Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[and1GS]

I tend to agree, but I have to imagine the asking price is quite low and/or it's an all out gamble that he would re-sign at season's end. I would be blown away if we offered anything more than seconds and/or Oubre. I just don't see an expiring guy being someone Myers and co. covet when this is clearly not a title contention season - unless the price is low.

[kingcong95]

I think it would have to be an all in move that included both the Minnesota pick as well as Houston taking Wiggins contract. Zero chance we trade for him just to let him walk after the season and I'm guessing there's zero chance we resign him with Wiggins on the books. I wonder if we think we can pay Olidipo and Oubre a low enough combined amount to offset Wiggins, a top pick, and filler? Wiggins and that pick are around $38-39 million combined assuming it converts this year. Possibly more if it's after next season.

I'm not sure it needs to be all in. Oladipo is almost certainly gone by EOY. So they'll get nothing or some meh return. Makes me wonder why they traded LaVert, who had 2 years on his deal.

I think the owner of the Rockets wanted a young player that could sell jerseys and Lavert just didn't have the marketability that Oladipo has, at least for now anyways. They were probably shocked themselves when he turned down the 2 year extension.

When you consider how much money their owner has lost to the pandemic, and how they feel about their chances in the near future, it boils down to 2 words: cap space. Otherwise they'd have entertained Philly's offer of Simmons, Thybulle, and 2 late picks more thoroughly.
Since they were likely not aware of this at the time of the trade, they may also feel like they dodged an even bigger bullet regarding Levert's health.

[CS707]

I think it would have to be an all in move that included both the Minnesota pick as well as Houston taking Wiggins contract. Zero chance we trade for him just to let him walk after the season and I'm guessing there's zero chance we resign him with Wiggins on the books. I wonder if we think we can pay Olidipo and Oubre a low enough combined amount to offset Wiggins, a top pick, and filler? Wiggins and that pick are around $38-39 million combined assuming it converts this year. Possibly more if it's after next season.

I'm not sure it needs to be all in. Oladipo is almost certainly gone by EOY. So they'll get nothing or some meh return. Makes me wonder why they traded LaVert, who had 2 years on his deal.

I don't see the point for us then. I guess it's lets us shed a little bit more salary at the end of the year (I think).

I'd be more interested in seeing if Oubre can be moved for a player we can keep or a better pick than we potentially gave up.

[DAWill1128]

I will tell you why they do a trade with Houston for Oladipo.

This team is half way through the season and we are a 500 team, Kerr can coach these guys up as much as he wants but talent is lacking to slide up the standings. The defense is pretty good, but the lack of shot making is a problem.

This is really a two part deal not a one part deal. We are looking at making a couple moves.

First deal is Oubre, Wanamaker, and some combo of Poole and Smiley plus whatever 2nd round deal for Oladipo.

Oubre isn’t really the problem. The problem is our complete mess of a secondary ball handler, we have tried everyone. Oladipo comes in and plays secondary shot maker playmaker. When Steph is out Oladipo is a massive upgrade over Wanamaker, that could be huge when you swap those minutes. Next it’s harder to key in on Steph when he is playing off ball if a guy like Oladipo is a threat to put the ball on the deck and score. Steph will have an easier time with less attention, and extra eyes on Oladipo means more open shots for everyone else. Oladipo is also an aggressive guy so it pushes Wiggins into 3rd option which he is better served.

A big part of the deal is replacing Wanamaker with Oladipo, and freeing that roster spot. Shipping Poole and Smiley is a just casualty of the deal, both were in the G-League.

Now that we’ve freed some roster space we can grab Otto Porter who we are linked to as a buyout candidate. Now we could use the DPE on any number of players, but let’s assume the Otto report. Otto is coming in to replace Oubre. Oubre’s biggest struggle has been his outside shot consistency. Otto Porter is shooting over 40% on 3’s and has for his career, he is pretty automatic. Add in Porter is having a decent year with 11ppg 6rpg, he’s a long 6-8 who can defend 2-4.

So the real deal is basically Oubre and Wanamaker for Oladipo and Otto Porter. Poole, Smiley, 2nd rounder(s) these guys don’t really play. The roster spots could be used in any number of ways. Mannion gets some minutes, maybe Lin gets a call, Wesson might get a shot, maybe Dedmon or any number of vets.

