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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1081 » by jason bourne » Sat Jan 4, 2020 8:48 am

azwfan wrote:
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azwfan wrote:Damion Jones spent 2 years in the Dleague (where he was injured for most of the 1st season) and one 1 season with the club. Then he WAS traded... equivalent to Evans getting dealt... this off season. Don't really see the Jones comparison.


This is what I was getting at, but not being traded like Damian Jones was. That came later. Jones was considered to be a future Warriors is what I was getting at. Thus, the Ws let JaVale McGee walk even though he was willing to take the minimum because he loved being a Warrior.

Look at what happened because the brass wanted to keep Jacob Evans so far. Ws lost Danuel House Jr. to the Rockets. Ws let Kendrick Nunn go before really giving him a chance. Now, we have Ky Bowman and they will let him go or trade him. He's not even a contract player. I don't think they'll even consider trading Jacob Evans.

At this point i'm not sure if you really just follow the team this loosely or this is some kind of jedi-mind-trick-troll-job you are attempting.

I'll bite regardless.
Evans was drafted in the summer of 2018 as a SG/SF. Both House (SF) and Nunn (SG) were in training camp with the final roster spots that season going to... drum roll please... Alfonzo McKinnie and <nobody>. Yes, the feared - open roster spot was more deserving than Nunn and House. Evans had nothing to do with it. And more to the point PG-of-the-future Evans wasn't a thing until we discovered he couldn't contribute at the NBA level as a SG/SF... that experiement started THIS summer (Nunn and House LONG gone). I hate it when facts get in the way of a good... or in this case a disjointed, nonsensical theory.


I can accept Ws drafting Evans as PG, SG, or SF in 2018. He was considered a versatile player but was further back in depth at SF b/c the Ws had KD, Iguodala, and McKinnie (cheap contract). At SG, the Ws had Klay and Damion. At PG was Steph, Shaun, McCaw, and Cook. Evans was touted as a versatile player, a nice defensive player, and 3-pt shooter. I think McCaw was the one touted as backup PG after Livingston then and could play some SG. The Ws also had Quinn Cook, but don't think he was really in their future plans as the year played out. The big deal was the Ws wanted to get younger and have players who were ready to play now. Evans wasn't in that camp as he was somebody they were going to develop like Jordan Poole this year. So while I agree Evans wasn't the main reason to not keep House, Nunn, and Boucher he was part of it b/c he was drafted as a FRP. The main reason was wanting ready-to-play players and still get younger. However, this line of thinking backfired on them as it is backfiring on them again this year. They lost JaVale. They're being forced to trade vets this year they would rather keep such as Burks and GRob and avoid repeater's lux taxes.

Thus, I think Chriss gets cut this month in order to help avoid the lux tax and get roster spots for Bowman and Lee, but Evans has moved into the backup PG position which was my main point. If both Burks and GRob get traded, then he moves into backup SG and SF position, too, but his main role is the backup PG position. If I were the Ws, I would try and trade Evans, but he's their guy over Bowman. If they had kept Nunn, then I think they would get rid of him before Evans. This is what I am trying to point out as the Ws thinking. If Nunn was around before the season, then he would be released before trading Evans if it came down to numbers. The same as Bowman, but a lot of fans think this won't be the case as they see both of them better than Evans at PG. It was similar with Damian Jones as they had him as their starting C despite not being very good.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1082 » by azwfan » Sat Jan 4, 2020 5:36 pm

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This is what I was getting at, but not being traded like Damian Jones was. That came later. Jones was considered to be a future Warriors is what I was getting at. Thus, the Ws let JaVale McGee walk even though he was willing to take the minimum because he loved being a Warrior.

Look at what happened because the brass wanted to keep Jacob Evans so far. Ws lost Danuel House Jr. to the Rockets. Ws let Kendrick Nunn go before really giving him a chance. Now, we have Ky Bowman and they will let him go or trade him. He's not even a contract player. I don't think they'll even consider trading Jacob Evans.

At this point i'm not sure if you really just follow the team this loosely or this is some kind of jedi-mind-trick-troll-job you are attempting.

