Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

Dubs 707 · Post #1101 » by **Dubs 707** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:10 am

He said he just doesn't like him, he's got that Skip Bayless in him, apparently!

TB · Post #1102 » by TB » Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:34 am

vvoland wrote:
TB wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Why wouldn't GS go for one of the 3 low salaried other centers? M.Williams, Maluach or Richards? Bringing in more teams would allow someone like G.Allen, Brooks or even O'Neal to be rerouted and bring in possibly better valued player on a small contract? It's very possible to stay under the 1st apron if they get good valued players for Kuminga.

I personally would way rather have O’Neale or Allen than any of those centers (except Maluach as a project, but they aren’t trading him). In fact I like Oso more than Williams or Richards anyways.

O’Neale would be a great fit on the Warriors with his 3/D ability. Same with Allen I just don’t like him.

Meaning, you think Allen has D ability or just that he'd be a great fit?

I think he’s a decent defender, but mostly just the fact that he’s one of the best shooters in the league and a willing passer.

TB · Post #1103 » by TB » Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:38 am

Dubs 707 wrote:He said he just doesn't like him, he's got that Skip Bayless in him, apparently!

I hate Skip even more than I hate Allen. :lol:

Allen is just a notoriously dirty player, so thats the main reason I don’t like him as a player. But he’s a seriously elite shooter and would help the Warriors. That being said, his salary complicates things since it likely means we would have to add someone like Buddy or Moody with Kuminga. Where-as O’Neale, who is not as good a shooter but a better defender and less punchable player, makes the perfect amount to make a Kuminga deal work.

EvanZ · Post #1104 » by **EvanZ** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:26 pm

Just take Koby Brea. He’s such an elite shooter I’m not sure it matters that he absolutely can’t do anything else on a basketball court.

statsman · Post #1105 » by **statsman** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:37 pm

Looks like both sides are going to wait this out indefinitely. NBA training camps open for all but two teams on October 1st, which is also the last day Kuminga can sign his qualifying offer before it expires. They may just take this to the wire (given my past predictions, expect a deal within the next seven days - LOL)

Onus · Post #1106 » by **Onus** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:22 am

Jk finally putting some pressure on the warriors by putting out there that he doesn’t want to be back.

statsman · Post #1107 » by **statsman** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:25 am

Onus wrote:Jk finally putting some pressure on the warriors by putting out there that he doesn’t want to be back.

When and where did this come about?

bay2hk · Post #1108 » by **bay2hk** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:32 am

Screw Kuminga. Force him to sign the QO and if he wants to f around this season he can play got the minimum the season after.

Onus · Post #1109 » by **Onus** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:35 am

statsman wrote:
Onus wrote:Jk finally putting some pressure on the warriors by putting out there that he doesn’t want to be back.

When and where did this come about?

Siegel reported it

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1110 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:04 am

statsman wrote:
Onus wrote:Jk finally putting some pressure on the warriors by putting out there that he doesn’t want to be back.

When and where did this come about?

He doesnt want to come back.
Warriors trying to extend him in the 20M range to flip at deadline.
Kuminga has drawn a hard line at 30M minimum.
Gsw thinks there's no market for jk, so will be difficult to flip at 30M/year.

Re : seigel. If you choose to trust him as a source.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1111 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:08 am

Found it.

Read on Twitter

bay2hk · Post #1112 » by **bay2hk** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:09 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
statsman wrote:
Onus wrote:Jk finally putting some pressure on the warriors by putting out there that he doesn’t want to be back.

When and where did this come about?

He doesnt want to come back.
Warriors trying to extend him in the 20M range to flip at deadline.
Kuminga has drawn a hard line at 30M minimum.
Gsw thinks there's no market for jk, so will be difficult to flip at 30M/year.

Re : seigel. If you choose to trust him as a source.

I believe it from Kuminga and his camp’s antics the past year. Time to knock his ass back on the ground and humble him. Warriors don’t have to do anything. Make him sign the QO and play for his livelihood next season.

