter and an elite FT shooter.

Yeah I understand the ceiling for someone like Ivey, able to attack the basket, create easy looks for others. But if he ends up shooting 27% from 3, it would be a disaster for the Warriors.

[FNQ]

It seems like the Kings are willing to trade the #4 for Poole.
I'm not sure it makes sense, with Fox and Mitchell already on the roster, but what would you do if it was a real offer?
My first reaction is no way, why give up a young player that panned out for an unknown that could be a bust?
Also, the #4 would have a higher salary than Poole. On the other hand it pushes the extension time-line a few years later, which may be good for the salary cap management.
#4 is probably going to be Jaden Ivey, a very athletic guard who's compared to Ja Morant. Intriguing prospect, but I think Poole probably fits better with Kerry's system.
Is there any prospect in this draft you would trade for Poole? What if Chet falls to #4?

If it's a straight #4 for Poole, I'd pull the trigger and draft Jaden Ivey. If Ivey goes top 3 then any of the other top 3 Bigs would be just fine too. I think Poole in Sac is a perfect fit. GS Future Starting 5 - Ivey, Moody, Wiggins, Kuminga, Wiseman is more in the mold of the Memphis starting 5 than GS because Curry is built different and there isn't a player that will fill his role.

YES
Poole's little run on defense to end the Finals not withstanding, he's a guy who's hard to trust in terms of making improvements as it relates to BBIQ. Work ethic is great, but mental growth is so important, and in 3 years its not really improved, and thats with one of the best environments in the NBA. Ivey possesses upside that Poole doesnt, and most importantly, saves us a ton of money going forward, which makes retaining Looney, GP2, and Wiggins a lot easier.

It's a no-brainer in that regard, because Ivey projects as someone who could step directly into Poole's role, possibly immediately. He has a lot of the same pros and cons. It would be a massive win if we could ship out Poole for the #4, but ironically only if the draft plays out the way we expect. If Ivey goes top 3 and we make the trade.. its a lot more problematic. Value-wise sure, you take Paolo (only real threat to drop to 4) over Poole, but the fit is clunky, and we now have a huge hole in terms of bench scoring and secondary handling

[wco81]

Poole shot 39.1% from 3 for the entire playoffs, on 5.8 attempts a game.

He shot 15/39 in the Finals or 38.5%.

Ivey shot 35.8% from the college 3 this past season, not so great in his first year at Purdue. It's possible he could get hot and shoot better from the NBA 3 in his rookie year but he shot 72.6 and 74.4% from the FT so he's not likely to be as efficient in the NBA, at least not right away.

Poole hit big shots beyond those end of quarter half court shots. Specifically 3s within the normal offense when the ball rotates to them because the Celtics closed out on Curry and others.

Can the team trust him in his rookie year to hit the open 3s frequently enough for a deep playoffs run? I'm not so sure.

He may eventually become that player with the reliable shot and hit a much higher ceiling than Poole ever will.

But in the next couple of seasons, when the Warriors aspire to win more titles, it would be a gamble to trade a player who actually delivered for a young player whom they hope can deliver in the immediate time frame.

[BayWarrior]

But in the next couple of seasons, when the Warriors aspire to win more titles, it would be a gamble to trade a player who actually delivered for a young player whom they hope can deliver in the immediate time frame.

Sorry shortening your post because while I agree with most of what you said, I also think you can't gamble on Poole being more than he is. Poole is a 6th man on GS who rightfully so thinks he his a starter. At Sac, he is a starter.

Ivey is a gamble but he is explosive and I think GS fans should not look for the next Curry for obvious reasons and use this run to prepare for the future. Poole, Wiggins and Looney's stock is very high right now. Around the NBA you know what Loony and Wiggins will give you but Poole is the unknown and I think capitalizing on that is what GS should do now. I may be wrong but will own it if I am. A Poole/Moody future backcourt just doesn't excite me as much as a Ivey/Moody back court does.

[wco81]

But in the next couple of seasons, when the Warriors aspire to win more titles, it would be a gamble to trade a player who actually delivered for a young player whom they hope can deliver in the immediate time frame.

Sorry shortening your post because while I agree with most of what you said, I also think you can't gamble on Poole being more than he is. Poole is a 6th man on GS who rightfully so thinks he his a starter. At Sac, he is a starter.

