2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Little Digger]

Edwards didn’t play on a very good team? They got their butts handed to them night after night playing against 6’2 future insurance salesmen..

A lot of that losing had to do with how lazy Edwards played in 90% of the games..same reason his high school teams were terrible

[Onus]

Here are some interesting stats I gathered from the NBA Draft over the last 20 years dating back to 1999.

56% of guys chosen in the top 3 picks made an all-star/all-nba

55% of the time two or more all-star/all-nba players are chosen in the top 3

40% of the time an all-star/all-nba player is chosen 2nd overall

43% of guys chosen in the top 5 are all-star/all-nba players

20% of guys chosen 5-10 are all-star/all-nba

I know people are down on this draft and you have multiple reasons why. The top guy Wiseman only played 3 games. The 2nd best guy in his class Edwards didn’t play on a very good team. Ball and Deni who are probably 3rd and 4th played internationally outside of a lot of fans viewership. But maybe the biggest reason is not having the NCAA Tournament with highly competitive and highly televised do or die games. Curry is probably the greatest example of your stock rising during the tournament. Nobody knew Curry until it was to late for his opponents. Every year guys soar and if a lesser no name guy drops 20+ three games in a row people take notice.

Statistically your shot at getting an all-star when picking in the top 3 are pretty good. When trading into the 5-10 range that shot at a star player drops dramatically. If you are picking top 3 your franchise has to pull it together and pinpoint that guy(s), we just have to hope Bob and Co get that right.

Separate but still on topic, I think Deni fits perfectly offensively. I am just not sure Deni can guard anyone. Can Deni play good team defense? Yeah. But I don’t know who 2-4 he is checking on on one. I guess Deni defends the corner 3 guy? But I thought that Curry usually took that guy in the crunch. I am also assuming we get a defensive oriented wing somehow so I guess that means Deni would be the point forward with Lee/Poole/Bowman taking the point guard defensive assignment.

I think Deni will be fine defensively. If you go on YouTube there’s a bunch of videos on his defense in isolation and post ups. He‘ll be a plus defensively. He can handle his own and ended up becoming his teams stopper. He can guard 1-5 pretty seamlessly.

[Little Digger]

Most fans in America can’t just watch players and judge them by the way they play..Instead they see white and black...or judge a guy off how his father acts...

So we compare Deni only to Doncic , Dun Jr and Galinari

I watched a lot of Advija on you tube..his defense is one of his strengths..so why all this on here? Hmmm

[azwfan]

Most fans in America can’t just watch players and judge them by the way they play..Instead they see white and black...or judge a guy off how his father acts...

So we compare Deni only to Doncic , Dun Jr and Galinari

I watched a lot of Advija on you tube..his defense is one of his strengths..so why all this on here? Hmmm

Agreed. Not sure why all those other posters do that. Personally, I think he’s more similar to Kukoc... oh wait!

[Little Digger]

On to all things
Ball
If you just watch LaMelo play and ignore everything else..You’d see a brilliant , unselfish and extremely tall PG..The downside is he doesn’t play defense and he shoots the ball as badly as JKidd did at Cal..

Huge upside but the possibility that he won’t ever shoot well or play decent D..I’d roll the dice and take him at 2 over everybody but Okoro..I see the possibility the warriors culture will win out and Ball becomes a monster for us

[wco81]

Which prospect can start immediately for Warriors?

Only one, isn't it?

Most of these guys are not starting over Klay, Curry, Draymond.

Not even over Wiggins.

[jason bourne]

Here are some interesting stats I gathered from the NBA Draft over the last 20 years dating back to 1999.

56% of guys chosen in the top 3 picks made an all-star/all-nba

55% of the time two or more all-star/all-nba players are chosen in the top 3

40% of the time an all-star/all-nba player is chosen 2nd overall

43% of guys chosen in the top 5 are all-star/all-nba players

20% of guys chosen 5-10 are all-star/all-nba

I know people are down on this draft and you have multiple reasons why. The top guy Wiseman only played 3 games. The 2nd best guy in his class Edwards didn’t play on a very good team. Ball and Deni who are probably 3rd and 4th played internationally outside of a lot of fans viewership. But maybe the biggest reason is not having the NCAA Tournament with highly competitive and highly televised do or die games. Curry is probably the greatest example of your stock rising during the tournament. Nobody knew Curry until it was to late for his opponents. Every year guys soar and if a lesser no name guy drops 20+ three games in a row people take notice.

Statistically your shot at getting an all-star when picking in the top 3 are pretty good. When trading into the 5-10 range that shot at a star player drops dramatically. If you are picking top 3 your franchise has to pull it together and pinpoint that guy(s), we just have to hope Bob and Co get that right.

