Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[NW]

I think they'd need to stay under the 1st apron after the trade and I can't imagine how they'd do that without dumping more salary to a 3rd team. Maybe the cap experts will correct me here, but just getting under the 1st isn't enough. It's having to stay under it that makes it tough to do something like this unless the team is waaay under the 1st apron (in this case, by 15M or more).

I’d imagine getting Nick Richards and/or Royce O’Neal to Brooklyn would likely be part of any hypothetical trade

In this scenario, the suns ship out allen and dunn, to us, while sending oneal and richards to BKN, just to sign JK for 30M/yr? I mean, I'm a big JK fan but, that seems like a lot.

Probably the dream scenario, but the more realistic is GS doesn’t get Dunn, the Suns only ship one of those guys to Brooklyn and JK gets more in the line of $25 mil.

Though with Ishbia, I rule nothing out

[vvoland]

I’d imagine getting Nick Richards and/or Royce O’Neal to Brooklyn would likely be part of any hypothetical trade

In this scenario, the suns ship out allen and dunn, to us, while sending oneal and richards to BKN, just to sign JK for 30M/yr? I mean, I'm a big JK fan but, that seems like a lot.

Probably the dream scenario, but the more realistic is GS doesn’t get Dunn, the Suns only ship one of those guys to Brooklyn and JK gets more in the line of $25 mil.

Though with Ishbia, I rule nothing out

Not sure that money works but, even it does, you're offering me Grayson Allen at 17M/yr for JK at 25M? I'll pass. Fairly quickly, at that.

[xdrta+]

I think they'd need to stay under the 1st apron after the trade and I can't imagine how they'd do that without dumping more salary to a 3rd team.

Yeah, a hard-cap is for the entire season, no exceptions. By the way, already 20 teams are hard-capped, and another four are over the first apron. Factoring in the BYC, any S&T (except maybe BKN) will need at least a third team and probably more to complete.

EDIT: Ok, I'm having trouble counting. Final count.....18 teams hard-capped at the 1st Apron.....two teams at the 2nd Apron......six teams currently in the 1st Apron.

[NW]

In this scenario, the suns ship out allen and dunn, to us, while sending oneal and richards to BKN, just to sign JK for 30M/yr? I mean, I'm a big JK fan but, that seems like a lot.

Probably the dream scenario, but the more realistic is GS doesn’t get Dunn, the Suns only ship one of those guys to Brooklyn and JK gets more in the line of $25 mil.

Though with Ishbia, I rule nothing out

Not sure that money works but, even it does, you're offering me Grayson Allen at 17M/yr for JK at 25M? I'll pass. Fairly quickly, at that.

You’ll pass if you’re who? The Warriors? Agree to disagree I guess. The Kuminga ship has sailed imo

[vvoland]

Probably the dream scenario, but the more realistic is GS doesn’t get Dunn, the Suns only ship one of those guys to Brooklyn and JK gets more in the line of $25 mil.

Though with Ishbia, I rule nothing out

Not sure that money works but, even it does, you're offering me Grayson Allen at 17M/yr for JK at 25M? I'll pass. Fairly quickly, at that.

You’ll pass if you’re who? The Warriors? Agree to disagree I guess. The Kuminga ship has sailed imo

I'd rather take the devin carter poo poo platter. I'd rather play buddy than allen and grayson makes 17M, 18M, and 19.4 on a PO over the next 3 years. That's 35M and a 20M PO for Allen or a very similar contract for JK? Its a no brainer.

[NW]

Not sure that money works but, even it does, you're offering me Grayson Allen at 17M/yr for JK at 25M? I'll pass. Fairly quickly, at that.

You’ll pass if you’re who? The Warriors? Agree to disagree I guess. The Kuminga ship has sailed imo

I'd rather take the devin carter poo poo platter. I'd rather play buddy than allen and grayson makes 17M, 18M, and 19.4 on a PO over the next 3 years. That's 35M and a 20M PO for Allen or a very similar contract for JK? Its a no brainer.

IMO Allen, ahole that he is, would fit a role better than Kuminga does. This he’d play where JK wouldn’t. Better fit who would play more with the core guys is the no brainer for me

[vvoland]

You’ll pass if you’re who? The Warriors? Agree to disagree I guess. The Kuminga ship has sailed imo

I'd rather take the devin carter poo poo platter. I'd rather play buddy than allen and grayson makes 17M, 18M, and 19.4 on a PO over the next 3 years. That's 35M and a 20M PO for Allen or a very similar contract for JK? Its a no brainer.

IMO Allen, ahole that he is, would fit a role better than Kuminga does. This he’d play where JK wouldn’t. Better fit who would play more with the core guys is the no brainer for me

So you'd play him instead of Buddy or next to?

JK fits great with Steph/Dray, better than anyone last season not named buddy hield. I have no idea if Allen would outplay Buddy Hield for the bench shooter role and, if he doesn't, isn't he basically out of the rotation?