EvanZ · Post #1113 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:24 am

Can’t give him $30M. Nope.

Old_Blue · Post #1114 » by **Old_Blue** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:33 am

At this point, his behavior is nothing short of childish foot stamping unless he gets his way. Let him sit out the season and revisit the issue next summer. Next man up.

whatisacenter · Post #1115 » by **whatisacenter** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:39 am

lol, this thread is solid gold!

statsman · Post #1116 » by **statsman** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:41 am

The problem with letting him sit is the Warriors take a bit of a risk if they sign Horford to the TPMLE. Not saying it would happen, but if some team opened up enough cap space to front load a deal the Warriors won't match because of the second apron, Kuminga is gone for nothing (although there were some fans who are willing to let that happen).

With Horford on the TPMLE, any offer to Kuminga that starts at $24M or above risks the second apron. $24.75M and above would exceed the second apron, and that's without any salary for the 15th roster spot or 10-days. Switching one of the three needed vet minimums to a drafted rookie minimum (Richard or Toohey) extends those amounts by $1M for each drafted rookie minimum.

Good chance Horford may be gone for the Warriors because of this stalemate.

Old_Blue · Post #1117 » by **Old_Blue** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:55 am

Yet another issue to address in the next CBA. Call it the Anti Hostage Clause.

statsman · Post #1118 » by **statsman** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:10 am

EvanZ wrote:Can’t give him $30M. Nope.

Hey, if some team wants to give him $30M/yr, make the S&T offer to the Warriors. I'm doubt any team is willing to go that high, but I could be wrong.

For RFA offer sheets:

3/90 would start at $28.57M, assuming 5% raises
4/120 would start at $27.91M, assuming 5% raises

bay2hk · Post #1119 » by **bay2hk** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:14 am

statsman wrote:The problem with letting him sit is the Warriors take a bit of a risk if they sign Horford to the TPMLE. Not saying it would happen, but if some team opened up enough cap space to front load a deal the Warriors won't match because of the second apron, Kuminga is gone for nothing (although there were some fans who are willing to let that happen).

With Horford on the TPMLE, any offer to Kuminga that starts at $24M or above risks the second apron. $24.75M and above would exceed the second apron, and that's without any salary for the 15th roster spot or 10-days. Switching one of the three needed vet minimums to a drafted rookie minimum (Richard or Toohey) extends those amounts by $1M for each drafted rookie minimum.

Good chance Horford may be gone for the Warriors because of this stalemate.

Warriors just need to wait until 10/1 to sign Horford and other vet min. If JK doesn’t sign the QO by then it will roll over to next offseason. Wonder if JK is getting advice from Patrick McCaw’s dad.

statsman · Post #1120 » by **statsman** » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:17 am

bay2hk wrote:
statsman wrote:The problem with letting him sit is the Warriors take a bit of a risk if they sign Horford to the TPMLE. Not saying it would happen, but if some team opened up enough cap space to front load a deal the Warriors won't match because of the second apron, Kuminga is gone for nothing (although there were some fans who are willing to let that happen).

With Horford on the TPMLE, any offer to Kuminga that starts at $24M or above risks the second apron. $24.75M and above would exceed the second apron, and that's without any salary for the 15th roster spot or 10-days. Switching one of the three needed vet minimums to a drafted rookie minimum (Richard or Toohey) extends those amounts by $1M for each drafted rookie minimum.

Good chance Horford may be gone for the Warriors because of this stalemate.

Warriors just need to wait until 10/1 to sign Horford and other vet min. If JK doesn’t sign the QO by then it will roll over to next offseason. Wonder if JK is getting advice from Patrick McCaw’s dad.

Restricted free agency continues into the season (through March 1st). They cannot take the risk of signing Horford unless they are willing to exceed the second apron in order to retain Kuminga on matching a RFA offer sheet. Maybe one near the trade deadline.

The next step I foresee in all of this mess is the Kuminga camp suing the Warriors.