I'll bite regardless.
Evans was drafted in the summer of 2018 as a SG/SF. Both House (SF) and Nunn (SG) were in training camp with the final roster spots that season going to... drum roll please... Alfonzo McKinnie and <nobody>. Yes, the feared - open roster spot was more deserving than Nunn and House. Evans had nothing to do with it. And more to the point PG-of-the-future Evans wasn't a thing until we discovered he couldn't contribute at the NBA level as a SG/SF... that experiement started THIS summer (Nunn and House LONG gone). I hate it when facts get in the way of a good... or in this case a disjointed, nonsensical theory.


I can accept Ws drafting Evans as PG, SG, or SF in 2018. He was considered a versatile player but was further back in depth at SF b/c the Ws had KD, Iguodala, and McKinnie (cheap contract). At SG, the Ws had Klay and Damion. At PG was Steph, Shaun, McCaw, and Cook. Evans was touted as a versatile player, a nice defensive player, and 3-pt shooter. I think McCaw was the one touted as backup PG after Livingston then and could play some SG. The Ws also had Quinn Cook, but don't think he was really in their future plans as the year played out. The big deal was the Ws wanted to get younger and have players who were ready to play now. Evans wasn't in that camp as he was somebody they were going to develop like Jordan Poole this year. So while I agree Evans wasn't the main reason to not keep House, Nunn, and Boucher he was part of it b/c he was drafted as a FRP. The main reason was wanting ready-to-play players and still get younger. However, this line of thinking backfired on them as it is backfiring on them again this year. They lost JaVale. They're being forced to trade vets this year they would rather keep such as Burks and GRob and avoid repeater's lux taxes.

Thus, I think Chriss gets cut this month in order to help avoid the lux tax and get roster spots for Bowman and Lee, but Evans has moved into the backup PG position which was my main point. If both Burks and GRob get traded, then he moves into backup SG and SF position, too, but his main role is the backup PG position. If I were the Ws, I would try and trade Evans, but he's their guy over Bowman. If they had kept Nunn, then I think they would get rid of him before Evans. This is what I am trying to point out as the Ws thinking. If Nunn was around before the season, then he would be released before trading Evans if it came down to numbers. The same as Bowman, but a lot of fans think this won't be the case as they see both of them better than Evans at PG. It was similar with Damian Jones as they had him as their starting C despite not being very good.


Once again, i think you are having your "story" create the facts for you.
There's a number of things wrong here...
1) McKinnie wasn't on the roster when Evans was drafted. McKinnie was a training camp invitee and made the team.
2) Damion was given a 2-way contract and didn't get assigned to the W's until later in the season. He was a non-factor in the drafting or outlook of Evans at the time of the draft.
3) McCaw was holding out and the Warriors were in a pissing contest with him. After the season started there was no thought he was going to actually be on the team (with McKinnie taking his roster spot and all).
4) Evans was in camp, and the Warriors expected him to contribute right away, that's why they drafted him. Bob Myers said as much and joked about how wrong he was.
5) Waiving Boucher has nothing to do with Evans. Plays different positions and there were plenty of roster spots if they wanted to keep him. He was waived right after the draft.
6) Kerr did not want JaVale. JaVale's playing time said as much. They did not lose him. They made the decision to spend money on Cousins and... we know how that turned out.
7) They are not trading vets to avoid repeater tax this year - unless they trade Looney - trading all low salary vets will not avoid repeater lux tax. If they trade vets its to make room to sign Bowman / Lee from their 2-way contracts. We are already at the roster minimum.

I think you need a different "inside" source if these were the rationale given for your thought. If your "insider" says Evans is the backup PG of the future (whoever heard of such a thing) but you are making up the rationale... i suggest going back to him/her and request some support... cause your supporting information is inaccurate.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1083 » by azwfan » Sat Jan 4, 2020 5:47 pm

To Philly:
Alec Burks

To Boston:
WCS

To GSW:
OKC 2020 top 20 protected 1st (else two 2nds)
MIL 2020 1st rd pick top 7 protected

This gets us another scrub to argue about next year (MIL 2020 1st) and future 2nd rd picks to get excited about and unite around in the future.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1084 » by Mylie10 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:46 pm

azwfan wrote:
jason bourne wrote:
azwfan wrote:At this point i'm not sure if you really just follow the team this loosely or this is some kind of jedi-mind-trick-troll-job you are attempting.

