2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Quazza]

The Warriors are doing their due diligence, but I think the Warriors will end up using the #2 to trade Andrew Wiggins as they need to shed his salary in order to get the pieces they need. The best deal so far that has been rumored is:

Warriors get: Myles Turner + TJ Warren
Pacers get: #2 pick + Andrew Wiggins

I think the Ws will realize that Covid-19 won’t allow them to make full use of Chase Center and be able to compete with Wiggins.

This will fill out the starting roster and give Draymond a break. Maybe he'll be able to get his legs and 3-pt shot back. It also allows the Ws to have Warren as sixth man. I just hope they will be able to keep the 2021 Minny draft pick.

If the Pacers were dumb enough to do this deal, the Warriors would end up with the best starting five in the NBA. Plus, they'd still have all their picks in next year's superior draft. It's too good to be true.

Steph
Klay
TJ Bubble
Draymond
Turner



Sheesh

[ChuckDurn]

Warren is a sf

He can play either backup SF or PF for the Warriors. With Wiggins gone, I see Eric Paschall at starting SF. The Warriors can go big with Myles Turner at C and moving Chriss, Looney, or Toscano-Anderson to backup PF.

What do you think? Will the Warriors become more flexible with adding Turner and Warren?

I'm not as sure if Ws trade the #2 pick + Wiggins to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson, #8 + Randle + Harkless?. I mean it may be too much for the Knicks.

Warren is strictly a SF and there is no way that Paschall is a SF, let alone a starting one.

Yeah, the latter part is pretty obvious to anybody who watches basketball.

Warren could play the 4 in a small-ball line-up, but he’s primarily a 3......

[Scoots1994]

I do agree wiseman and Edwards are the best athletes meaning they have the most potential.

Potential is more about the mind than the body.

Your body can limit your potential but your mind is what allows you to reach your potential.

And your mind can make an average body great. Jerry rice was too slow and too skinny and not explosive enough, but his drive was so extreme his mind forced his body to overcome.

There are a lot of stars far from the ideal body and there are a lot of "perfect" body players who are not even average players.

When both come together you end up with Michael Jordan and LeBron James.

[Little Digger]

I do agree wiseman and Edwards are the best athletes meaning they have the most potential.

With Wiseman I just don’t see it..They’ll never be calling him Air Wiseman and he’s not overly quick..

[tarantism]

I legitimately wouldn't be shocked with any of the top 4 prospects ending up in GSW, whether we stay put or trade down a few spots. Wiseman/Edwards/Ball/Advija all have strong cases for success with GSW which I think speaks highly of our core and culture here which still feels weird to say.

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[Little Digger]

I’d be absolutely shocked if the pick is Edwards..I wish you guys watched him play ..He’s a real sleeper

[Mylie10]

I do agree wiseman and Edwards are the best athletes meaning they have the most potential.

With Wiseman I just don’t see it..They’ll never be calling him Air Wiseman and he’s not overly quick..

He’s a great athlete, but expecting a 7’1” guy to move like a guard is asking a but much.

He may not ever be Anthony Davis, but he’ll be as athletic.

[Mylie10]

I’d be pissed if we take Avdija that high. Okoro is better, Vassell is better. P Will might be better. Okungwu is better.

Avdija is so over rated right now it’s crazy. He ain’t Doncic.

I’d probably prefer Ball over him, and I’m not a Ball guy.

[Onus]

Potential is more about the mind than the body.

Your body can limit your potential but your mind is what allows you to reach your potential.

And your mind can make an average body great. Jerry rice was too slow and too skinny and not explosive enough, but his drive was so extreme his mind forced his body to overcome.

There are a lot of stars far from the ideal body and there are a lot of "perfect" body players who are not even average players.

When both come together you end up with Michael Jordan and LeBron James.

Great so we agree. The 2 best players of all time were athletic marvels. Almost everyone in the top 10 were some type of athletic marvel in their time with a few exceptions. If you have a physical advantage that you can constantly rely on to create space or allows you to do things others can’t then your ceiling is higher. Whether you get to that ceiling is a different story but it does raise your potential.

Football is a completely different sport so I won’t respond to that.

[ChuckDurn]

I’d be pissed if we take Avdija that high. Okoro is better, Vassell is better. P Will might be better. Okungwu is better.

Avdija is so over rated right now it’s crazy. He ain’t Doncic.

I’d probably prefer Ball over him, and I’m not a Ball guy.

I pretty much agree. I’m a little nervous about the funky shot we saw from Vassell in that quickly-deleted video. Hoping that’s not something he’s really changing to, and that we can trust his stats, etc..... I’d have my board as the following:
1. Ball (purely to trade, not to be on the roster)
2. Wiseman
3. Edwards
4. Vassell
5. Okoro
6. Okongwu
7. Avdija
8. Williams
9. Toppin
10. Hayes
11. Haliburton

[Onus]

I do agree wiseman and Edwards are the best athletes meaning they have the most potential.

With Wiseman I just don’t see it..They’ll never be calling him Air Wiseman and he’s not overly quick..

It’s more so that he’s 7’1” with a 7’4” ws and he does run in a straight line very fast. I do question his lateral speed. If he continues to fill out his body he’ll be one of the biggest players in the nba. But yea I guess he’s not an elite athlete and it’s more about his physical measurements.