Before:

C Looney, Wiseman, Smailigic
PF Green, Paschall, JTA
SF Oubre, Bazemore, Lee
SG Wiggins, Mulder, Poole
PG Curry, Wanamaker, Mannion

After:

C Looney, Wiseman
PF Green, Paschall, JTA
SF Wiggins, Porter, Bazemore
SG Oladipo, Lee, Mulder
PG Curry, Lin, Mannion

Now in the offseason it actually gives us more versatility. Wanamaker was not coming back. Now let’s say Oladipo comes in and looks good, we win a round in the playoffs and he’s excited. We tell Oladipo we got Klay coming back and we think we can win it all, we can negotiate a deal. The market might not be great for Oladipo and he fills in till Klay is right, and then we got a team that can beat anyone out West.

Or let’s say Oladipo still has his heart set on Miami, Riley wants the guy. But Miami doesn’t have the cap space so we make a sign and trade including however many teams and pickup some players, picks, maybe a TPE. If it’s not Miami then where? LA teams don’t have cap space, Nets don’t, Knicks are well still the Knicks. So maybe he stays, either way management recognizes that Oladipo has more star power than Oubre and can provide potentially better opportunities this year in terms of winning and the offseason in terms of assets.

Now you also have Otto Porter. The Warriors might look at Porter and decide you know what he’s a big long wing who can stroke the 3 ball and he’s had a smaller role than Oubre. If we don’t want to pay Oubre what he might get then we can try and sign Otto Porter, which would be a discount compared to Oubre. Otto is more than likely a more affordable option. So while we could spend more on Oladipo than Oubre we could also spend less on Porter as opposed to Oubre, so we have both options.

[SAKURABA216]

I think it would have to be an all in move that included both the Minnesota pick as well as Houston taking Wiggins contract. Zero chance we trade for him just to let him walk after the season and I'm guessing there's zero chance we resign him with Wiggins on the books. I wonder if we think we can pay Olidipo and Oubre a low enough combined amount to offset Wiggins, a top pick, and filler? Wiggins and that pick are around $38-39 million combined assuming it converts this year. Possibly more if it's after next season.

I'm not sure it needs to be all in. Oladipo is almost certainly gone by EOY. So they'll get nothing or some meh return. Makes me wonder why they traded LaVert, who had 2 years on his deal.

I don't see the point for us then. I guess it's lets us shed a little bit more salary at the end of the year (I think).

I'd be more interested in seeing if Oubre can be moved for a player we can keep or a better pick than we potentially gave up.

I wouldn't even mind re-signing him and keeping him around next year. I bet the tax bill won't be quite as bad since revenue is down for the league. If the Warriors are expecting 70% profit loss due to Covid then the repeater luxury tax bill we end up with at the end of the year will be significantly less than the $80 mil that was originally forecasted. Oubre has been playing well and if he keeps it up we might be able to trade him to the Pelicans for Lonzo next year.

[vetmin]

I will tell you why they do a trade with Houston for Oladipo.

This team is half way through the season and we are a 500 team, Kerr can coach these guys up as much as he wants but talent is lacking to slide up the standings. The defense is pretty good, but the lack of shot making is a problem.

This is really a two part deal not a one part deal. We are looking at making a couple moves.

First deal is Oubre, Wanamaker, and some combo of Poole and Smiley plus whatever 2nd round deal for Oladipo.

Oubre isn’t really the problem. The problem is our complete mess of a secondary ball handler, we have tried everyone. Oladipo comes in and plays secondary shot maker playmaker. When Steph is out Oladipo is a massive upgrade over Wanamaker, that could be huge when you swap those minutes. Next it’s harder to key in on Steph when he is playing off ball if a guy like Oladipo is a threat to put the ball on the deck and score. Steph will have an easier time with less attention, and extra eyes on Oladipo means more open shots for everyone else. Oladipo is also an aggressive guy so it pushes Wiggins into 3rd option which he is better served.

A big part of the deal is replacing Wanamaker with Oladipo, and freeing that roster spot. Shipping Poole and Smiley is a just casualty of the deal, both were in the G-League.

Now that we’ve freed some roster space we can grab Otto Porter who we are linked to as a buyout candidate. Now we could use the DPE on any number of players, but let’s assume the Otto report. Otto is coming in to replace Oubre. Oubre’s biggest struggle has been his outside shot consistency. Otto Porter is shooting over 40% on 3’s and has for his career, he is pretty automatic. Add in Porter is having a decent year with 11ppg 6rpg, he’s a long 6-8 who can defend 2-4.