I'll bite regardless.
Evans was drafted in the summer of 2018 as a SG/SF. Both House (SF) and Nunn (SG) were in training camp with the final roster spots that season going to... drum roll please... Alfonzo McKinnie and <nobody>. Yes, the feared - open roster spot was more deserving than Nunn and House. Evans had nothing to do with it. And more to the point PG-of-the-future Evans wasn't a thing until we discovered he couldn't contribute at the NBA level as a SG/SF... that experiement started THIS summer (Nunn and House LONG gone). I hate it when facts get in the way of a good... or in this case a disjointed, nonsensical theory.


I can accept Ws drafting Evans as PG, SG, or SF in 2018. He was considered a versatile player but was further back in depth at SF b/c the Ws had KD, Iguodala, and McKinnie (cheap contract). At SG, the Ws had Klay and Damion. At PG was Steph, Shaun, McCaw, and Cook. Evans was touted as a versatile player, a nice defensive player, and 3-pt shooter. I think McCaw was the one touted as backup PG after Livingston then and could play some SG. The Ws also had Quinn Cook, but don't think he was really in their future plans as the year played out. The big deal was the Ws wanted to get younger and have players who were ready to play now. Evans wasn't in that camp as he was somebody they were going to develop like Jordan Poole this year. So while I agree Evans wasn't the main reason to not keep House, Nunn, and Boucher he was part of it b/c he was drafted as a FRP. The main reason was wanting ready-to-play players and still get younger. However, this line of thinking backfired on them as it is backfiring on them again this year. They lost JaVale. They're being forced to trade vets this year they would rather keep such as Burks and GRob and avoid repeater's lux taxes.

Thus, I think Chriss gets cut this month in order to help avoid the lux tax and get roster spots for Bowman and Lee, but Evans has moved into the backup PG position which was my main point. If both Burks and GRob get traded, then he moves into backup SG and SF position, too, but his main role is the backup PG position. If I were the Ws, I would try and trade Evans, but he's their guy over Bowman. If they had kept Nunn, then I think they would get rid of him before Evans. This is what I am trying to point out as the Ws thinking. If Nunn was around before the season, then he would be released before trading Evans if it came down to numbers. The same as Bowman, but a lot of fans think this won't be the case as they see both of them better than Evans at PG. It was similar with Damian Jones as they had him as their starting C despite not being very good.


Once again, i think you are having your "story" create the facts for you.
There's a number of things wrong here...
1) McKinnie wasn't on the roster when Evans was drafted. McKinnie was a training camp invitee and made the team.
2) Damion was given a 2-way contract and didn't get assigned to the W's until later in the season. He was a non-factor in the drafting or outlook of Evans at the time of the draft.
3) McCaw was holding out and the Warriors were in a pissing contest with him. After the season started there was no thought he was going to actually be on the team (with McKinnie taking his roster spot and all).
4) Evans was in camp, and the Warriors expected him to contribute right away, that's why they drafted him. Bob Myers said as much and joked about how wrong he was.
5) Waiving Boucher has nothing to do with Evans. Plays different positions and there were plenty of roster spots if they wanted to keep him. He was waived right after the draft.
6) Kerr did not want JaVale. JaVale's playing time said as much. They did not lose him. They made the decision to spend money on Cousins and... we know how that turned out.
7) They are not trading vets to avoid repeater tax this year - unless they trade Looney - trading all low salary vets will not avoid repeater lux tax. If they trade vets its to make room to sign Bowman / Lee from their 2-way contracts. We are already at the roster minimum.

I think you need a different "inside" source if these were the rationale given for your thought. If your "insider" says Evans is the backup PG of the future (whoever heard of such a thing) but you are making up the rationale... i suggest going back to him/her and request some support... cause your supporting information is inaccurate.


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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1085 » by jason bourne » Sun Jan 5, 2020 12:25 am

azwfan wrote:Once again, i think you are having your "story" create the facts for you.
There's a number of things wrong here...
1) McKinnie wasn't on the roster when Evans was drafted. McKinnie was a training camp invitee and made the team.
2) Damion was given a 2-way contract and didn't get assigned to the W's until later in the season. He was a non-factor in the drafting or outlook of Evans at the time of the draft.
3) McCaw was holding out and the Warriors were in a pissing contest with him. After the season started there was no thought he was going to actually be on the team (with McKinnie taking his roster spot and all).
4) Evans was in camp, and the Warriors expected him to contribute right away, that's why they drafted him. Bob Myers said as much and joked about how wrong he was.
5) Waiving Boucher has nothing to do with Evans. Plays different positions and there were plenty of roster spots if they wanted to keep him. He was waived right after the draft.
6) Kerr did not want JaVale. JaVale's playing time said as much. They did not lose him. They made the decision to spend money on Cousins and... we know how that turned out.
7) They are not trading vets to avoid repeater tax this year - unless they trade Looney - trading all low salary vets will not avoid repeater lux tax. If they trade vets its to make room to sign Bowman / Lee from their 2-way contracts. We are already at the roster minimum.