[Mylie10]

I’d be pissed if we take Avdija that high. Okoro is better, Vassell is better. P Will might be better. Okungwu is better.

Avdija is so over rated right now it’s crazy. He ain’t Doncic.

I’d probably prefer Ball over him, and I’m not a Ball guy.

I pretty much agree. I’m a little nervous about the funky shot we saw from Vassell in that quickly-deleted video. Hoping that’s not something he’s really changing to, and that we can trust his stats, etc..... I’d have my board as the following:
1. Ball (purely to trade, not to be on the roster)
2. Wiseman
3. Edwards
4. Vassell
5. Okoro
6. Okongwu
7. Avdija
8. Williams
9. Toppin
10. Hayes
11. Haliburton

I read that Vassell and his buddy were messing around at the end of practice. I used to play around with friends and shooting really high arcs from deep. So maybe that was all it was. I’m not worried about Vassell at all.

[Onus]

My big board for the warriors

Wiseman
Avdija
Vassell
Okoro
Okongwu
Halliburton
Edwards
Nesmith
Williams

[Little Digger]

I do agree wiseman and Edwards are the best athletes meaning they have the most potential.

With Wiseman I just don’t see it..They’ll never be calling him Air Wiseman and he’s not overly quick..

He’s a great athlete, but expecting a 7’1” guy to move like a guard is asking a but much.

He may not ever be Anthony Davis, but he’ll be as athletic.

dude you really think I’m dumb enough not to understand he’s a big man? On 2nd thought, I am dumb enough..Never mind.

[Little Digger]

According to m10 , we’re not supposed to compare Wiseman to the one stud he’s ever gone up against ..So I’m not going to say Wiseman played grounded, slow and soft in that game

I’d love to be wrong on the Wise man..The warriors draft him , then he becomes a cross between Nate Thurmond, Wilt Chamberlain and Andrew Bogut

[Little Digger]

My special edition weekend Top10 BIG BOARD

1. Okoro
2. Okoro
3. Okoro
4. Okoro
5. Okoro
6. Okoro
7. Okoro
8. Okoro
9. Okoro
10. Okoro


There’s nobody else I believe in ..I’m sure there’s other guys that will be very good..I just don’t know who they’ll be.

But if we pick and are stupid enough to pass on Okoro..at least go for a guy with major upside..to me LaMelo has the most of it..but he’s a huge roll of the dice ..

[ILOVEIT]

Question regarding the 2021 lottery pick from Wolves. On the Jump someone said the pick was unprotected???

Can you guys confirm it's protected top 3 then moves to following year unprotected if it lands in the top 3?

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Warriors.htm

Thank you sir...that's what I recall as well.

[ILOVEIT]

I guess the stink on Turner is "if he's so good why did he get beat out by Sabonis? I thought he lost his starting spot to Sabonis at some point?

[Onus]

I do agree wiseman and Edwards are the best athletes meaning they have the most potential.

With Wiseman I just don’t see it..They’ll never be calling him Air Wiseman and he’s not overly quick..

He’s a great athlete, but expecting a 7’1” guy to move like a guard is asking a but much.

He may not ever be Anthony Davis, but he’ll be as athletic.

He’ll never be as athletic as Davis laterally and that’s what makes ad special.

[DAWill1128]

Here are some interesting stats I gathered from the NBA Draft over the last 20 years dating back to 1999.

56% of guys chosen in the top 3 picks made an all-star/all-nba

55% of the time two or more all-star/all-nba players are chosen in the top 3

40% of the time an all-star/all-nba player is chosen 2nd overall

43% of guys chosen in the top 5 are all-star/all-nba players

20% of guys chosen 5-10 are all-star/all-nba

I know people are down on this draft and you have multiple reasons why. The top guy Wiseman only played 3 games. The 2nd best guy in his class Edwards didn’t play on a very good team. Ball and Deni who are probably 3rd and 4th played internationally outside of a lot of fans viewership. But maybe the biggest reason is not having the NCAA Tournament with highly competitive and highly televised do or die games. Curry is probably the greatest example of your stock rising during the tournament. Nobody knew Curry until it was to late for his opponents. Every year guys soar and if a lesser no name guy drops 20+ three games in a row people take notice.

Statistically your shot at getting an all-star when picking in the top 3 are pretty good. When trading into the 5-10 range that shot at a star player drops dramatically. If you are picking top 3 your franchise has to pull it together and pinpoint that guy(s), we just have to hope Bob and Co get that right.

Separate but still on topic, I think Deni fits perfectly offensively. I am just not sure Deni can guard anyone. Can Deni play good team defense? Yeah. But I don’t know who 2-4 he is checking on on one. I guess Deni defends the corner 3 guy? But I thought that Curry usually took that guy in the crunch. I am also assuming we get a defensive oriented wing somehow so I guess that means Deni would be the point forward with Lee/Poole/Bowman taking the point guard defensive assignment.

I guess the Mavs find a way to make it work with Luka playing with Seth Curry and Trey Burke. Kerr should watch Mavs film tape closely if we decide to go the Deni route. Like I was saying, Omri I had the relationships to plant that seed on Deni. I am a still a Wiseman guy.