Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[Scoots1994]

Btw, regarding the “theres 5 of them every year” point, ill say 2 things:
1) There arent 5 as good as poole every year, and 2) The Ryan Rollins selection appears to me as a possible Poole replacement pick, as he to me seems like a combo guard, multi-level scorer, but with possibly less burst and more defense. Time will tell on that though.

it's an exaggeration obviously but it's clearly one of the easiest roles/archetypes to fill. undersized score first CGs are like the easiest things to find in the NBA at this point. Spurs have two of them right now playing against us in Wesley and Primo.

Sure, easy to find if you want to spend two 1st round picks on them.

[clyde21]

Btw, regarding the “theres 5 of them every year” point, ill say 2 things:
1) There arent 5 as good as poole every year, and 2) The Ryan Rollins selection appears to me as a possible Poole replacement pick, as he to me seems like a combo guard, multi-level scorer, but with possibly less burst and more defense. Time will tell on that though.

it's an exaggeration obviously but it's clearly one of the easiest roles/archetypes to fill. undersized score first CGs are like the easiest things to find in the NBA at this point. Spurs have two of them right now playing against us in Wesley and Primo.

Sure, easy to find if you want to spend two 1st round picks on them.

yea, that's kinda how the NBA works. either you draft players or sign them in FA.

did you think they just magically appear on the roster?

[wco81]

Or trade for them.

You want to trade for Springer, who shot like 24-25% from 3 and 65% from the FT line in the G League.

He's young so he may improve but Warriors want to contend now, not add another developmental player to the roster.

[clyde21]

Or trade for them.

You want to trade for Springer, who shot like 24-25% from 3 and 65% from the FT line in the G League.

He's young so he may improve but Warriors want to contend now, not add another developmental player to the roster.

that's the Paul Reed part.

[Scoots1994]

it's an exaggeration obviously but it's clearly one of the easiest roles/archetypes to fill. undersized score first CGs are like the easiest things to find in the NBA at this point. Spurs have two of them right now playing against us in Wesley and Primo.

Sure, easy to find if you want to spend two 1st round picks on them.

yea, that's kinda how the NBA works. either you draft players or sign them in FA.

did you think they just magically appear on the roster?

I'm not the one who said they were easy to find. You want to trade Poole for Reed and Springer. You clearly either know very little or are a troll.

[clyde21]

Sure, easy to find if you want to spend two 1st round picks on them.

yea, that's kinda how the NBA works. either you draft players or sign them in FA.

did you think they just magically appear on the roster?

I'm not the one who said they were easy to find. You want to trade Poole for Reed and Springer. You clearly either know very little or are a troll.

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

[Scoots1994]

yea, that's kinda how the NBA works. either you draft players or sign them in FA.

did you think they just magically appear on the roster?

I'm not the one who said they were easy to find. You want to trade Poole for Reed and Springer. You clearly either know very little or are a troll.

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

As good as Poole?

[clyde21]

I'm not the one who said they were easy to find. You want to trade Poole for Reed and Springer. You clearly either know very little or are a troll.

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

As good as Poole?

thought so

[Scoots1994]

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

As good as Poole?

thought so

Yeah, you got nothing but hot air.

[clyde21]

As good as Poole?

thought so

Yeah, you got nothing but hot air.

i asked you which archetype are easier to find than Poole's, you gave me a whopping ZERO.

glad to know you agree with me.

[DevinVassell]

^ Yeah those guards/players that shoot .925 from the line on 266 attempts are soooo easy to find. Dime a dozen. Actually I reckon you and I could lead the ENTIRE LEAGUE too. Bloody useless.

Bloke is already a shifty 3 level scorer and on the way to being an elite outside shooter that can create his own shot.

Take off the blinders 4D.

[Coxy]

yea, that's kinda how the NBA works. either you draft players or sign them in FA.

did you think they just magically appear on the roster?

I'm not the one who said they were easy to find. You want to trade Poole for Reed and Springer. You clearly either know very little or are a troll.

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

I can think of a few actually.

