WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[and1GS]

Has he had 10 or more rebounds in any game this season?

Or more than 2 blocks?

Or scored over 25 points?

Uh...yes to the first 2. He scored 25 once as well.

[sonnyhill]

Has he had 10 or more rebounds in any game this season?

Or more than 2 blocks?

Or scored over 25 points?

Uh...yes to the first 2. He scored 25 once as well.

As we evaluate (and judge, too) Wiseman, we should also always keep in mind that the kid had only played 3 college games, had no summer league, an abbreviated camp, and started his NBA career at age 19.

If the team can work with Wiseman to become a better rebounder (a previous poster had stated that he did not see Wiseman as having issues with his hands, but rather, decision-making/reaction-time (makes sense)), better on-his-man/1-on-1 and help defender, and one "go-to" move on offense, could we see that as developmental win for Wiseman and the Warriors?

We are rooting for the kid to do well; and while it has been a disjointed process watching his development-and-regression, he is potentially the best center the team has drafted since Robert Parish (painfully, I have to put JB Carroll in here, too).

Wiseman, Poole, Manion seem to be spearheading the youth movement. It would be nice to see Paschall as a contributor to the youth brigade, too.

[and1GS]

Has he had 10 or more rebounds in any game this season?

Or more than 2 blocks?

Or scored over 25 points?

Uh...yes to the first 2. He scored 25 once as well.

As we evaluate (and judge, too) Wiseman, we should also always keep in mind that the kid had only played 3 college games, had no summer league, an abbreviated camp, and started his NBA career at age 19.

If the team can work with Wiseman to become a better rebounder (a previous poster had stated that he did not see Wiseman as having issues with his hands, but rather, decision-making/reaction-time (makes sense)), better on-his-man/1-on-1 and help defender, and one "go-to" move on offense, could we see that as developmental win for Wiseman and the Warriors?

We are rooting for the kid to do well; and while it has been a disjointed process watching his development-and-regression, he is potentially the best center the team has drafted since Robert Parish (painfully, I have to put JB Carroll in here, too).

Wiseman, Poole, Manion seem to be spearheading the youth movement. It would be nice to see Paschall as a contributor to the youth brigade, too.

If we're being honest I don't think everyone wants him to do well. I believe a lot of fans want to see a massive gulf of production between him and LaMelo so they can say 'I knew it all along! This was an easy pick! Wake up sheeple, I'm the world's best GM!' Some people also just like to complain.

Happened with Curry early on and happening now.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I want Wiseman to intentionally foul out in the first half of the next 5 games. I want him to completely forget about pick and role defense and perimeter defense. I want him to to play stupid ball on purpose and stop thinking.

I want him to try playing like a normal overreactive rookie. Chase every rebound before the shot leaves the shooters hand. Go after every possible block and bite on pump fakes and don't worry about knocking the shooter's teeth out. Be out of control reckless.

Run over somebody on an dunk attempt and hurt them and pick up the offensive foul and don't apologize.

I think Wiseman thinks to much and is too cautious. Rookies are not supposed to be cerebral. Just give a try as an exercise for 5 games just to incorporate some more aggressive unthinking reflexive ball into his game.

I have no worry about Wiseman as a future offensive player. A little JaVale plus a little Speights is good enough for me on offense.

My worry is that he will always think too much rather than react.

[shazam_guy]

If anything's going to make the kid overthink it's the constant second-guessing from fans and the constant comparisons to LaMelo, a different player in a different situation with a completely different background. Like Kerr said, Wiseman should have some fun.

[and1GS]

I want Wiseman to intentionally foul out in the first half of the next 5 games. I want him to completely forget about pick and role defense and perimeter defense. I want him to to play stupid ball on purpose and stop thinking.

I want him to try playing like a normal overreactive rookie. Chase every rebound before the shot leaves the shooters hand. Go after every possible block and bite on pump fakes and don't worry about knocking the shooter's teeth out. Be out of control reckless.

Run over somebody on an dunk attempt and hurt them and pick up the offensive foul and don't apologize.

I think Wiseman thinks to much and is too cautious. Rookies are not supposed to be cerebral. Just give a try as an exercise for 5 games just to incorporate some more aggressive unthinking reflexive ball into his game.

I have no worry about Wiseman as a future offensive player. A little JaVale plus a little Speights is good enough for me on offense.

My worry is that he will always think too much rather than react.

I think the essence of this post is especially cogent.

