2020 Draft Thread

[No-Man]

the move is to trade D'Lo for a couple good players with solid contracts and draft Edwards

ideally you get Aaron Gordon for Russell

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[Onus]

The problem with this draft is that there is no top prospect that really fills our needs. The best course of action is to trade the pick. I'm hoping the Sixers falter and they realize they need to trade Simmons or Embiid and we can package Dlo, the top pick plus whatever else for Simmons or even better Giannis.

Why would we need Simmons when we already have Draymond who's another non shooting threat?!? Not to mention the center of the team would probably be Looney or WCS. That makes for 3 non shooting threats in the same lineup. This is about to be 2020. Not 2000.

There's two main reasons why the Raptors beat us in the playoffs : We couldn't stop their pick and roll to save our lives and we only had two consistent outside shooters (the two best ever but still the only ones on the team).

This is why the Raptors could run a box and one successfully on us. The Raptors didn't fear anybody on the team but Steph to shoot the ball and they were right in their approach. They had at least four capable shooters on the floor at all times. We only had two and then no one but Steph once Klay went down. That makes a huge difference.

I’d play Simmons at center and have Draymond and Simmons push the ball and see who is going to be able to keep up. Simmons is what 6’11

[shazam_guy]

I don't really care enough this early to argue much on behalf or against anyone, but I don't think we're going to get Edwards OR Wiseman. Already we're winning a few games here and there, and if Curry comes back we're going to win a few more. We won't make the playoffs and we won't probably won't get near .500, but there may be as many as ten teams or more with worse records come the end of the season. So my suggestion would be to adjust your sights to something more like the 9-12 range of picks.

[BballIntellect]

The problem with this draft is that there is no top prospect that really fills our needs. The best course of action is to trade the pick. I'm hoping the Sixers falter and they realize they need to trade Simmons or Embiid and we can package Dlo, the top pick plus whatever else for Simmons or even better Giannis.

Why would we need Simmons when we already have Draymond who's another non shooting threat?!? Not to mention the center of the team would probably be Looney or WCS. That makes for 3 non shooting threats in the same lineup. This is about to be 2020. Not 2000.

There's two main reasons why the Raptors beat us in the playoffs : We couldn't stop their pick and roll to save our lives and we only had two consistent outside shooters (the two best ever but still the only ones on the team).

This is why the Raptors could run a box and one successfully on us. The Raptors didn't fear anybody on the team but Steph to shoot the ball and they were right in their approach. They had at least four capable shooters on the floor at all times. We only had two and then no one but Steph once Klay went down. That makes a huge difference.

I’d play Simmons at center and have Draymond and Simmons push the ball and see who is going to be able to keep up. Simmons is what 6’11

I see the idea but this is too much shooting liability on the same floor. Ben Simmons won't even attempt a jump shot. At least, Draymond is a mini threat. Teams are going to load up on Steph and Klay and make anyone else beat them.

Most of the times, Steph and Klay are still going to beat teams because of how talented they are but in a playoffs series this is going to be grueling on them.

Also, I don't know if Simmons has the motor and the drive in him. He had a phenomenal rookie year but he's barely improved since then. That's a bad sign.

[BballIntellect]

I don't really care enough this early to argue much on behalf or against anyone, but I don't think we're going to get Edwards OR Wiseman. Already we're winning a few games here and there, and if Curry comes back we're going to win a few more. We won't make the playoffs and we won't probably won't get near .500, but there may be as many as ten teams or more with worse records come the end of the season. So my suggestion would be to adjust your sights to something more like the 9-12 range of picks.

I think that even with all the injuries and with Steph coming back by the all star game, we could win 30 games. But we'll most likely win between 20 and 25 games with all the early games we blew and with winning not being our priority this year.

The thing is we should prepare for the possibility on not drafting what you would call a sure thing (Wiseman, Edwards or maybe even in some people eyes Lamelo.) There's a very real possibility we draft a rookie that has great potential but that's not a game changer.

[wco81]

Yeah Edwards may be a streaky chucker than say a Bradley Beal.

If the Warriors get a high pick, let’s hope Edwards gets to play in a couple of NCAA tournament games.

[Onus]

Why would we need Simmons when we already have Draymond who's another non shooting threat?!? Not to mention the center of the team would probably be Looney or WCS. That makes for 3 non shooting threats in the same lineup. This is about to be 2020. Not 2000.

