Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[clyde21]

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-anthony-davis-declines-lakers-extension-offer-195405367.html

Comeeeee on dubs. Convince AD to come north!

S&T Dlo&looney for contract purposes (or whatever is needed).

Boom dynasty.

you're not serious are you?

first of all this is expected because Davis will sign a 2+1 in the off-season, two you think Lakers will give Davis up for just DLo/Looney after what they gave up to get him? lol.

let's try to keep this realistic.

Outside of Lebron the Lakers have a bare cupboard of assets in the long term. If AD is on the way out regardless, why not? We just went through the same with KD. if AD wants GSW you think LAL would say no to assets in return?

we didn't go thru the same thing at all with KD, KD could've signed there, the only reason they pulled that trade was to get an extra 1st and give the DJ his contract and were gonna lose DLO regardless

it's not even remotely the same scenario.

[azwfan]

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I didn't see the game due to spending time with my daughter visiting from school, but noticed Ky Bowman started tonight -3 and Evans -7 played less minutes than Burks. It sounds Evans played fugly tonight. Still, the Ws picked up Evans third year option on Halloween this year (ominous sign), so he's in the running for top backup PG next season haha.

If this is the game I think it is I thought Evans actually played decently that game, while Bowman didn't look good. Having said that, my expectations for Evans is so low that if he's not making obviously boneheaded plays I think he's playing decent.

Of course Evans is in the running for a role next season, he has a guaranteed contract. That is not an indication of what the team thinks of him now... its an indication of what they thought of him on Oct 31st.

[jason bourne]

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I didn't see the game due to spending time with my daughter visiting from school, but noticed Ky Bowman started tonight -3 and Evans -7 played less minutes than Burks. It sounds Evans played fugly tonight. Still, the Ws picked up Evans third year option on Halloween this year (ominous sign), so he's in the running for top backup PG next season haha.

If this is the game I think it is I thought Evans actually played decently that game, while Bowman didn't look good. Having said that, my expectations for Evans is so low that if he's not making obviously boneheaded plays I think he's playing decent.

Of course Evans is in the running for a role next season, he has a guaranteed contract. That is not an indication of what the team thinks of him now... its an indication of what they thought of him on Oct 31st.

Okay, Evans has a good game every once in a while. To us fans, I think you'll agree Bowman is the one who should be developed like film by photographers who still have darkrooms (Jeez, this makes them sound almost creepy ). Bowman will still be going back to Santa Cruz. Evans will still be given a chance and he could still be cut in year 4 if one wants to plan these things. Instead, I rather see him traded, but not giving up a pick. What the Ws will do is continue their development plan for Evans whether we like it or not. It's one one of those things that we do not have control over like who they'll pick in the draft if they get the #1 pick lol.

[ahmetmekin]

What do you think about a Dlo+Green for Simmons+Horford trade? The warriors still keep the pick and can use it to get a Sf.

[BballIntellect]

What do you think about a Dlo+Green for Simmons+Horford trade? The warriors still keep the pick and can use it to get a Sf.

It's good for us but there's no way Philly does it. You have to give Philly incentive to do the trade and they'd have no incentive here.

[ILOVEIT]

What do you think about a Dlo+Green for Simmons+Horford trade? The warriors still keep the pick and can use it to get a Sf.

IMO, Simmons and Horford are both on the downside of their value for different reasons....Simmons is proving he can't shoot and he's a bit of a offensive liability....Hortford is long in the tooth.

I'd want more for that combination.

[jason bourne]

What do you think about a Dlo+Green for Simmons+Horford trade? The warriors still keep the pick and can use it to get a Sf.

It's good for us but there's no way Philly does it. You have to give Philly incentive to do the trade and they'd have no incentive here.

The Ws get Simmons as new PG or point forward. Philly needs a big man as Embiid is out indefinitely. I'd toss in WCS as sweetener. The Sixers are also interested in GRob -- https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/01/sixers-have-interest-in-robert-covington-other-players.html

[Coxy]

What do you think about a Dlo+Green for Simmons+Horford trade? The warriors still keep the pick and can use it to get a Sf.

