Coxy wrote:PLO wrote:BballIntellect wrote:
I'm curious to know who is in that category then.
Probably no one, realistically. Simmons isn't on the same level as Doncic, offensively at least - maybe Zion when you consider the injuries? Just to be clear I had Zion above Simmons predraft as prospects. I think Simmons is probably equal to someone like KAT when you add up their overall value, but the 6ers would never trade Simmons for KAT, which is why I say realistically.
I find it really hard to guage Simmons value. I'm an Aussie, so maybe I'm a little more critical of him than most, but I don't see Ben being anymore valuable on court than what Andre Iguodala was during his peak years. Ben doesn't have any go to offense, however is exceptional in transition and has great vision, just like Andre was. Andre was a fantastic defender, Ben is as well. Ben and Andre had great vision and fit into a team aspect well. They are both great finishers at the rim. The big difference is that Andre did develop a credible 3 pnt shot (Which was widly up and down during his career), and Ben doesn't look like he'll ever have this in his game because he is so widly unorthidox, it's almost like his body confuses him. I also question Ben's dedication and motor to become more than this as well.
So, I see Simmons as a glue guy, not a go to franchise talent. Others, including the media, seem to think he's the 2nd coming of Lebron or something, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. However, the narrative is there, so any trades for Simmons I see that fans throw around here seem wild to me. I expect that Philly fans will want a giant return for Ben, and they'll probably get it, but I think the team trading for him could make a gigantic error by letting go of major assets to acquire him from an on court perspective. Just my 2c as an Aussie watching him from afar, with our home grown media keeping a very close eye on him at all times as well.
Man your harsh on him. I get it, especially living here - we hear so much about him so you could make a case he's over hyped. I almost think the opposite though - people focus waaayyyy to much on what he cant do (shoot from outside ) than what he's actually really good at. He's a fantastic passer obviously, is an elite defender and finishes well inside (weird stat - currently top 10 in the league in made hookshots )
He's a franchise changer ? No probably not. But he's getting undersold in here