I think you need a different "inside" source if these were the rationale given for your thought. If your "insider" says Evans is the backup PG of the future (whoever heard of such a thing) but you are making up the rationale... i suggest going back to him/her and request some support... cause your supporting information is inaccurate.


I can understand the Evans hate as I'd like to see him traded, too, but the Ws want to keep him. They think Evans will help more when Burks is traded. Since both Curry and DLo are hurt, Evans will become the starting PG. If he can't handle it, then Bowman will be the one. What I don't get is why not just replace Bowman for Evans? Personally, I wish the Ws could keep Burks and GRob for next season, but with their two-way contracts and cap situation, especially avoiding the lux tax, this is not possible. Evans at PG is not something that fans understand because Bowman has played better than him. Why not give Bowman a chance over Evans? At least, this is what I think.

I agree with most fans that Bowman is better than Evans, but not the Warriors brass lol. This is the way it was with having Damian Jones as the starting C imo. Kerr was his main pimp, his spokesman and head coach.

Anyway, the above should take care of your #1 and 2 complaints. We'll disagree on GRob. As for #3 and McCaw, he was the guy the Ws were going to pay a hefty $10 M lux tax for. However, McCaw was being a selfish, two-faced bitch who wanted to become a free agent sooner than later. He didn't want to re-sign with the Warriors despite what they did for him. I agree with the rest of what you wrote.

I'll accept what you said about Myers and Evans even though I don't remember reading or hearing about what Myers said. Got a link? I'm not sure who was responsible for drafting Evans last year and Poole this season, but would like to know. If the brass thought these guys were ready to contribute, then they should be held accountable. Do you agree?

Waiving Boucher, Nunn, and House indirectly had to do with Evans being a FRP. They couldn't exactly waive Evans just like we can't waive Evans and Poole. Ws will still have to pay them; they got guarateed contracts per CBA. Derrickson has to other two-way along with Damion. The Ws could've waived Jordan Bell, McKinnie, and/or Jerebko instead. If Evans wasn't a FRP, then I think he would've been waived this season. With Nunn, my point was he would've been given more of a chance if the Ws didn't have their numbers problem. That said, I don't think the Ws liked Nunn's attitude when he was in camp and he had some domestic violence issues.

Huh? I said trading Burks is for converting the two-way contracts. The Ws hope to get at least a SRP back. Maybe the Ws will trade GRob for a pick, as well. I agree the Ws will release Chriss, and look to trade Looney, WCS, and more in order to avoid the repeater's lux tax.

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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1086 » by azwfan » Sun Jan 5, 2020 2:17 am

jason bourne wrote:I can understand the Evans hate as I'd like to see him traded, too, but the Ws want to keep him. They think Evans will help more when Burks is traded. Since both Curry and DLo are hurt, Evans will become the starting PG. If he can't handle it, then Bowman will be the one. What I don't get is why not just replace Bowman for Evans? Personally, I wish the Ws could keep Burks and GRob for next season, but with their two-way contracts and cap situation, especially avoiding the lux tax, this is not possible. Evans at PG is not something that fans understand because Bowman has played better than him. Why not give Bowman a chance over Evans? At least, this is what I think.

I'm okay with trying out Evans at PG. Not because i think he'll be good... just because I think that is only shot of being halfway decent. I'm guessing that's the Warriors view as well. Not that they are so high on him, but that... "Well he can't play SG or SF, too small for PF and C... lets see if he can play the point."

jason bourne wrote:I agree with most fans that Bowman is better than Evans, but not the Warriors brass lol. This is the way it was with having Damian Jones as the starting C imo. Kerr was his main pimp, his spokesman and head coach.