[NW]

I'd rather take the devin carter poo poo platter. I'd rather play buddy than allen and grayson makes 17M, 18M, and 19.4 on a PO over the next 3 years. That's 35M and a 20M PO for Allen or a very similar contract for JK? Its a no brainer.

IMO Allen, ahole that he is, would fit a role better than Kuminga does. This he’d play where JK wouldn’t. Better fit who would play more with the core guys is the no brainer for me

So you'd play him instead of Buddy or next to?

JK fits great with Steph/Dray, better than anyone last season not named buddy hield. I have no idea if Allen would outplay Buddy Hield for the bench shooter role and, if he doesn't, isn't he basically out of the rotation?

He don’t fit with Steph/Dray/Jimmy. Been established and more by Kerr. I think Allen would-probably more than Buddy most nights.

[vvoland]

IMO Allen, ahole that he is, would fit a role better than Kuminga does. This he’d play where JK wouldn’t. Better fit who would play more with the core guys is the no brainer for me

So you'd play him instead of Buddy or next to?

JK fits great with Steph/Dray, better than anyone last season not named buddy hield. I have no idea if Allen would outplay Buddy Hield for the bench shooter role and, if he doesn't, isn't he basically out of the rotation?

He don’t fit with Steph/Dray/Jimmy. Been established and more by Kerr. I think Allen would-probably more than Buddy most nights.

Because of a ten game sample late in the year when JK was coming back injury? OK.

Kerr also said JK didn't fit w/ Jimmy and, yet, when playing vs Minny, JK seemed to fit with Jimmy fine, which Kerr also admitted. Further, Kerr said he didn't have the runway to try and fit JK back into a lineup that was killing opponents when they needed every win they could manage. Kerr also said he'd be giving those 4 a lot of runway to start the 25-26 season.

How much you believe Steve and what he means by "a lot" and "runway" is up for debate.

[NW]

So you'd play him instead of Buddy or next to?

JK fits great with Steph/Dray, better than anyone last season not named buddy hield. I have no idea if Allen would outplay Buddy Hield for the bench shooter role and, if he doesn't, isn't he basically out of the rotation?

He don’t fit with Steph/Dray/Jimmy. Been established and more by Kerr. I think Allen would-probably more than Buddy most nights.

Because of a ten game sample late in the year when JK was coming back injury? OK.

Kerr also said JK didn't fit w/ Jimmy and, yet, when playing vs Minny, JK seemed to fit with Jimmy fine, which Kerr also admitted. Further, Kerr said he didn't have the runway to try and fit JK back into a lineup that was killing opponents when they needed every win they could manage. Kerr also said he'd be giving those 4 a lot of runway to start the 25-26 season.

How much you believe Steve and what he means by "a lot" and "runway" is up for debate.

Going to give someone of Kerr’s experience and stature the benefit of being able to see what he needed to in that time frame. In winning time, Kuminga wasn’t out there if the team was healthy. Kerr said he’d give it runway if he came back-which means if they pay him.

What choice does he have? Not play him and further kill his value. Kerr would play him with no choice. I’d rather give him a choice and move on from Kuminga

[vvoland]

He don’t fit with Steph/Dray/Jimmy. Been established and more by Kerr. I think Allen would-probably more than Buddy most nights.

Because of a ten game sample late in the year when JK was coming back injury? OK.

Kerr also said JK didn't fit w/ Jimmy and, yet, when playing vs Minny, JK seemed to fit with Jimmy fine, which Kerr also admitted. Further, Kerr said he didn't have the runway to try and fit JK back into a lineup that was killing opponents when they needed every win they could manage. Kerr also said he'd be giving those 4 a lot of runway to start the 25-26 season.

How much you believe Steve and what he means by "a lot" and "runway" is up for debate.

Going to give someone of Kerr’s experience and stature the benefit of being able to see what he needed to in that time frame. In winning time, Kuminga wasn’t out there if the team was healthy. Kerr said he’d give it runway if he came back-which means if they pay him.

What choice does he have? Not play him and further kill his value. Kerr would play him with no choice. I’d rather give him a choice and move on from Kuminga

Kerr has consistently shown us that he could care less about JK's role. He's played everyone but the ball boy over JK, and Moody, to be fair. I doubt he'll feel forced to play JK next season, if he doesn't work with the core 3.

Not sure why you would give kerr the benefit of the doubt when he, himself, has said, directly, that he didn't have the time/opportunity to work JK back into the lineup at the end of the season.

[NW]

Because of a ten game sample late in the year when JK was coming back injury? OK.

Kerr also said JK didn't fit w/ Jimmy and, yet, when playing vs Minny, JK seemed to fit with Jimmy fine, which Kerr also admitted. Further, Kerr said he didn't have the runway to try and fit JK back into a lineup that was killing opponents when they needed every win they could manage. Kerr also said he'd be giving those 4 a lot of runway to start the 25-26 season.

