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Twinkie defense · Post #121 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:11 am

Warriors won't get anyone through the waiver process because they are last in line ro make a claim and have no cap room.

Re. Brooke Lopez, Nets would not trade him for Iggy (rebuilding teams want draft picks and/or young players)... but anyway, I thought the idea was interior defense? The guy rebounds/defends on par with Steph Curry.

DynastySS · Post #122 » by **DynastySS** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:00 am

Remember when I said the Smith signing in Houston was a great move for the Warriors?

Too early to tell, but my prediction is looking good.

turk3d · Post #123 » by **turk3d** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:19 am

cdubbz wrote:
turk3d wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Josh Smith probably wasn't high on the Warriors radar, but anyway he said he would only sign with a team that would make him a starter, plus he is good friends with Dwight. I'm sure Warriors could have trumped the Mavs offer for Rondo, but he's pretty duplicative here, and would be a half-season rental. IDK if Brandon Wright is the right fit - pretty undersized? - but he could be had, would take a pick or promising young guy. KG would be very interesting, great fit, and there is the Boston/Lacob connection. But again that would take a pick or promising young player. Is it worth it to trade them Barnes or a 1st rounder and matching salary? Dubious, unless KG helps get the Warriors a Championship
Right now I think the FO is waiting out Jermaine O'Neal and Ray Allen. And if they miss out on those guys they will look at some fallbacks.

Veterans like Iggy and Lee are useful when the playoffs come around, where young guys often fade. And it's really pretty silly and ignorant to propose trading those guys without also laying out some plausible scenario for what we'd be getting back.

I'm not too sure that KG could really help us. He barely earns the 20 minutes he's getting. Old KG, yes, but even older KG, no thanks.

The only thing he does is shave off a year of Lee's deal. As a Center, don't thin so. Probably no better than Mo and probably not as good as Festus.

Well Andre Igluedola for KG works straight up. Not real enticing for the Nets to do so though unless. I do think KG can still be useful on a good team. I can see an impactful 20 mpg on the Warriors over the Nets simply because Warriors are on a level to possibly come out of the Western converence. Plus we can use another crazy guy on the team that will mix things up with the opponents.

If we're trading for KG or even Brooke Lopez, then we should be trading Lee, not Iggy imo. That'll work straight up as well.

bakesale · Post #124 » by **bakesale** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:23 am

Kuya wrote:It would obviously have to be a packaged trade to move either.

My argument here isn't who we should get, it's that it doesn't make sense for us to just stand pat while other teams have been making moves and are quickly gaining ground. We're not a lock for the #1 seed despite being in first place. Rebounding and rim protection has been a problem obviously.

dude relax, bogut will be back in a few weeks, by then Lee will have gotten in better shape and rhythm, ezeli hasn't been great but he will be fine as a back up for now, iggy played really well in our last game his effect on defence was awesome in the second half in particular.

Once bogut is back I'm pretty confident we will go on another big winning streak and thus solidify our number 1 seed.

Also teams like Dallas, lac and spurs have been a lot more inconsistent. I don't think there's anything to worry about just yet. We only worry if we sustain another major injury at the wrong time, but for now we are fine

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Twinkie defense · Post #125 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:41 am

Turk, why would Brooklyn want David Lee? They are trying to shed salary and rebuild.

Sam Lowry Jr · Post #126 » by **Sam Lowry Jr** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:05 pm

DynastySS wrote:Remember when I said the Smith signing in Houston was a great move for the Warriors?

Too early to tell, but my prediction is looking good.

Not sure about the Dubs, but the new look Pistons are 2-0 without Smith, including a 23 point drubbing of Cleveland in Cleveland. We'll wait and see, but could be a classic case of addition by subtraction for them.

californiadude · Post #127 » by **californiadude** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:25 pm

I could be wrong but I always thought Lopez was a decent rim protector. He obviously doesn't rebound but when I've watched him he's been decent. Does someone want to look up the numbers??? Maybe I'm off my nut. I don't really watch the nets unless their playing one of my teams.

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Mylie10 · Post #128 » by **Mylie10** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:27 pm

One of my teams? You have another basketball team you root for?

510TWSS · Post #129 » by **510TWSS** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:31 pm

bakesale wrote:
Kuya wrote:It would obviously have to be a packaged trade to move either.