Keep it simple, Dlo, WCS + 2020 1st for Simmons + 2020 1st, this off season so the salaries match.

[PLO]

With all due respect, there is no way the 76ers are trading Simmons to you guys, certainly not for DLo or any package thereof. You guys really have nothing that is valuable enough that you would be prepared to trade to get Simmons. It's just totally unrealistic so I would hold the horses on any speculation. Simmons would be an unreal fit with your team but its not happening.

[ChuckDurn]

What do you think about a Dlo+Green for Simmons+Horford trade? The warriors still keep the pick and can use it to get a Sf.

It's good for us but there's no way Philly does it. You have to give Philly incentive to do the trade and they'd have no incentive here.

Completely agreed. Simmons' defensive versatility and Horford's ability to shoot from range and move the ball (as well as defend terrifically) would be perfect next to Curry and Klay. I'd do this in a heartbeat, but there's no way Philadelphia would.

Despite his shooting "issues", Simmons is easily the best player in this deal.

[BballIntellect]

With all due respect, there is no way the 76ers are trading Simmons to you guys, certainly not for DLo or any package thereof. You guys really have nothing that is valuable enough that you would be prepared to trade to get Simmons. It's just totally unrealistic so I would hold the horses on any speculation. Simmons would be an unreal fit with your team but its not happening.

I don't think Philly is ready to trade Simmons yet but don't say we'd have nothing that's valuable to give them. We have Dlo who is only 23 years old and carried a rebuilding team to the playoffs just last year. He's not as good as Simmons but the fit with Embiid is better.

We'll most likely have a Top 5 pick this year and we have Paschall who is one of the best rookies in the league. We could even give Philly another first round pick down the line to incentivize the deal if they want to. We're talking about trading for Ben Simmons here. Not Giannis.

What do you think Ben Simmons trade value is?

[PLO]

With all due respect, there is no way the 76ers are trading Simmons to you guys, certainly not for DLo or any package thereof. You guys really have nothing that is valuable enough that you would be prepared to trade to get Simmons. It's just totally unrealistic so I would hold the horses on any speculation. Simmons would be an unreal fit with your team but its not happening.

I don't think Philly is ready to trade Simmons yet but don't say we'd have nothing that's valuable to give them. We have Dlo who is only 23 years old and carried a rebuilding team to the playoffs just last year. He's not as good as Simmons but the fit with Embiid is better.

We'll most likely have a Top 5 pick this year and we have Paschall who is one of the best rookies in the league. We could even give Philly another first round pick down the line to incentivize the deal if they want to. We're talking about trading for Ben Simmons here. Not Giannis.

What do you think Ben Simmons trade value is?

That's a really interesting question because I don't think there's any team out there with the capital to get him, this is especially so because of how bad this upcoming draft looks to be. This isn't to say he isn't untradeable, but I think the Sixers would only listen if another young star of a similar level was available: guys like DLo or Fox for example just aren't in that category.

[BballIntellect]

With all due respect, there is no way the 76ers are trading Simmons to you guys, certainly not for DLo or any package thereof. You guys really have nothing that is valuable enough that you would be prepared to trade to get Simmons. It's just totally unrealistic so I would hold the horses on any speculation. Simmons would be an unreal fit with your team but its not happening.

I don't think Philly is ready to trade Simmons yet but don't say we'd have nothing that's valuable to give them. We have Dlo who is only 23 years old and carried a rebuilding team to the playoffs just last year. He's not as good as Simmons but the fit with Embiid is better.

We'll most likely have a Top 5 pick this year and we have Paschall who is one of the best rookies in the league. We could even give Philly another first round pick down the line to incentivize the deal if they want to. We're talking about trading for Ben Simmons here. Not Giannis.

What do you think Ben Simmons trade value is?

That's a really interesting question because I don't think there's any team out there with the capital to get him, this is especially so because of how bad this upcoming draft looks to be. This isn't to say he isn't untradeable, but I think the Sixers would only listen if another young star of a similar level was available: guys like DLo or Fox for example just aren't in that category.

I'm curious to know who is in that category then.