Reality doesn't back up what you are posting. In games where Evans and Bowman have both been healthy, Bowman has consistently* played more minutes (*i want to say ALWAYS, but I haven't looked it up, but i'm 95% sure it is ALWAYS). Bowman starts when DRussell is not playing. Bowman is averaging 22 mpg, while Evans is at 14. We haven't seen anything to indicate the Warriors prefer Evans to Bowman.

Jones was drafted to be a project center. Damian Jones got exactly 1 significant shot to be the C here. At the beginning of the 2018-19 season when Cousins was still recovering from his injury. He started for approximately 20ish games. I don't recall him getting another shot... and was traded in the off season at first opportunity. Developing a late round rookie in the Gleague for a year or 2 (especially one that was injured rookie season) does not seem out of the question or like he was being "pimped". I think they definitely liked him and had hopes for him and wanted to give him a shot (i even remember hearing Kerr tell Jones, "Next year will be your shot" (or something along those lines) while we were celebrating the 3rd title. So he got his shot, failed, and was shipped off. Don't see an Evans / Bowman correlation here (?).

jason bourne wrote:I'll accept what you said about Myers and Evans even though I don't remember reading or hearing about what Myers said. Got a link? I'm not sure who was responsible for drafting Evans last year and Poole this season, but would like to know. If the brass thought these guys were ready to contribute, then they should be held accountable. Do you agree?


I know I saw it in a video this season (or this offseason). May have been a draft related press conference with Myers. I don't really wanna look it up, but Myers comment was in the context of talking about evaluating players and he made fun of himself by saying, "its an imperfect science... Jacob Evans was supposed to be ready right away" (paraphrasing)
jason bourne wrote:Waiving Boucher, Nunn, and House indirectly had to do with Evans being a FRP. They couldn't exactly waive Evans just like we can't waive Evans and Poole. Ws will still have to pay them; they got guarateed contracts per CBA. Derrickson has to other two-way along with Damion. The Ws could've waived Jordan Bell, McKinnie, and/or Jerebko instead. If Evans wasn't a FRP, then I think he would've been waived this season. With Nunn, my point was he would've been given more of a chance if the Ws didn't have their numbers problem. That said, I don't think the Ws liked Nunn's attitude when he was in camp and he had some domestic violence issues.


Boucher has NOTHING to do with Evans. He was waived the day after the Warriors drafted Evans. Why would they waive Evans so quickly? This is not based in reality.
Nunn and House did not make the team out of camp. Once again, the last two roster spots went to McKinnie and <NOBODY> because we went into the year with an open roster spot. There was no numbers problem. Maybe you recall we ended up signing Bogut with that open roster spot towards the end of the season (cause Jones sucked, and we needed a decent backup).


jason bourne wrote:Huh? I said trading Burks is for converting the two-way contracts. The Ws hope to get at least a SRP back. Maybe the Ws will trade GRob for a pick, as well. I agree the Ws will release Chriss, and look to trade Looney, WCS, and more in order to avoid the repeater's lux tax.


jason bourne said in earlier post wrote:They're being forced to trade vets this year they would rather keep such as Burks and GRob and avoid repeater's lux taxes.

I've tried to read this from many different angles, and can't quite figure out how this means "for converting two-way contracts". Perhaps i was focused on the wrong sentence and this was regarding something else?

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Haha, TBH, i don't recall the exact reaction Mylie gave you, but the Smiley comment seemed super odd. Considering he's the subject of a thread on here, a number of people have commented on him in game threads, and he had played the past 3 games. But at any rate, hope you have better experiences in the future. Might wanna check in with that insider though. He/she may be either operating on old information, or overstating their information.
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Post#1087 » by Quazza » Mon Jan 6, 2020 2:41 am

Can we somehow get Dieng please ? Man he's been impressive filling in for KAT

right now he's sitting on 22 points, 13 boards, 6 assists, 4 blocks and 4 triples
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Post#1088 » by TB » Mon Jan 6, 2020 8:39 pm

Quazza wrote:Can we somehow get Dieng please ? Man he's been impressive filling in for KAT

right now he's sitting on 22 points, 13 boards, 6 assists, 4 blocks and 4 triples


I think if Steph was healthy there would be a little more possibility of a DLo to Wolves trade that brings back Covington, Dieng, and their first rounder.. considering thats 2 holes in our lineup that could instantly help a core of Steph/Dray.