My argument here isn't who we should get, it's that it doesn't make sense for us to just stand pat while other teams have been making moves and are quickly gaining ground. We're not a lock for the #1 seed despite being in first place. Rebounding and rim protection has been a problem obviously.
dude relax, bogut will be back in a few weeks, by then Lee will have gotten in better shape and rhythm, ezeli hasn't been great but he will be fine as a back up for now, iggy played really well in our last game his effect on defence was awesome in the second half in particular.

Once bogut is back I'm pretty confident we will go on another big winning streak and thus solidify our number 1 seed.

Also teams like Dallas, lac and spurs have been a lot more inconsistent. I don't think there's anything to worry about just yet. We only worry if we sustain another major injury at the wrong time, but for now we are fine

Spurs mainly because of early injuries. They should be fine and we should still be worried about them.

510TWSS · Post #130 » by **510TWSS** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:33 pm

Mylie10 wrote:One of my teams? You have another basketball team you root for?

Pshh you didn't know Brook also plays a mean Left Field for the Dodgers. 80 power and plays Right Tackle in his off time with the Skins.

Can't believe you didn't know that.

californiadude · Post #131 » by **californiadude** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:36 pm

Mylie10 wrote:One of my teams? You have another basketball team you root for?

No I have the league pass thing where you only pick 5 teams to watch (because I'm a cheapskate and it's a hundred bucks cheaper than buying all 30). In other words unless Brooklyn's playing the Ws, Bulls, Suns, Pels or Spurs. It's not even possible for me to watch them. I think I've only seen one Nets game this year.

Don't worry I haven't been cheating on the Warriors.

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turk3d · Post #132 » by **turk3d** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:49 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:Turk, why would Brooklyn want David Lee? They are trying to shed salary and rebuild.

I don't agree Twinkie. I think they are trying to make a playoff run. Lee becomes an expiring next year so his contract (now) really isn't that bad and KG sucks at this stage of his career. Lee would give them so much more at this point. Plus Lee gives them some backup Center minutes (which I don't believe KG can). At least that's my opinion Twinkie.

Biggest problem could be KG agreeing to it, since I think he has a no-trade clause in his contract and may prefer to stay on the East Coast. Probably a pretty unlikely deal but worth at least discussing. KG wouldn't really matter much to us with Dray, Mo and Barnes. Best reason to do it imo would be to shave a year off of Lee's deal. Lee gives the Nets some front court scoring which they could use which is why I think it makes sense for them.

californiadude · Post #133 » by **californiadude** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:03 pm

turk3d wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Turk, why would Brooklyn want David Lee? They are trying to shed salary and rebuild.

I don't agree Twinkie. I think they are trying to make a playoff run. Lee becomes an expiring next year so his contract (now) really isn't that bad and KG sucks at this stage of his career. Lee would give them so much more at this point. Plus Lee gives them some backup Center minutes (which I don't believe KG can). At least that's my opinion Twinkie.

Biggest problem could be KG agreeing to it, since I think he has a no-trade clause in his contract and may prefer to stay on the East Coast. Probably a pretty unlikely deal but worth at least discussing. KG wouldn't really matter much to us with Dray, Mo and Barnes. Best reason to do it imo would be to shave a year off of Lee's deal. Lee gives the Nets some front court scoring which they could use which is why I think it makes sense for them.

Since KG lives in Malibu...I think he might like the change.

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Mylie10 · Post #134 » by **Mylie10** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:29 pm

Turk....KG has often been their center.

What is your hang up with certain guys playing center?

You said Speights should never play center, and he's been arguably the best backup center in basketball. You went on and on about Udoh not being able to play center back in the day even though his skill set fit center perfectly.

At this point in his career KG is effectively playing center. When Brook is healthy they will start kg at power forward, but that's to get their best five on the floor.

KG would be a good center option for us because he still plays hard on D....he's still 6'11", and he was grabbing 8.5 rebounds in around 25 or so minutes...haven't looked recently at those numbers. But that's all we would need from him....and him getting to play for a contender should get his juices going again for a final run.

Doubt it happens though because I agree with Twink that they'd rather cut salary, not add to it.

cdubbz · Post #135 » by **cdubbz** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:34 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:Turk, why would Brooklyn want David Lee? They are trying to shed salary and rebuild.