[PLO]

I don't think Philly is ready to trade Simmons yet but don't say we'd have nothing that's valuable to give them. We have Dlo who is only 23 years old and carried a rebuilding team to the playoffs just last year. He's not as good as Simmons but the fit with Embiid is better.

We'll most likely have a Top 5 pick this year and we have Paschall who is one of the best rookies in the league. We could even give Philly another first round pick down the line to incentivize the deal if they want to. We're talking about trading for Ben Simmons here. Not Giannis.

What do you think Ben Simmons trade value is?

That's a really interesting question because I don't think there's any team out there with the capital to get him, this is especially so because of how bad this upcoming draft looks to be. This isn't to say he isn't untradeable, but I think the Sixers would only listen if another young star of a similar level was available: guys like DLo or Fox for example just aren't in that category.

I'm curious to know who is in that category then.

Probably no one, realistically. Simmons isn't on the same level as Doncic, offensively at least - maybe Zion when you consider the injuries? Just to be clear I had Zion above Simmons predraft as prospects. I think Simmons is probably equal to someone like KAT when you add up their overall value, but the 6ers would never trade Simmons for KAT, which is why I say realistically.

[wco81]

Its going to come down to how the Sixers do this year. If they don't at least make the ECF this year, they have to think about making changes.

Not saying they will but they're right in their window, though both Embiid and Simmons are young. Harris is older I believe.

This will be the third season of the Embiid-Simmons Sixers going into the playoffs. Again, very early in the careers of this core but they have high expectations.

If they're at least competitive in the ECF, no reason to make a big change. But if Simmons struggles to find his place, you'd think the front office would have to think about the fit.

[Coxy]

That's a really interesting question because I don't think there's any team out there with the capital to get him, this is especially so because of how bad this upcoming draft looks to be. This isn't to say he isn't untradeable, but I think the Sixers would only listen if another young star of a similar level was available: guys like DLo or Fox for example just aren't in that category.

I'm curious to know who is in that category then.

Probably no one, realistically. Simmons isn't on the same level as Doncic, offensively at least - maybe Zion when you consider the injuries? Just to be clear I had Zion above Simmons predraft as prospects. I think Simmons is probably equal to someone like KAT when you add up their overall value, but the 6ers would never trade Simmons for KAT, which is why I say realistically.

I find it really hard to guage Simmons value. I'm an Aussie, so maybe I'm a little more critical of him than most, but I don't see Ben being anymore valuable on court than what Andre Iguodala was during his peak years. Ben doesn't have any go to offense, however is exceptional in transition and has great vision, just like Andre was. Andre was a fantastic defender, Ben is as well. Ben and Andre had great vision and fit into a team aspect well. They are both great finishers at the rim. The big difference is that Andre did develop a credible 3 pnt shot (Which was widly up and down during his career), and Ben doesn't look like he'll ever have this in his game because he is so widly unorthidox, it's almost like his body confuses him. I also question Ben's dedication and motor to become more than this as well.

So, I see Simmons as a glue guy, not a go to franchise talent. Others, including the media, seem to think he's the 2nd coming of Lebron or something, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. However, the narrative is there, so any trades for Simmons I see that fans throw around here seem wild to me. I expect that Philly fans will want a giant return for Ben, and they'll probably get it, but I think the team trading for him could make a gigantic error by letting go of major assets to acquire him from an on court perspective. Just my 2c as an Aussie watching him from afar, with our home grown media keeping a very close eye on him at all times as well.

[azwfan]

I didn't see the game due to spending time with my daughter visiting from school, but noticed Ky Bowman started tonight -3 and Evans -7 played less minutes than Burks. It sounds Evans played fugly tonight. Still, the Ws picked up Evans third year option on Halloween this year (ominous sign), so he's in the running for top backup PG next season haha.

If this is the game I think it is I thought Evans actually played decently that game, while Bowman didn't look good. Having said that, my expectations for Evans is so low that if he's not making obviously boneheaded plays I think he's playing decent.

Of course Evans is in the running for a role next season, he has a guaranteed contract. That is not an indication of what the team thinks of him now... its an indication of what they thought of him on Oct 31st.