But the urgency isn't there since we are in tank mode without Steph. That being said, i think RoCo/Dieng is kinda the fallback or basement of what DLo can bring the Warriors if a blockbuster isn't available and management determines Steph/DLo doesn't work.
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Post#1089 » by OptionZero » Tue Jan 7, 2020 12:53 am

Dario Saric just got benched (14, 4, and 6 min in last 3). He's a RFA this summer.

If PHIX just wants to dump him and still intends to try to win a few games this year, I wonder if they'd take Burks (would be their best backup guard) and WCS (mainly filler, but maybe they could use C if they are stupid enough to play Ayton/Baynes together)

Best case scenario he takes to Kerr's scheme and regains his 3P, we get his restricted rights to re-sign him in a depressed market. Worst case he still can't shoot and doesn't fit int; you just renounce him. No harm no foul

Saric is only 25 and half a season removed from being rotation worth for 3 years
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Post#1090 » by Coxy » Tue Jan 7, 2020 2:13 am

OptionZero wrote:Dario Saric just got benched (14, 4, and 6 min in last 3). He's a RFA this summer.

If PHIX just wants to dump him and still intends to try to win a few games this year, I wonder if they'd take Burks (would be their best backup guard) and WCS (mainly filler, but maybe they could use C if they are stupid enough to play Ayton/Baynes together)

Best case scenario he takes to Kerr's scheme and regains his 3P, we get his restricted rights to re-sign him in a depressed market. Worst case he still can't shoot and doesn't fit int; you just renounce him. No harm no foul

Saric is only 25 and half a season removed from being rotation worth for 3 years


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Post#1091 » by BballIntellect » Tue Jan 7, 2020 3:07 am

OptionZero wrote:Dario Saric just got benched (14, 4, and 6 min in last 3). He's a RFA this summer.

If PHIX just wants to dump him and still intends to try to win a few games this year, I wonder if they'd take Burks (would be their best backup guard) and WCS (mainly filler, but maybe they could use C if they are stupid enough to play Ayton/Baynes together)

Best case scenario he takes to Kerr's scheme and regains his 3P, we get his restricted rights to re-sign him in a depressed market. Worst case he still can't shoot and doesn't fit int; you just renounce him. No harm no foul

Saric is only 25 and half a season removed from being rotation worth for 3 years


Wow that's actually a great deal that would work for both teams. From our side, you have nothing to lose.

Burks and WCS probably won't be here next season anyways and see if Saric can be a future rotation player. I don't think he's quite starting caliber but I absolutely think he could be a rotation piece for a championship team. He'd be much better than a lot of players we had playing in the Finals last year.

If he's good, you have his bird rights and keep him. He shouldn't be too pricey to keep. If he's bad, you just let him walk.
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Post#1092 » by jason bourne » Tue Jan 7, 2020 6:20 am

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I didn't see the game due to spending time with my daughter visiting from school, but noticed Ky Bowman started tonight -3 and Evans -7 played less minutes than Burks. It sounds Evans played fugly tonight. Still, the Ws picked up Evans third year option on Halloween this year (ominous sign), so he's in the running for top backup PG next season haha.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1093 » by BayWarrior » Tue Jan 7, 2020 4:28 pm

jason bourne wrote:
azwfan wrote:...


I didn't see the game due to spending time with my daughter visiting from school, but noticed Ky Bowman started tonight -3 and Evans -7 played less minutes than Burks. It sounds Evans played fugly tonight. Still, the Ws picked up Evans third year option on Halloween this year (ominous sign), so he's in the running for top backup PG next season haha.

Except GS would trade Evans for a can of beans. He best value to GS is as a filler in a trade, his worst would be taking up a roster spot next year when we already have Poole to take that spot.
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Post#1094 » by jason bourne » Tue Jan 7, 2020 8:54 pm

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jason bourne wrote:
azwfan wrote:...


I didn't see the game due to spending time with my daughter visiting from school, but noticed Ky Bowman started tonight -3 and Evans -7 played less minutes than Burks. It sounds Evans played fugly tonight. Still, the Ws picked up Evans third year option on Halloween this year (ominous sign), so he's in the running for top backup PG next season haha.

