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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1181 » by killmongrel » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:10 am

cdubbz wrote:Warriors get: Covington, Diop, Bates-Diop+ pick

Wolves get: Dlo+ Spellman

we need to rob the wolves for their draft pick if they want to KAT and DLo.


How does this rob the Wolves? Covington is role player. Spellman is more promising than Diop. And that 1st rp is probably going to be mediocre in a draft that isn't that good.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1182 » by BballIntellect » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:17 am

cdubbz wrote:Warriors get: Covington, Diop, Bates-Diop+ pick

Wolves get: Dlo+ Spellman

we need to rob the wolves for their draft pick if they want to KAT and DLo.


So it's basically Covington + picks for Dlo ? And why should we give the Wolves Spellman ?
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1183 » by Coxy » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:30 am

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I think Marc Gasol on the MLE would be my ideal Bogut replacement.

Have you seen Steven Adams recently? His passing game looks much improved in the games I have watched him in. I saw an article talking about the improvement as well, but can't find it now. His screen setting - as always - is great.

As good as he looks nowadays, I personally don't think the 26 million he gets every year with his skill-set. I think he will be better on our team than Andre Drummond, at least.


oh yea, i prefere Adams to Drummond for sure, Drummond is more worried about getting his 20/10, Adams doesn't care at all and is willing to do all the little things like you said like setting picks and boxing out

that's the kind of C we need, too much $$$ for Adams tho.

Okc is running a lot of the offense through Adams this year. He’s not a Bogut level passer but he’s pretty good. He’s averaging 2.7 apg which is a career high. This has caused his ORB to drop since he’s not under the basket quite as much, yet he’s still averaging a career high in rebounds while playing about 6 mpg less than last year. Next year he’ll be an expiring so it wouldn’t be a long term commitment to his high price if GS decided he’s the guy they want. If Adams gets traded I would rather him go somewhere like GS than Atlanta. He’s been such a good teammate I hate to stick him in a bad situation.Good article here if anyone wants to read it- https://dailythunder.com/the-rise-of-steven-adams/


I've been pining for Adams for quite a while now, as our Bogut replacement, even if he comes from Australias deformed little cousin country. He'd fit in perfectly and Kerr would have him play the Bogut role, and Adams is a smart guy he'd be perfect for it.

He's really dreamy too, so he'd bring fine ass Bay Area ladies to games. That's important.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1184 » by wco81 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:32 pm

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cdubbz wrote:Warriors get: Covington, Diop, Bates-Diop+ pick

Wolves get: Dlo+ Spellman

we need to rob the wolves for their draft pick if they want to KAT and DLo.


So it's basically Covington + picks for Dlo ? And why should we give the Wolves Spellman ?



Wonder if Myers is trying to rob the Wolves or is just planning to wait for the slim chance of hitting the lottery, somehow a trade for Giannis or AD.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1185 » by xdrta+ » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:50 pm

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BballIntellect wrote:
cdubbz wrote:Warriors get: Covington, Diop, Bates-Diop+ pick

Wolves get: Dlo+ Spellman

we need to rob the wolves for their draft pick if they want to KAT and DLo.


So it's basically Covington + picks for Dlo ? And why should we give the Wolves Spellman ?



Wonder if Myers is trying to rob the Wolves or is just planning to wait for the slim chance of hitting the lottery, somehow a trade for Giannis or AD.


Hitting the lottery won't get you AD.
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Post#1186 » by wco81 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:22 pm

Not the draft lottery.

Another lottery like getting KD with the cap spike.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1187 » by BongBoyKlay » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:33 pm

wco81 wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:
cdubbz wrote:Warriors get: Covington, Diop, Bates-Diop+ pick

Wolves get: Dlo+ Spellman

we need to rob the wolves for their draft pick if they want to KAT and DLo.


So it's basically Covington + picks for Dlo ? And why should we give the Wolves Spellman ?



Wonder if Myers is trying to rob the Wolves or is just planning to wait for the slim chance of hitting the lottery, somehow a trade for Giannis or AD.

If I were Myers I would wait until the offseason with the hopes of manufacturing a bidding war for DLO. Hopefully, that pays off and we end up robbing whoever is the highest bidder. Good chance that team is the Wolves. Waiting until the summer also leaves the door open for the dream scenario of landing a superstar level talent.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1188 » by killmongrel » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:35 am

I think a team we need to stop talking about as a possible trade partner in any capacity, even on a multi-team trade, is the Magic. Gordon is a lost cause and Vucevic is not what we need in a center. If you need any convincing, just read what Magic fans think about the guy. Even a player I was interested in early in the year is having a bad season - Terrence Ross. Jonathan Isaac is the only player I would be interested in but he's untouchable for the Magic.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1189 » by azwfan » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:43 pm

What are your guys' thoughts on a trade for Dwayne Dedmon? If the Kings are trying to dump his salary, what do you think the chances are we can absorb his bad deal in the summer while getting a future 1st rd pick (or 2) or possibly a 1st and some pick swaps.