Separate but still on topic, I think Deni fits perfectly offensively. I am just not sure Deni can guard anyone. Can Deni play good team defense? Yeah. But I don’t know who 2-4 he is checking on on one. I guess Deni defends the corner 3 guy? But I thought that Curry usually took that guy in the crunch. I am also assuming we get a defensive oriented wing somehow so I guess that means Deni would be the point forward with Lee/Poole/Bowman taking the point guard defensive assignment.

I guess the Mavs find a way to make it work with Luka playing with Seth Curry and Trey Burke. Kerr should watch Mavs film tape closely if we decide to go the Deni route. Like I was saying, Omri I had the relationships to plant that seed on Deni. I am a still a Wiseman guy.

There is usually a BUST candidate in the top 3, too.

It is top 3 consensus from the scouts, execs, and media evaluators for the guys at the top. It would be difficult to not pick from their choices as one could be passing up an All-Star or Superstar. Some drafts like having LeBron or AD would be easy. However, it's the drafts like the Andrew Wiggins or Anthony Bennet that stand out. In the latter, only Victor Oladipo was the All-Star and it had Giannis at #16. Wiggins' draft had Joel Embiid at #3. Jabari Parker is probably the bust. Wiggins isn't an All-Star, but he made ROY. Who knows at this point?

[DAWill1128]

Here are some interesting stats I gathered from the NBA Draft over the last 20 years dating back to 1999.

56% of guys chosen in the top 3 picks made an all-star/all-nba

55% of the time two or more all-star/all-nba players are chosen in the top 3

40% of the time an all-star/all-nba player is chosen 2nd overall

43% of guys chosen in the top 5 are all-star/all-nba players

20% of guys chosen 5-10 are all-star/all-nba

I know people are down on this draft and you have multiple reasons why. The top guy Wiseman only played 3 games. The 2nd best guy in his class Edwards didn’t play on a very good team. Ball and Deni who are probably 3rd and 4th played internationally outside of a lot of fans viewership. But maybe the biggest reason is not having the NCAA Tournament with highly competitive and highly televised do or die games. Curry is probably the greatest example of your stock rising during the tournament. Nobody knew Curry until it was to late for his opponents. Every year guys soar and if a lesser no name guy drops 20+ three games in a row people take notice.

Statistically your shot at getting an all-star when picking in the top 3 are pretty good. When trading into the 5-10 range that shot at a star player drops dramatically. If you are picking top 3 your franchise has to pull it together and pinpoint that guy(s), we just have to hope Bob and Co get that right.

Separate but still on topic, I think Deni fits perfectly offensively. I am just not sure Deni can guard anyone. Can Deni play good team defense? Yeah. But I don’t know who 2-4 he is checking on on one. I guess Deni defends the corner 3 guy? But I thought that Curry usually took that guy in the crunch. I am also assuming we get a defensive oriented wing somehow so I guess that means Deni would be the point forward with Lee/Poole/Bowman taking the point guard defensive assignment.

I guess the Mavs find a way to make it work with Luka playing with Seth Curry and Trey Burke. Kerr should watch Mavs film tape closely if we decide to go the Deni route. Like I was saying, Omri I had the relationships to plant that seed on Deni. I am a still a Wiseman guy.

There is usually a BUST candidate in the top 3, too.

It is top 3 consensus from the scouts, execs, and media evaluators for the guys at the top. It would be difficult to not pick from their choices as one could be passing up an All-Star or Superstar. Some drafts like having LeBron or AD would be easy. However, it's the drafts like the Andrew Wiggins or Anthony Bennet that stand out. In the latter, only Victor Oladipo was the All-Star and it had Giannis at #16. Wiggins' draft had Joel Embiid at #3. Jabari Parker is probably the bust. Wiggins isn't an All-Star, but he made ROY. Who knows at this point?

Yeah, it also doesn’t take into account unforeseen circumstances like the Oden and Jay Williams. I was just looking at the Dunleavy 3rd pick and thinking man what a bummer lol.

[whatisacenter]

3 players at the top of the draft and we pick second...I remember after the lottery Bob Myers saying, "you just have to like two".

Pretty good listen from Chad Ford
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/locked-on-sports/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast

[Hopper15]

Which prospect can start immediately for Warriors?

That shouldn't even be a consideration for who they draft.
Take the best long term prospect regardless of how "ready" he may be now. If you need a rookie of the year to contend, you're probably not a contender to begin with.

[Little Digger]

NBA Draft net has Wiseman going 9th

That’s as meaningless as the internet consensus view of the top tier

[jason bourne]

I guess the stink on Turner is "if he's so good why did he get beat out by Sabonis? I thought he lost his starting spot to Sabonis at some point?