Ivey is a gamble but he is explosive and I think GS fans should not look for the next Curry for obvious reasons and use this run to prepare for the future. Poole, Wiggins and Looney's stock is very high right now. Around the NBA you know what Loony and Wiggins will give you but Poole is the unknown and I think capitalizing on that is what GS should do now. I may be wrong but will own it if I am. A Poole/Moody future backcourt just doesn't excite me as much as a Ivey/Moody back court does.

Sure but what does Ivey do for the Warriors next season and the season after that?

Is he likely to contribute as much as Poole, especially in the playoffs?

If he's so explosive that teams leave him open from the 3, maybe he hits a lot of big shots.

But I'm not sure in the next two seasons that Ivey will be effective outside of transition opportunities, where he pushes the ball to the other end for layups/dunks or he kicks the ball out for open 3s.

Is he going to be effective in the half court? Maybe if he develops fast, he finishes in the restricted zone at the level Ja did this season. But that's asking a lot out of him as a rookie or even a second year player.

[tarantism]

It seems like the Kings are willing to trade the #4 for Poole.
I'm not sure it makes sense, with Fox and Mitchell already on the roster, but what would you do if it was a real offer?
My first reaction is no way, why give up a young player that panned out for an unknown that could be a bust?
Also, the #4 would have a higher salary than Poole. On the other hand it pushes the extension time-line a few years later, which may be good for the salary cap management.
#4 is probably going to be Jaden Ivey, a very athletic guard who's compared to Ja Morant. Intriguing prospect, but I think Poole probably fits better with Kerry's system.
Is there any prospect in this draft you would trade for Poole? What if Chet falls to #4?

If it's a straight #4 for Poole, I'd pull the trigger and draft Jaden Ivey. If Ivey goes top 3 then any of the other top 3 Bigs would be just fine too. I think Poole in Sac is a perfect fit. GS Future Starting 5 - Ivey, Moody, Wiggins, Kuminga, Wiseman is more in the mold of the Memphis starting 5 than GS because Curry is built different and there isn't a player that will fill his role.

YES
Poole's little run on defense to end the Finals not withstanding, he's a guy who's hard to trust in terms of making improvements as it relates to BBIQ. Work ethic is great, but mental growth is so important, and in 3 years its not really improved, and thats with one of the best environments in the NBA. Ivey possesses upside that Poole doesnt, and most importantly, saves us a ton of money going forward, which makes retaining Looney, GP2, and Wiggins a lot easier.

It's a no-brainer in that regard, because Ivey projects as someone who could step directly into Poole's role, possibly immediately. He has a lot of the same pros and cons. It would be a massive win if we could ship out Poole for the #4, but ironically only if the draft plays out the way we expect. If Ivey goes top 3 and we make the trade.. its a lot more problematic. Value-wise sure, you take Paolo (only real threat to drop to 4) over Poole, but the fit is clunky, and we now have a huge hole in terms of bench scoring and secondary handling

I am far from a draft guy and I am not even sure I am into trading Poole but if this scenario works out and Ivey is gone, could we not realistically take Sochan as the heir apparent to Draymond at #4?

[FNQ]

If it's a straight #4 for Poole, I'd pull the trigger and draft Jaden Ivey. If Ivey goes top 3 then any of the other top 3 Bigs would be just fine too. I think Poole in Sac is a perfect fit. GS Future Starting 5 - Ivey, Moody, Wiggins, Kuminga, Wiseman is more in the mold of the Memphis starting 5 than GS because Curry is built different and there isn't a player that will fill his role.

YES
Poole's little run on defense to end the Finals not withstanding, he's a guy who's hard to trust in terms of making improvements as it relates to BBIQ. Work ethic is great, but mental growth is so important, and in 3 years its not really improved, and thats with one of the best environments in the NBA. Ivey possesses upside that Poole doesnt, and most importantly, saves us a ton of money going forward, which makes retaining Looney, GP2, and Wiggins a lot easier.