So the real deal is basically Oubre and Wanamaker for Oladipo and Otto Porter. Poole, Smiley, 2nd rounder(s) these guys don’t really play. The roster spots could be used in any number of ways. Mannion gets some minutes, maybe Lin gets a call, Wesson might get a shot, maybe Dedmon or any number of vets.

Before:

C Looney, Wiseman, Smailigic
PF Green, Paschall, JTA
SF Oubre, Bazemore, Lee
SG Wiggins, Mulder, Poole
PG Curry, Wanamaker, Mannion

After:

C Looney, Wiseman
PF Green, Paschall, JTA
SF Wiggins, Porter, Bazemore
SG Oladipo, Lee, Mulder
PG Curry, Lin, Mannion

Now in the offseason it actually gives us more versatility. Wanamaker was not coming back. Now let’s say Oladipo comes in and looks good, we win a round in the playoffs and he’s excited. We tell Oladipo we got Klay coming back and we think we can win it all, we can negotiate a deal. The market might not be great for Oladipo and he fills in till Klay is right, and then we got a team that can beat anyone out West.

Or let’s say Oladipo still has his heart set on Miami, Riley wants the guy. But Miami doesn’t have the cap space so we make a sign and trade including however many teams and pickup some players, picks, maybe a TPE. If it’s not Miami then where? LA teams don’t have cap space, Nets don’t, Knicks are well still the Knicks. So maybe he stays, either way management recognizes that Oladipo has more star power than Oubre and can provide potentially better opportunities this year in terms of winning and the offseason in terms of assets.

Now you also have Otto Porter. The Warriors might look at Porter and decide you know what he’s a big long wing who can stroke the 3 ball and he’s had a smaller role than Oubre. If we don’t want to pay Oubre what he might get then we can try and sign Otto Porter, which would be a discount compared to Oubre. Otto is more than likely a more affordable option. So while we could spend more on Oladipo than Oubre we could also spend less on Porter as opposed to Oubre, so we have both options.

Good on you for taking the time to articulate the big picture like this. Just a couple reactions:

- If Porter is picked up as a buyout guy, then that's no different than signing him as a free agent, right (i.e., in terms of GS's ability to retain him)? I would imagine that if he looks good enough for GS to want to re-sign, then he'll fetch a pretty good amount on the open market -- at least more than the taxpayer MLE would offer. If DPE signings are granted a cap hold such that they can be re-signed based on their DPE salary, then maybe then means GS would need to sign him for the full DPE with the hope that his market is not much higher than that. I'm not even sure if that's possible with DPEs though, nor am I sure that his market value would be that low (again, if he actually looked good enough for us to want to re-sign him).

- If I'm not mistaken, trading for Oladipo and then S&Ting him in the offseason would hard-cap the team who Oladipo goes to, not us. Can anyone confirm if this is true? I'm not 100% clear on the rule. If so, then I wonder if we may end up a player or two and another sizeable TPE available in case Klay is struggling, etc.

[CS707]

I'm not sure it needs to be all in. Oladipo is almost certainly gone by EOY. So they'll get nothing or some meh return. Makes me wonder why they traded LaVert, who had 2 years on his deal.

I don't see the point for us then. I guess it's lets us shed a little bit more salary at the end of the year (I think).

I'd be more interested in seeing if Oubre can be moved for a player we can keep or a better pick than we potentially gave up.

I wouldn't even mind re-signing him and keeping him around next year. I bet the tax bill won't be quite as bad since revenue is down for the league. If the Warriors are expecting 70% profit loss due to Covid then the repeater luxury tax bill we end up with at the end of the year will be significantly less than the $80 mil that was originally forecasted. Oubre has been playing well and if he keeps it up we might be able to trade him to the Pelicans for Lonzo next year.

I wouldn't mind keeping him either. Hadn't really considered the impact of the downturn on the lux tax but I've just been operating on the assumption that there's no way we resign him.