1. Backup journeyman forwards plowing the G-League.
2. Backup PG's with Wanamaker level ability and talent.
3. Starting C's with no talent, big body only.
4. Middling SG/SF that can shoot but has no basketball instincts.
5. Veteran PF that has no knees anymore and a negative vertical jump.
6. F/C's that have 1 skillset, energetic rebounding.

Plenty of architectitypes to find easier than young 20ppg combo guards with Hall of Shame worthy level defence.

[clyde21]

I'm not the one who said they were easy to find. You want to trade Poole for Reed and Springer. You clearly either know very little or are a troll.

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

I can think of a few actually.

1. Backup journeyman forwards plowing the G-League.
2. Backup PG's with Wanamaker level ability and talent.
3. Starting C's with no talent, big body only.
4. Middling SG/SF that can shoot but has no basketball instincts.
5. Veteran PF that has no knees anymore and a negative vertical jump.
6. F/C's that have 1 skillset, energetic rebounding.

Plenty of architectitypes to find easier than young 20ppg combo guards with Hall of Shame worthy level defence.

i don't understand this list, almost none of these are archetypes or role really.

1 a 'journeyman forward' is not a role.

2 okay but Wanamaker is not a role. if you're saying a legitimate backup PG is easier to find than a scoring 6th man, then I disagree obviously. no one tries to go out and find 'the Wanamaker role'.

3 again, 'starting centers with no talent' is not an archetype. no one goes into FA or the draft saying 'we need to find a no talent starting 5'. not sure what this means at all.

4 so a shooting wing? that's definitely harder to find. how many of these in the league can you even name?

5 again, not an archetype.

6 energy bigs are an archetype, and you can certainly make an argument that they are easier to find.


so you really have 1 here, energy big.

but if you wanna lay them out in terms of actual archetypes, here they are:

- lead guards: PGs that can run actual offense and sets
- combo guards: guards that can defend both positions and do some scoring/playmaking offensively
- 3/D guards or wings: self explanatory
- wings: hardest and more premium archetype
- combo forward: Franz/Jabari Smith types
- point forwards: Dray types.
- rim protecting big: Rudy Gobert
- combo big: Towns type, can play both the 4 or 5
- energy big: Trez types
- utility/glue forwards/bigs: Loon types
- scoring 6th man guard: score first guard, usually undersized and not enough playmaking to be the lead guard


and obviously 2nd/3rd unit versions of the above archetypes, but out of this list, I can easily argue the Jordan Poole archetype, which is the 6th man scoring archetype that doesn't really play defense and is usually undersized is the easiest to find.

go look at most teams, they all have them.

- Brooklyn has 3 in Seth Curry, Patty Mills and Cam Thomas.
- Spurs have 2 in Josh Primo and Blake Wesley, even tho they are trying to develop Primo into a lead guy.
- Portland had two elites ones essentially in Dame/CJ, and then took Simons.
- Utah has Donovan Mitchell and Jordan Clarkson.
- Charlotte has 2 in Rozier and Bouknight.
- Chicago has 2 in Ayo and Coby.
- Cleveland has 1 in Sexton and are trying to trade him away.
- Dallas has 1 in THJ.
- Denver has Murray and just drafted Bones.
- Houston has like 3 now in Green, Porter and Gup.

you can just keep going, it's the easiest archetype to find. obviously there are variations and talent levels between these players but undersized score first guards that don't defend are a dime a dozen. easiest skill set to find other than maybe an energy big. which is also why you shouldn't spend high picks/big contracts on energy bigs either.

[clyde21]

^ Yeah those guards/players that shoot .925 from the line on 266 attempts are soooo easy to find. Dime a dozen. Actually I reckon you and I could lead the ENTIRE LEAGUE too. Bloody useless.

Bloke is already a shifty 3 level scorer and on the way to being an elite outside shooter that can create his own shot.

Take off the blinders 4D.

the irony behind a someone on this board telling me to take off the blinders when it comes to JP

[Scoots1994]

^ Yeah those guards/players that shoot .925 from the line on 266 attempts are soooo easy to find. Dime a dozen. Actually I reckon you and I could lead the ENTIRE LEAGUE too. Bloody useless.

Bloke is already a shifty 3 level scorer and on the way to being an elite outside shooter that can create his own shot.