It's a no-brainer in that regard, because Ivey projects as someone who could step directly into Poole's role, possibly immediately. He has a lot of the same pros and cons. It would be a massive win if we could ship out Poole for the #4, but ironically only if the draft plays out the way we expect. If Ivey goes top 3 and we make the trade.. its a lot more problematic. Value-wise sure, you take Paolo (only real threat to drop to 4) over Poole, but the fit is clunky, and we now have a huge hole in terms of bench scoring and secondary handling

I am far from a draft guy and I am not even sure I am into trading Poole but if this scenario works out and Ivey is gone, could we not realistically take Sochan as the heir apparent to Draymond at #4?

I think we could trade down and try and grab Sochan in that case, I wouldnt take him 4th.. especially since it means one of Jabari, Chet or Paolo has fallen to 4, and I'm sure some team would be willing to give a future 1st to move up for one of them. Like I think the Wizards or Knicks at 10/11 would be willing to give us a 2023 1st, lightly protected (top 3?), and we'd still be in position for Sochan. And I wouldn't hate that, but we'd also be creating a *huge* hole at the backup guard position.

I'd be a lot more interested in trying to trade Wiseman for a mid-1st if Sochan falls to his projected 14-18 range. But I do love the potential he has there. He's a bit aggressive and will probably be a fouling machine to start his career, but he could be a Draymond-esque C for us

[BayWarrior]

But in the next couple of seasons, when the Warriors aspire to win more titles, it would be a gamble to trade a player who actually delivered for a young player whom they hope can deliver in the immediate time frame.

Sorry shortening your post because while I agree with most of what you said, I also think you can't gamble on Poole being more than he is. Poole is a 6th man on GS who rightfully so thinks he his a starter. At Sac, he is a starter.

Ivey is a gamble but he is explosive and I think GS fans should not look for the next Curry for obvious reasons and use this run to prepare for the future. Poole, Wiggins and Looney's stock is very high right now. Around the NBA you know what Loony and Wiggins will give you but Poole is the unknown and I think capitalizing on that is what GS should do now. I may be wrong but will own it if I am. A Poole/Moody future backcourt just doesn't excite me as much as a Ivey/Moody back court does.

Sure but what does Ivey do for the Warriors next season and the season after that?

Is he likely to contribute as much as Poole, especially in the playoffs?

If he's so explosive that teams leave him open from the 3, maybe he hits a lot of big shots.

But I'm not sure in the next two seasons that Ivey will be effective outside of transition opportunities, where he pushes the ball to the other end for layups/dunks or he kicks the ball out for open 3s.

Is he going to be effective in the half court? Maybe if he develops fast, he finishes in the restricted zone at the level Ja did this season. But that's asking a lot out of him as a rookie or even a second year player.

I see more upside in Moody than Poole and think he makes a big leap next year whereas I see Poole as an improved player but as a 6th man which is a role I don't think he will embrace. Ivey is more NBA ready than Kuminga was last year. And lets be honest, Curry spreads the floor for everyone. Ivey is lightning fast, needs to work on his shot bit is very capable.

Comparing Poole and Ivey I'd say Poole is a better shooter. Ivey and Poole both excel at getting to the rim and scoring but I'd give Ivey the nod here on just pure explosiveness. Ivey also is absolutely a better defender. As a 2-way player I'd take Ivey long term even though Poole will be better than him next year.

[lars_rosenberg]

Maybe asking Poole what he prefers would be the best option: Hey Jordan, do you want to be the guy in Sacramento, potentially earning a max salary but risking to be a loser for life, or stay with the Warriors as the 6th man and keep winning?
If Poole is willing to stay in his role until he's good enough to replace Klay as a starter (probably 2023/4 season) I'd keep him. If he's going to create problems in the locker room because he wants more spotlight to get paid, then it's time to trade him.

[DevinVassell]

∆ You think Harry Barnes regrets his decision?

The bloke could stayed with his mates and the team that drafted him, possibly have four rings by now being part of a cohesive unit and forever etched in Warrior folk law. Instead, he chased the extra bucks and played basically his whole career on an inept backwater losing team.

Hope that extra big plasma on the wall made all the difference.

[WarFan]

∆ You think Harry Barnes regrets his decision?

The bloke could stayed with his mates and the team that drafted him, possibly have four rings by now being part of a cohesive unit and forever etched in Warrior folk law. Instead, he chased the extra bucks and played basically his whole career on an inept backwater losing team.

Hope that extra big plasma on the wall made all the difference.

What the hell are you talking about? He didn’t have a choice. They pulled his QO as soon as KD said yes.