How much you believe Steve and what he means by "a lot" and "runway" is up for debate.

Going to give someone of Kerr’s experience and stature the benefit of being able to see what he needed to in that time frame. In winning time, Kuminga wasn’t out there if the team was healthy. Kerr said he’d give it runway if he came back-which means if they pay him.

What choice does he have? Not play him and further kill his value. Kerr would play him with no choice. I’d rather give him a choice and move on from Kuminga

Kerr has consistently shown us that he could care less about JK's role. He's played everyone but the ball boy over JK, and Moody, to be fair. I doubt he'll feel forced to play JK next season, if he doesn't work with the core 3.

Not sure why you would give kerr the benefit of the doubt when he, himself, has said, directly, that he didn't have the time/opportunity to work JK back into the lineup at the end of the season.

You think he’s doing that due to some inner hatred of Kuminga? It’s because he doesn’t do what is asked. It’s no grand effort to work Kuminga in if he focuses on the things that he’s been asked to for years, but he won’t. The only thing he wants to have in common with Shawn Marion is the desire to be the guy on a team. You think Kerr won’t be pressed to play him if he’s making $20 mil plus? Disagree

[TB]

Maybe Dun and team find the needle in the haystack S&T that is worth it, but at this point that seems like the most unlikely scenario (i’m talking about a Keon Ellis or Kispert or that level player that can be a legit rotation guy that fits).

But outside of that, I can’t see this front office throwing away the best offseason leverage teams have had on RFA’s that I can recall…. to what, provide Kuminga with a new team and Kerr with one less thing to think about while coaching?

So i’ll wait for the Sham bomb of that needle in haystack S&T win… but I think its about time for Kerr, Steph, Dray, Jimmy to sit down with Kuminga and fix this relationship. Dray takes one for the team and takes an Andre role off the bench to make this work, Kuminga take a 3/70 or 4/95 increasing AAV with opt outs, and lets go lock up Horford, Morris, Melton and Seth.

[Nvnervous45]

I want this kuminga saga to be over so we can sign hortford and melton and improve this team.

[EvanZ]

I want this kuminga saga to be over so we can sign hortford and melton and improve this team.

Jeez I"m glad someone finally said it.

[jg77]

I liked the Devin Carter deal if it was forreal. I'd rather play Carter real minutes than Melton.

[azwfan]

Going to give someone of Kerr’s experience and stature the benefit of being able to see what he needed to in that time frame. In winning time, Kuminga wasn’t out there if the team was healthy. Kerr said he’d give it runway if he came back-which means if they pay him.

What choice does he have? Not play him and further kill his value. Kerr would play him with no choice. I’d rather give him a choice and move on from Kuminga

Kerr has consistently shown us that he could care less about JK's role. He's played everyone but the ball boy over JK, and Moody, to be fair. I doubt he'll feel forced to play JK next season, if he doesn't work with the core 3.

Not sure why you would give kerr the benefit of the doubt when he, himself, has said, directly, that he didn't have the time/opportunity to work JK back into the lineup at the end of the season.

You think he’s doing that due to some inner hatred of Kuminga? It’s because he doesn’t do what is asked. It’s no grand effort to work Kuminga in if he focuses on the things that he’s been asked to for years, but he won’t. The only thing he wants to have in common with Shawn Marion is the desire to be the guy on a team. You think Kerr won’t be pressed to play him if he’s making $20 mil plus? Disagree

Irony of all the Shawn Marion talk is that Marion b’d and moaned about his role the whole time he was in Phoenix.

[TB]

I want this kuminga saga to be over so we can sign hortford and melton and improve this team.

Jeez I"m glad someone finally said it.

Yup. All avenues seem to have been exhausted. Time to go from zero moves to Kuminga, Horford, Morris, Melton, Seth. A team actually built around Steph/Jimmy/Dray that is much better than what we had last year.

[statsman]

I want this kuminga saga to be over so we can sign hortford and melton and improve this team.

Jeez I"m glad someone finally said it.

Yup. All avenues seem to have been exhausted. Time to go from zero moves to Kuminga, Horford, Morris, Melton, Seth. A team actually built around Steph/Jimmy/Dray that is much better than what we had last year.

We would be lucky to get more than one of the players I highlighted, and my guess is it would be the most injured one.

[TB]

Jeez I"m glad someone finally said it.

Yup. All avenues seem to have been exhausted. Time to go from zero moves to Kuminga, Horford, Morris, Melton, Seth. A team actually built around Steph/Jimmy/Dray that is much better than what we had last year.

We would be lucky to get more than one of the players I highlighted, and my guess is it would be the most injured one.

You are probably right, but because of the injury concerns you mentioned as well as our lack of backup PG play and POA defenders i’d take as many as we can get. So for me its 1 of the PGs (Morris or Payne but i’d pick Morris) and Melton for POA. And then it would be a luxury to have GP2 as Melton cover and Seth as Buddy cover.