Few points:
- Vlade has a history of using FRP (and pick swaps) to dump salary.
- The chance we'll be able to use that TPE on someone decent seems unlikely.
- The draft capital could be added to D'Lo / whoever we take with high lottery pick in a future superstar trade package.

Not sure Dedmon would be an on-the-court asset for us next season, however, we could use a 7-footer and he has shown to be adequate in the past.
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Post#1190 » by whatisacenter » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:19 pm

azwfan wrote:What are your guys' thoughts on a trade for Dwayne Dedmon? If the Kings are trying to dump his salary, what do you think the chances are we can absorb his bad deal in the summer while getting a future 1st rd pick (or 2) or possibly a 1st and some pick swaps.

Few points:
- Vlade has a history of using FRP (and pick swaps) to dump salary.
- The chance we'll be able to use that TPE on someone decent seems unlikely.
- The draft capital could be added to D'Lo / whoever we take with high lottery pick in a future superstar trade package.

Not sure Dedmon would be an on-the-court asset for us next season, however, we could use a 7-footer and he has shown to be adequate in the past.


I wanted Dedmon in the past but after watching him the past two seasons with the Hawks and Kings I've cooled on him. I think the Warriors need a rim running athletic vertical threat to pair with Spellman who can come off the bench as a stretch 5.
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Post#1191 » by BballIntellect » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:44 pm

azwfan wrote:What are your guys' thoughts on a trade for Dwayne Dedmon? If the Kings are trying to dump his salary, what do you think the chances are we can absorb his bad deal in the summer while getting a future 1st rd pick (or 2) or possibly a 1st and some pick swaps.

Few points:
- Vlade has a history of using FRP (and pick swaps) to dump salary.
- The chance we'll be able to use that TPE on someone decent seems unlikely.
- The draft capital could be added to D'Lo / whoever we take with high lottery pick in a future superstar trade package.

Not sure Dedmon would be an on-the-court asset for us next season, however, we could use a 7-footer and he has shown to be adequate in the past.


I'd rather get Dedmon with the trade exception than to trade for him. I honestly don't think we could get much better than him with the trade exception unless we want to give up picks as well. The Kings are already trying to find suitors for him because they want to get rid of his contract and if they can't trade him, then we come right in next summer.

From our perspective, we can treat him like a huge expiring contract because he has a non guaranteed deal in 2021-22. He's shown he can be a servicable center as recently as last year and that's all we need. If he's good, we can guarantee his 2021-22 contract. If he sucks, we can cut him and he doesn't count against our cap for the 2021-22 season.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1192 » by wco81 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:55 pm

Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer said that he believes the Warriors won't trade Dlo until the offseason because they want to see what he'd do with Curry and maybe Klay.

Also said the Wolves offer would have to blow them away. That means not just Covington and Dieng but multiple first round picks because their first pick in this draft would be around 8 or 9 in the weak draft and after the trade, the Wolves could improve and the pick could fall into the mid teens.

So the Warriors would want picks in future drafts.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1193 » by xdrta+ » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:56 pm

BballIntellect wrote:
azwfan wrote:What are your guys' thoughts on a trade for Dwayne Dedmon? If the Kings are trying to dump his salary, what do you think the chances are we can absorb his bad deal in the summer while getting a future 1st rd pick (or 2) or possibly a 1st and some pick swaps.

Few points:
- Vlade has a history of using FRP (and pick swaps) to dump salary.
- The chance we'll be able to use that TPE on someone decent seems unlikely.
- The draft capital could be added to D'Lo / whoever we take with high lottery pick in a future superstar trade package.

Not sure Dedmon would be an on-the-court asset for us next season, however, we could use a 7-footer and he has shown to be adequate in the past.


I'd rather get Dedmon with the trade exception than to trade for him. I honestly don't think we could get much better than him with the trade exception unless we want to give up picks as well. The Kings are already trying to find suitors for him because they want to get rid of his contract and if they can't trade him, then we come right in next summer.

From our perspective, we can treat him like a huge expiring contract because he has a non guaranteed deal in 2021-22. He's shown he can be a servicable center as recently as last year and that's all we need. If he's good, we can guarantee his 2021-22 contract. If he sucks, we can cut him and he doesn't count against our cap for the 2021-22 season.


You have to trade for Dedmon if you want to fit him into the TE, which means you either send back salary or draft picks. Most likely picks if Sac just wants to shed salary.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1194 » by BballIntellect » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:01 am

xdrta+ wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:
azwfan wrote:What are your guys' thoughts on a trade for Dwayne Dedmon? If the Kings are trying to dump his salary, what do you think the chances are we can absorb his bad deal in the summer while getting a future 1st rd pick (or 2) or possibly a 1st and some pick swaps.