[lars_rosenberg]

If Bob can get Oladipo and Otto Porter the team is going to be massively improved.
Indiana really fell off a cliff when Dipo left, he was very instrumental to their success. Porter is an excellent role player with the only problem he was paid like an All Star and he's not the type of player that can carry a team. He would be perfect for the Warriors.
If everybody stays healthy and the Lakers aren't 100% we could even sneak to the finals. Then lose to KD, but who knows, a team with Kyrie, Harden and Griffin could still implode.

[Coxy]

The only angle I can see us trading for Dipo, is if we retain his rights in some way that would force Miami to do a S&T with us in the offseason, and we could nad a player or 2 back the other way. If not, it makes zero sense.

Porter Jnr if heis bought out? Heck yes, for sure.

[The-Power]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

[ahmetmekin]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/warriors/article/Why-Warriors-are-unlikely-to-get-Victor-Oladipo-16010112.php

[xdrta+]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

Agree. And as for Porter, he's really had a problem staying on the court the last few years. Back problems, as I recall, and I don't believe he's played for six weeks or so.

[wco81]

Porter got his huge contract because he hit 3s at good efficiency. But he only averages 3.3 3PA in his career.

Can he still defend in the other big question. About to turn 28 so he could be kind of like a better shooting Iggy though not the same level of defender.

Question is what kind of contract would he expect.

[and1GS]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

This. He's an expiring contract who has been up and down for a while. He's also a tweener with PG height.

Helpful player? Absolutely. But why would you shell out anything when you know HOU has little-to-no shot at re-signing him?

[Chris Porter's Hair]

So my first guess was Oubre/Wanamaker/Chriss for Oladipo. Then I have to wonder what incentive Houston has to do that. Either:
- They don't plan to keep Oladipo, they wouldn't keep the guys we're sending, so we give them some minimal draft compensation or cash to make it worth their while.
or
- They know they don't want Oladipo at what he'd cost them, but they might want to see if they could keep Oubre or Chriss at whatever price that would cost them.

[azwfan]

Anyone who's willing to give up real value to acquire Oladipo is out of their mind.

This. He's an expiring contract who has been up and down for a while. He's also a tweener with PG height.

Helpful player? Absolutely. But why would you shell out anything when you know HOU has little-to-no shot at re-signing him?

I really like Oladipo for us.
The worries are his contract situation and injury situation (although in my mind those factors are what make him acquirable at a low price).

I dont think i’d give up a 1st for him, but Poole + 2nds, why not - especially if we get to dump Wanatradeya in the process.

[azwfan]

So my first guess was Oubre/Wanamaker/Chriss for Oladipo. Then I have to wonder what incentive Houston has to do that. Either:
- They don't plan to keep Oladipo, they wouldn't keep the guys we're sending, so we give them some minimal draft compensation or cash to make it worth their while.
or
- They know they don't want Oladipo at what he'd cost them, but they might want to see if they could keep Oubre or Chriss at whatever price that would cost them.

If we give them cash for remainder of Wanamaker and Chriss’ salaries, Houston makes out pretty well I think.

[ILOVEIT]

Not sure why folks don't appreciate VO. I bet Warriors win about 4 more games with him on this team. He'd be huge in close games. Warriors are Curry and...zero...when it comes to closing game options.

You can not put the ball in any other players hands on the Warriors and have confidence at the end of games.

I'm not saying give up a ton...picks etc...

But I would even consider Paschal...who is clearly showing he's never going to have a 3 point shot..is very suspect on defense and really is a guy getting minutes because Warriors don't have a legit bench.

[ILOVEIT]

So my first guess was Oubre/Wanamaker/Chriss for Oladipo. Then I have to wonder what incentive Houston has to do that. Either:
- They don't plan to keep Oladipo, they wouldn't keep the guys we're sending, so we give them some minimal draft compensation or cash to make it worth their while.
or
- They know they don't want Oladipo at what he'd cost them, but they might want to see if they could keep Oubre or Chriss at whatever price that would cost them.

I would rather have VO than Oubre. We know what Obre won't give us. He's not a ball handler and Warriors need another ball handler big time.

Give me VO and some help in a playoff run this year (8th seed is fine) and maybe we convince him to comeback next year as a Iggy type super sub

[whatisacenter]

Dipo is intriguing but it all comes down to what it will cost. I would probably be willing to offer anything other than Curry, Draymond, Wiseman and the Minny pick. Maybe add in the Warriors own 2021 pick if it falls between 11-20 and then turn into a couple of second rounders if it doesn't convey.