No stink. Sabonis is the starting PF and Turner is the C. The Pacers just hired a new coach, so he wants to look at what kind of team he has. The Pacers are up-in-the-air for any trades right now.

We'll have to see when the new season starts. If the owners can get the players and execs to buy into an aggressive start like Dec. 22 because of making more money (what else?), then the NBA draft on Nov. 18, start of free agency on Dec. 1, and training camp before Dec 22 will make it difficult for teams.

Teams which are pretty much set will have the advantage better than teams trying to get impact players through the draft or free agency. I mean there would be less action due to being rushed at the start of the season. Thus, there is good chance of teams making their draft selections and playing them for showcasing during the season.

[Ilovethebay]

On to all things
Ball
If you just watch LaMelo play and ignore everything else..You’d see a brilliant , unselfish and extremely tall PG..The downside is he doesn’t play defense and he shoots the ball as badly as JKidd did at Cal..

Huge upside but the possibility that he won’t ever shoot well or play decent D..I’d roll the dice and take him at 2 over everybody but Okoro..I see the possibility the warriors culture will win out and Ball becomes a monster for us

Something is super strange about this guy. Despite his low fg% many share your feeling, including people who are paid to give their opinion. I keep researching this kid and I just can't get on board. If he tried a little harder on D and just got his fg% up a tick he would be perfect for the Warriors.

As great is Steph and Klay are, I never felt we could see the best of both of them unless they were on the floor with Dray AND Iggy. I get that same feeling with Lamelo because of the advanced way in which he sets his teammates up. If they take him I hope I'm wrong and guys like you are right.

[Little Digger]

I don’t know if Ball will ever be a decent defender...but he’s what? 19? Come on..writing a talent like him off as hopeless is beyond silly..it shows bias ..

He was skinny 18 year old kid playing down under against hardcore professionals and he put up 11-7-7 on limited minutes ..and even earned a JKidd comparison from Bogut ..He’s a major talent and a major risk..but you don’t think these other guys come with risk? Ha

[B-King]

On to all things
Ball
If you just watch LaMelo play and ignore everything else..You’d see a brilliant , unselfish and extremely tall PG..The downside is he doesn’t play defense and he shoots the ball as badly as JKidd did at Cal..

Huge upside but the possibility that he won’t ever shoot well or play decent D..I’d roll the dice and take him at 2 over everybody but Okoro..I see the possibility the warriors culture will win out and Ball becomes a monster for us

Something is super strange about this guy. Despite his low fg% many share your feeling, including people who are paid to give their opinion. I keep researching this kid and I just can't get on board. If he tried a little harder on D and just got his fg% up a tick he would be perfect for the Warriors.

As great is Steph and Klay are, I never felt we could see the best of both of them unless they were on the floor with Dray AND Iggy. I get that same feeling with Lamelo because the advance way in which he sets his teammates up. If they take him I hope I'm wrong and guys like you are right.

For me, it is the fear that the kid might have the same high opinion of his game that his father does. He has some huge gaps with the jump shot and defensive effort. Is he willing to put in the work or just blame his coach and team? His father has made him a quitter, never having to deal with adversity.

[Little Digger]

The father thing is just nuts..Lots of NBA legends had sh*t fathers..80% of men in America are at the very least, borderline ignorant pr*cks

What I love about both the Ball brothers, is their pure unselfishness on the court ..

[Onus]

Ball does have star potential. He has the handles and passing down. The major question is will he justify having the ball in his hands. His scoring is putrid and if he has the ball in his hands teams would be forcing him to shoot like Westbrook. I’m not sure I see anything in his game that says he’d be able to play off the ball, so either he’s going to be a solid player where he’s an avg scorer thinking Rajon rondo like game but without the defense or he becomes mcw and out of the league.

I know people say that if you can pass there’s always a place for you but ...

[GQ Hot Dog]

I think you can't appraise any of the prospects in a vacuum. You have to place them in the context of getting picked by our veteran laden, championship roster.

Which one has the temperament to deal with Kerr's uncompromising demands, having him break clipboards in their face?

Which one can rise to the challenge of Draymond barking in their face?

Which one will welcome the responsibility that comes with playing alongside Steph and Klay? Neither guy will demand the ball but you got to play with the understanding that those guys are better than you and you have to get them the ball.

Myers and Kerr have to talk to these guys and figure out which ones will be happy to come in as a roleplayer and which ones won't be happy unless they're the dominant player on the team that drafts them. That's key. If they get a kid that comes in and dribbles into a shot every time he touches the ball, Kerr won't play him, he'll get frustrated and we won't get anything short or long term from him.

[KJStark23]

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[Little Digger]

Never take Strauss seriously..He’ll say anything for a little attention