Few points:
- Vlade has a history of using FRP (and pick swaps) to dump salary.
- The chance we'll be able to use that TPE on someone decent seems unlikely.
- The draft capital could be added to D'Lo / whoever we take with high lottery pick in a future superstar trade package.

Not sure Dedmon would be an on-the-court asset for us next season, however, we could use a 7-footer and he has shown to be adequate in the past.


I'd rather get Dedmon with the trade exception than to trade for him. I honestly don't think we could get much better than him with the trade exception unless we want to give up picks as well. The Kings are already trying to find suitors for him because they want to get rid of his contract and if they can't trade him, then we come right in next summer.

From our perspective, we can treat him like a huge expiring contract because he has a non guaranteed deal in 2021-22. He's shown he can be a servicable center as recently as last year and that's all we need. If he's good, we can guarantee his 2021-22 contract. If he sucks, we can cut him and he doesn't count against our cap for the 2021-22 season.


You have to trade for Dedmon if you want to fit him into the TE, which means you either send back salary or draft picks. Most likely picks if Sac just wants to shed salary.


We'd give them a protected second then.
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Post#1195 » by xdrta+ » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:12 am

BballIntellect wrote:
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I'd rather get Dedmon with the trade exception than to trade for him. I honestly don't think we could get much better than him with the trade exception unless we want to give up picks as well. The Kings are already trying to find suitors for him because they want to get rid of his contract and if they can't trade him, then we come right in next summer.

From our perspective, we can treat him like a huge expiring contract because he has a non guaranteed deal in 2021-22. He's shown he can be a servicable center as recently as last year and that's all we need. If he's good, we can guarantee his 2021-22 contract. If he sucks, we can cut him and he doesn't count against our cap for the 2021-22 season.


You have to trade for Dedmon if you want to fit him into the TE, which means you either send back salary or draft picks. Most likely picks if Sac just wants to shed salary.



We'd give them a protected second then.


That might be nice, but I've got a feeling they'll get better offers than that.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1196 » by BballIntellect » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:16 am

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You have to trade for Dedmon if you want to fit him into the TE, which means you either send back salary or draft picks. Most likely picks if Sac just wants to shed salary.



We'd give them a protected second then.


That might be nice, but I've got a feeling they'll get better offers than that.


Who do you think we can get with the TE? My expectations are low.
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Post#1197 » by xdrta+ » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:22 am

BballIntellect wrote:
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We'd give them a protected second then.


That might be nice, but I've got a feeling they'll get better offers than that.


Who do you think we can get with the TE? My expectations are low.


It's tough. You have to find someone that a team wants to dump, like Dedmon, but you'll always have to give up something. TEs are a mechanism for teams to get rid of salary, like the Warriors did with Iguodala, but there's a reason that most TEs go unused.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1198 » by BballIntellect » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 am

xdrta+ wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
That might be nice, but I've got a feeling they'll get better offers than that.


Who do you think we can get with the TE? My expectations are low.


It's tough. You have to find someone that a team wants to dump, like Dedmon, but you'll always have to give up something. TEs are a mechanism for teams to get rid of salary, like the Warriors did with Iguodala, but there's a reason that most TEs go unused.


I have my eyes set on Dedmon, Dieng, Trevor Ariza, Satoransky, Cory Joseph, Dante Exum, Al-Farouq Aminu, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington, Ilyasova.
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1199 » by cdubbz » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:31 am

BballIntellect wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:
Who do you think we can get with the TE? My expectations are low.


It's tough. You have to find someone that a team wants to dump, like Dedmon, but you'll always have to give up something. TEs are a mechanism for teams to get rid of salary, like the Warriors did with Iguodala, but there's a reason that most TEs go unused.


I have my eyes set on Dedmon, Dieng, Trevor Ariza, Satoransky, Cory Joseph, Dante Exum, Al-Farouq Aminu, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington, Ilyasova.


I've always been a Cory Joseph Fan, Aminu is a nice piece, Gibson I'll take if we have no other options
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Re: Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back) 

Post#1200 » by ahmetmekin » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:10 am

cdubbz wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
It's tough. You have to find someone that a team wants to dump, like Dedmon, but you'll always have to give up something. TEs are a mechanism for teams to get rid of salary, like the Warriors did with Iguodala, but there's a reason that most TEs go unused.


I have my eyes set on Dedmon, Dieng, Trevor Ariza, Satoransky, Cory Joseph, Dante Exum, Al-Farouq Aminu, Taj Gibson, Wayne Ellington, Ilyasova.


I've always been a Cory Joseph Fan, Aminu is a nice piece, Gibson I'll take if we have no other options

Ilyasova is a really good 3&D guy. He would be a very good backup for 3&4.

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