Except GS would trade Evans for a can of beans. He best value to GS is as a filler in a trade, his worst would be taking up a roster spot next year when we already have Poole to take that spot.


Yours is a nice post. I agree. Like most of you, I am rooting for Bowman to make it and Jacob Evans as trade fodder.

However, Bowman has to make the team as Lee has taken the spot for waiving Chriss. Chriss is no big loss because of his mental problems. His Warriors history as has been the same as that of other teams.

"All season long the Golden State Warriors have been dancing with the hard cap that was imposed by the sign-and-trade for D’Angelo Russell. That restriction has meant that the Warriors are unable to use their 15th roster spot until early March. But the performances of their two-way players, Damion Lee and Ky Bowman, have forced their hand. One of the few bright spots in a miserable, tanking season, the Warriors have had to find a way to keep Lee on the roster.

For the last few weeks various trade rumors have circled veterans like Alec Burks, Willie Cauley-Stein and Glenn Robinson III. But instead the Warriors have surprisingly chosen to waive 22-year-old Marquese Chriss, who had been one of their more promising young big men. So why have gone down this route?

The math is clear

The Warriors had just under $375,000 left under the hard cap ($374,924 to be precise according to The Athletic’s John Hollinger) before waiving Chriss. This was not enough money to add another contract for the rest of the season. Lee, on the other hand, only had two days left on the 45-days that a two-way player is allowed to spend with their NBA team.

The move has created $1,236,685 of room under the hard cap according to EarlyBirdRights.com, enough to add Lee full-time to the roster. It’s a swap of a 22-year-old big man with promise for a 27-year-old wing who has performed well over the last couple of seasons for the Warriors."

I read this guy as one of the analysts. Don't agree with him about Chriss at all -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2020/01/07/the-golden-state-warriors-waive-marquese-chriss-and-add-damion-lee/#38842bac2c3d.

Unlike mylie10 who just has assertions and talks out of his rear end, I actually have sources and basis for my takes. At least, most of the rational posters understand that Burks is one to be traded (I think the good fans want to keep GRob and probably WCS for next season), but they fans and Warriors also want to shore up their future draft picks situation -- https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed. It appears GRob is on the trading block, too -- https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Golden-State-Warriors/9/Home.
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Post#1095 » by Commodor » Tue Jan 7, 2020 11:08 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.
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Post#1096 » by Coxy » Wed Jan 8, 2020 3:18 am

Commodor wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.


That offer would likely have to include trading the Lakers a young and healthy Wilt Chamberlain and Rick Barry, plus 75 x 1st round picks.
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Post#1097 » by Commodor » Wed Jan 8, 2020 4:25 pm

Coxy wrote:
Commodor wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.


That offer would likely have to include trading the Lakers a young and healthy Wilt Chamberlain and Rick Barry, plus 75 x 1st round picks.


Because that's what Brooklyn got from us for KD?
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Post#1098 » by clyde21 » Wed Jan 8, 2020 8:49 pm

Commodor wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.


you're not serious are you?

first of all this is expected because Davis will sign a 2+1 in the off-season, two you think Lakers will give Davis up for just DLo/Looney after what they gave up to get him? lol.

let's try to keep this realistic.
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Post#1099 » by Commodor » Wed Jan 8, 2020 8:57 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Commodor wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.


you're not serious are you?

first of all this is expected because Davis will sign a 2+1 in the off-season, two you think Lakers will give Davis up for just DLo/Looney after what they gave up to get him? lol.

let's try to keep this realistic.


Outside of Lebron the Lakers have a bare cupboard of assets in the long term. If AD is on the way out regardless, why not? We just went through the same with KD. if AD wants GSW you think LAL would say no to assets in return?
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Post#1100 » by giberish » Wed Jan 8, 2020 9:29 pm

Commodor wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Commodor wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.


you're not serious are you?

first of all this is expected because Davis will sign a 2+1 in the off-season, two you think Lakers will give Davis up for just DLo/Looney after what they gave up to get him? lol.

let's try to keep this realistic.


Outside of Lebron the Lakers have a bare cupboard of assets in the long term. If AD is on the way out regardless, why not? We just went through the same with KD. if AD wants GSW you think LAL would say no to assets in return?


KD could sign outright with the Nets on a 35% max as a UFA.

GS couldn't even offer full MLE money to Davis as a FA.

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