Stop over-thinking and play basketball. If it doesn't work, whatever, improve the next time. He was doing that to start the season, but in total he has had 4-5 extended absences in one season (missed training camp, injury, missed covid test, healthy and safety protocols once or twice...i forget).

I don't know if he's the basketball messiah, but I do know he's gotta loosen up a bit if he wants to be impactful. Because he's been largely a net negative in year 1.

[Old_Blue]

I wonder if Wiseman's psyche is already damaged and whether he'll eventually need a change of scenery - the way Markelle Fultz did.

[Mylie10]

I saw Wise have fun last night. That’s a first step. And he finished the game which is something he’s been wanting.

Also has two in a row without fouling out.

Once he gets that lower base down, I expect we see a much different player.

[TB]

Pretty funny how the most common "expectation" in the early part of this thread was a guess of around 12/6 with a couple blocks in 20-25 mpg.

Right now he's 21 mpg, 12 points, 6 boards, 1 block. Yet sure feels like nothing but doom and gloom about Wiseman.

I get it, the winning metrics are bad, and the eye test backs that because he's doing alot of things you'd expect from a 19 year old 7 footer. But, he's right where he needs to be. Just keep playing him rotation minutes and we are actually in a perfect spot of developing him while also keeping our pick.

[SF_Warriors]

The kid turns 20 tomorrow..happy birthday!

[TB]

The kid turns 20 tomorrow..happy birthday!

No longer has the teenager excuse, time to start averaging 20/10.

[SF_Warriors]

The kid turns 20 tomorrow..happy birthday!

No longer has the teenager excuse, time to start averaging 20/10.

It would be cool to see him getting more confident and being more assertive. Let's hope that is the case.

[clyde21]

I wonder if Wiseman's psyche is already damaged and whether he'll eventually need a change of scenery - the way Markelle Fultz did.

if his psyche is already 'damaged' dude never stood a chance anyway

[KevinMcreynolds]

what would his psyche be damaged from? I don't see the angle

[wco81]

I'm sure other NBA players are talking to him, when they beat him for baskets or prevent him from making plays.

[ILOVEIT]

Very pleased with what I saw against the Bulls. Relieved really. When he has a clean game with a couple of blocks and doesn't look like baby dear on weak legs...I'm happy

I hope we see more of this down the stretch. And he could get rookie of the year if we do.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I hate how they’ve turned him into strictly a rim runner. I think he was better in the first week of his career when he was launching 3’s and going coast to coast. I don’t care if he was out of control and reckless at times, that’s what makes him unique and worthy of a #2 pick.

I also didn’t like it at the time, but having him come off the bench was a good move. He was feasting on playing against 2nd units.

I feel like they’re mismanaging this kid like crazy.

[paco59]

In heat game, I saw they don't let him do iso at the block anymore. Bam stayed with him all the time instead help out. So that took away alot of his lob games.

[a8bil]

I just wonder where all the expectations are coming from. I'm pretty sure NBA consensus at the team level is that it takes a big a good 3-4 years to fully develop -- physically and mentally. I would expect for a player that had all of 3 games in college (and no training camp), that the full 3-4 years will be necessary for his development. Add to that his pre-professional training has been by a guard, not a big, and it is not surprising that the positive plays we have all seen are on the offensive end, and not on defense. I think his understanding of how to rebound in a league where he is no longer the biggest man on the court by a large measure is just beginning. Expecting JW's game to fully mature before 3 years is just wishful thinking, IMO.

The one physical deficiency I see in JW is that he doesn't have "spring". Antawn Jamison, for example, had a lot of bounce in him. He could get off the floor really quickly, with little effort. JW seemingly has to gather down low to jump and get any appreciable lift. That jumping process makes the ball vulnerable when he has it in his hands, makes him a tad slow to block shots and makes him appear shorter when in a crowd trying to gather rebounds. I don't know if it is the result of slow twitch muscles, or that he needs more strength in his quads...whatever the explanation, GSW trainers should work with JW to develop quicker hops, or conversely, to rely more on his height, reach and understanding of body positioning than trying to jump out of the gym. Duncan was dominant down low without any appreciable hops.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Id simplify things even more for him.

Rebound, just chase those boards even if u need to steal them from oubre.
Screen and run to the rim.
Take the 3 if open. No step back, no dribbling, no moves at all. Just shoot.
When in doubt, drop down coverage and just put your hands up.

Thats it.

Dont iso.
Dont post up.
Dont run a 1 man fast break.
Dont get stuck in no mans land.