There's no notable free agents this coming off season. If we trade David Lee to the Nets for KG, the Nets can continue to be bad next season and have Brook Lopez & David Lee come off the salary in 2016 -- isn't Durant a free agent next summer?

Just not sure about their luxury tax situation.

turk3d · Post #136 » by **turk3d** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:06 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Turk....KG has often been their center.

What is your hang up with certain guys playing center?

You said Speights should never play center, and he's been arguably the best backup center in basketball. You went on and on about Udoh not being able to play center back in the day even though his skill set fit center perfectly.

At this point in his career KG is effectively playing center. When Brook is healthy they will start kg at power forward, but that's to get their best five on the floor.

KG would be a good center option for us because he still plays hard on D....he's still 6'11", and he was grabbing 8.5 rebounds in around 25 or so minutes...haven't looked recently at those numbers. But that's all we would need from him....and him getting to play for a contender should get his juices going again for a final run.

Doubt it happens though because I agree with Twink that they'd rather cut salary, not add to it.

KG never wanted to play Center. And with Lopez (when he was healthy) and Plumlee, the only reason for it is when someone is hurt or they're in foul trouble (only reason we've seen so much of Mo there). And Mo's a much better perimeter shooter tha KG who is shooting well below his career average (~ 50%) and has been down the past two years (44%).

Is KG a better defender than Mo? Perhaps, but @ PF and I'm just assuming he still is. And Udoh sucks. The only reason he played for us is that Biedrins sucked worse and we didn't have anyone else. We see how much he's playing today. Can't get of the bench for the Clippers and couldn't get off it for the terrible Bucks. And are you sure that KG's been getting many minutes @ Center this season? KG is not the same player that he used to be. He's tall enough to be a Center (taller than Mo) but quite a bit lighter.

And is you're going small it makes sense, but I'd rather go big if we have the bigs to do it, but if we don't have them, you really don't have much of a choice. I would much rather have had a motivated Biedrins playing Center for us than Udoh. I'd even have preferred Monroe over him (if we drafted him instead) or AR if we had kept him instead of making that ridiculous trade for Lee (at the time) and his albatross contract which we're finally getting over. I'd take Lee (who's already proven himself at the position) at Center at this point their careers over KG.

turk3d · Post #137 » by **turk3d** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:07 pm

californiadude wrote:
turk3d wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Turk, why would Brooklyn want David Lee? They are trying to shed salary and rebuild.

I don't agree Twinkie. I think they are trying to make a playoff run. Lee becomes an expiring next year so his contract (now) really isn't that bad and KG sucks at this stage of his career. Lee would give them so much more at this point. Plus Lee gives them some backup Center minutes (which I don't believe KG can). At least that's my opinion Twinkie.

Biggest problem could be KG agreeing to it, since I think he has a no-trade clause in his contract and may prefer to stay on the East Coast. Probably a pretty unlikely deal but worth at least discussing. KG wouldn't really matter much to us with Dray, Mo and Barnes. Best reason to do it imo would be to shave a year off of Lee's deal. Lee gives the Nets some front court scoring which they could use which is why I think it makes sense for them.

Since KG lives in Malibu...I think he might like the change.

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Wasn't aware of that.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #138 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:43 pm

KG played a lot of Center for the Celtics especially after Perkins was traded. It would be nice to have KG on the Warriors but without giving up anything of value.

How do we get KG for Kuzmic, money and 2nd round draft picks without having a salary cap or luxury tax problem?

californiadude · Post #139 » by **californiadude** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:49 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:KG played a lot of Center for the Celtics especially after Perkins was traded. It would be nice to have KG on the Warriors but without giving up anything of value.

How do we get KG for Kuzmic, money and 2nd round draft picks without having a salary cap or luxury tax problem?

We don't. Unless KG want's to restructure his deal.

turk3d · Post #140 » by **turk3d** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:35 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:KG played a lot of Center for the Celtics especially after Perkins was traded. It would be nice to have KG on the Warriors but without giving up anything of value.

How do we get KG for Kuzmic, money and 2nd round draft picks without having a salary cap or luxury tax problem?

That was before (he still was pretty good back then and averaged close to 32 mpg). This was on a pretty weak team as far as Centers go (Greg Stiemsma, Ryan Hollins, Jermain O'neal, Chris Wilcox). I just don't think that KG has it in him anymore to give us productive minutes at the Center spot. I do believe he could give us some additional toughness at PF though.