Okay, Evans has a good game every once in a while. To us fans, I think you'll agree Bowman is the one who should be developed like film by photographers who still have darkrooms (Jeez, this makes them sound almost creepy ). Bowman will still be going back to Santa Cruz. Evans will still be given a chance and he could still be cut in year 4 if one wants to plan these things. Instead, I rather see him traded, but not giving up a pick. What the Ws will do is continue their development plan for Evans whether we like it or not. It's one one of those things that we do not have control over like who they'll pick in the draft if they get the #1 pick lol.

Evans is so terrible, nobody will take him without some sort of compensation. So no, he won't be traded, but its not because the Warriors are so high on him... its because nobody is high enough to want him.

[BballIntellect]

I'm curious to know who is in that category then.

Probably no one, realistically. Simmons isn't on the same level as Doncic, offensively at least - maybe Zion when you consider the injuries? Just to be clear I had Zion above Simmons predraft as prospects. I think Simmons is probably equal to someone like KAT when you add up their overall value, but the 6ers would never trade Simmons for KAT, which is why I say realistically.

I find it really hard to guage Simmons value. I'm an Aussie, so maybe I'm a little more critical of him than most, but I don't see Ben being anymore valuable on court than what Andre Iguodala was during his peak years. Ben doesn't have any go to offense, however is exceptional in transition and has great vision, just like Andre was. Andre was a fantastic defender, Ben is as well. Ben and Andre had great vision and fit into a team aspect well. They are both great finishers at the rim. The big difference is that Andre did develop a credible 3 pnt shot (Which was widly up and down during his career), and Ben doesn't look like he'll ever have this in his game because he is so widly unorthidox, it's almost like his body confuses him. I also question Ben's dedication and motor to become more than this as well.

So, I see Simmons as a glue guy, not a go to franchise talent. Others, including the media, seem to think he's the 2nd coming of Lebron or something, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. However, the narrative is there, so any trades for Simmons I see that fans throw around here seem wild to me. I expect that Philly fans will want a giant return for Ben, and they'll probably get it, but I think the team trading for him could make a gigantic error by letting go of major assets to acquire him from an on court perspective. Just my 2c as an Aussie watching him from afar, with our home grown media keeping a very close eye on him at all times as well.

I'll respectfully disagree. Simmons already has the same amount of all star appearances as Iguodala and he's only in his third year. He's also a sure fire max contract player. Iguodala was never that. Even during his prime years Iggy never got close to getting a max contract.

It's debatable whether Simmons is worth the max (I think he is) but franchises around the NBA value him higher than they valued any version of Iggy.

Andre was a good passer but never elite. Ben Simmons is elite. They both are great defenders but Simmons is bigger than Iggy. Iggy has the clear edge in his shooting ability. But you have to think that if Ben Simmons had any kind of a jumpshot he'd be untouchable.

[TB]

Andre has been incredibly undervalued in his career. In his Sixer days, those teams should have been cellar dwellers and he was the main reason they hovered around 500. He only got 1 allstar because his team was always fighting for late seeds and voters were still way behind in paying attention to actual winning metrics.

Everywhere Andre played his team outperformed their expectations. I'm almost positive that if Andre came along 10 years later he'd probably be an perennial all-star. 18-5-5 with elite defense and only flaw being a low 30's 3 ball? Thats a max player.

I dunno where I was going with this other than: If Ben Simmons is a taller prime Andre, sign me up.

[BballIntellect]

Andre has been incredibly undervalued in his career. In his Sixer days, those teams should have been cellar dwellers and he was the main reason they hovered around 500. He only got 1 allstar because his team was always fighting for late seeds and voters were still way behind in paying attention to actual winning metrics.

Everywhere Andre played his team outperformed their expectations. I'm almost positive that if Andre came along 10 years later he'd probably be an perennial all-star. 18-5-5 with elite defense and only flaw being a low 30's 3 ball? Thats a max player.

I dunno where I was going with this other than: If Ben Simmons is a taller prime Andre, sign me up.

A guy like Simmons averaging something like 18-5-5 (I think it'd be more 16-10-8) with the elite defense and intangibles would do wonders next to Steph and Klay. He'd provide just what they need and would barely be needed to shoot as long as he's the only non shooter in the lineup.