Take off the blinders 4D.

I think it's possible his lame-ass argument is that there are more short people than tall people and he's completely dismissing skill and talent.

[Coxy]

tell me which positions/roles are easier to find than undersized score-first combo guards that don't play defense? go.

I can think of a few actually.

1. Backup journeyman forwards plowing the G-League.
2. Backup PG's with Wanamaker level ability and talent.
3. Starting C's with no talent, big body only.
4. Middling SG/SF that can shoot but has no basketball instincts.
5. Veteran PF that has no knees anymore and a negative vertical jump.
6. F/C's that have 1 skillset, energetic rebounding.

Plenty of architectitypes to find easier than young 20ppg combo guards with Hall of Shame worthy level defence.

i don't understand this list, almost none of these are archetypes or role really.

1 a 'journeyman forward' is not a role.

2 okay but Wanamaker is not a role. if you're saying a legitimate backup PG is easier to find than a scoring 6th man, then I disagree obviously. no one tries to go out and find 'the Wanamaker role'.

3 again, 'starting centers with no talent' is not an archetype. no one goes into FA or the draft saying 'we need to find a no talent starting 5'. not sure what this means at all.

4 so a shooting wing? that's definitely harder to find. how many of these in the league can you even name?

5 again, not an archetype.

6 energy bigs are an archetype, and you can certainly make an argument that they are easier to find.


so you really have 1 here, energy big.

but if you wanna lay them out in terms of actual archetypes, here they are:

- lead guards: PGs that can run actual offense and sets
- combo guards: guards that can defend both positions and do some scoring/playmaking offensively
- 3/D guards or wings: self explanatory
- wings: hardest and more premium archetype
- combo forward: Franz/Jabari Smith types
- point forwards: Dray types.
- rim protecting big: Rudy Gobert
- combo big: Towns type, can play both the 4 or 5
- energy big: Trez types
- utility/glue forwards/bigs: Loon types
- scoring 6th man guard: score first guard, usually undersized and not enough playmaking to be the lead guard


and obviously 2nd/3rd unit versions of the above archetypes, but out of this list, I can easily argue the Jordan Poole archetype, which is the 6th man scoring archetype that doesn't really play defense and is usually undersized is the easiest to find.

go look at most teams, they all have them.

- Brooklyn has 3 in Seth Curry, Patty Mills and Cam Thomas.
- Spurs have 2 in Josh Primo and Blake Wesley, even tho they are trying to develop Primo into a lead guy.
- Portland had two elites ones essentially in Dame/CJ, and then took Simons.
- Utah has Donovan Mitchell and Jordan Clarkson.
- Charlotte has 2 in Rozier and Bouknight.
- Chicago has 2 in Ayo and Coby.
- Cleveland has 1 in Sexton and are trying to trade him away.
- Dallas has 1 in THJ.
- Denver has Murray and just drafted Bones.
- Houston has like 3 now in Green, Porter and Gup.

you can just keep going, it's the easiest archetype to find. obviously there are variations and talent levels between these players but undersized score first guards that don't defend are a dime a dozen. easiest skill set to find other than maybe an energy big. which is also why you shouldn't spend high picks/big contracts on energy bigs either.

Thanks clyde, didn't read, I was making a post in jest.

[clyde21]

^ Yeah those guards/players that shoot .925 from the line on 266 attempts are soooo easy to find. Dime a dozen. Actually I reckon you and I could lead the ENTIRE LEAGUE too. Bloody useless.

Bloke is already a shifty 3 level scorer and on the way to being an elite outside shooter that can create his own shot.

Take off the blinders 4D.

I think it's possible his lame-ass argument is that there are more short people than tall people and he's completely dismissing skill and talent.

laid it out pretty well for you in my previous post, you should take notes when I drop knowledge.

[WESCO]

Anyone think we should make a move in any of Jazz vets? Bev, Conley, gay, boggy?

What would u give up ?

[donkeylips]

warriors dont have any contracts to trade. i wouldnt trade any of the young guys for them.

[Onus]

Anyone think we should make a move in any of Jazz vets? Bev, Conley, gay, boggy?

What would u give up ?

If trade for Vanderbilt