There's two main reasons why the Raptors beat us in the playoffs : We couldn't stop their pick and roll to save our lives and we only had two consistent outside shooters (the two best ever but still the only ones on the team).

This is why the Raptors could run a box and one successfully on us. The Raptors didn't fear anybody on the team but Steph to shoot the ball and they were right in their approach. They had at least four capable shooters on the floor at all times. We only had two and then no one but Steph once Klay went down. That makes a huge difference.

I’d play Simmons at center and have Draymond and Simmons push the ball and see who is going to be able to keep up. Simmons is what 6’11

I see the idea but this is too much shooting liability on the same floor. Ben Simmons won't even attempt a jump shot. At least, Draymond is a mini threat. Teams are going to load up on Steph and Klay and make anyone else beat them.

Most of the times, Steph and Klay are still going to beat teams because of how talented they are but in a playoffs series this is going to be grueling on them.

Also, I don't know if Simmons has the motor and the drive in him. He had a phenomenal rookie year but he's barely improved since then. That's a bad sign.

Simmons biggest problem is that the paint is always clogged so he can’t do anything in phi. They for some reason went out and signed Horford which just clogs it up even more and Simmons isn’t doing anything if the the defense can just sag into the paint with impunity. You open up the paint with more shooting and he’ll be better. IF he and giannis were to switch places Simmons would be showing out at the very least doing much better than he is now.

[BballIntellect]

I’d play Simmons at center and have Draymond and Simmons push the ball and see who is going to be able to keep up. Simmons is what 6’11

I see the idea but this is too much shooting liability on the same floor. Ben Simmons won't even attempt a jump shot. At least, Draymond is a mini threat. Teams are going to load up on Steph and Klay and make anyone else beat them.

Most of the times, Steph and Klay are still going to beat teams because of how talented they are but in a playoffs series this is going to be grueling on them.

Also, I don't know if Simmons has the motor and the drive in him. He had a phenomenal rookie year but he's barely improved since then. That's a bad sign.

Simmons biggest problem is that the paint is always clogged so he can’t do anything in phi. They for some reason went out and signed Horford which just clogs it up even more and Simmons isn’t doing anything if the the defense can just sag into the paint with impunity. You open up the paint with more shooting and he’ll be better. IF he and giannis were to switch places Simmons would be showing out at the very least doing much better than he is now.

Maybe Simmons wouldn't be quite as good as current Giannis. But I completely agree with the fact that a team built like the Bucks would be ideal for his playstyle because they play 5 out almost all game but the thing is the Warriors wouldn't be playing 5 out with Draymond and Simmons sharing the floor together. This is why I have my concerns.

Also lets say you have a lineup of Steph, Klay, Simmons, Draymond and X player. Does Steph become the third main ball handler in this scenario behind Draymond and Simmons?

He would essentially become JJ Reddick. That would be putting his talents to waste. The genius of Steph is he can do it all. With and without the ball in his hands and that's what makes him unpredictable and such a threat.

With that particular lineup, Steph would barely be getting the ball because you have two other players who like to control the offense and pass but who are no threats to make a jump shot.

The key to the Warriors and Steph success is balance and you would lose it right there. Steph would become a 6/2 shooting guard coming off screens all games. Not even trying to shake his defenders with his handles or attempting much of anything off the dribble.

[superunknown]

simmons and green offensively would be two of a kind. either one or the other.

[Onus]

I see the idea but this is too much shooting liability on the same floor. Ben Simmons won't even attempt a jump shot. At least, Draymond is a mini threat. Teams are going to load up on Steph and Klay and make anyone else beat them.

Most of the times, Steph and Klay are still going to beat teams because of how talented they are but in a playoffs series this is going to be grueling on them.

Also, I don't know if Simmons has the motor and the drive in him. He had a phenomenal rookie year but he's barely improved since then. That's a bad sign.

Simmons biggest problem is that the paint is always clogged so he can’t do anything in phi. They for some reason went out and signed Horford which just clogs it up even more and Simmons isn’t doing anything if the the defense can just sag into the paint with impunity. You open up the paint with more shooting and he’ll be better. IF he and giannis were to switch places Simmons would be showing out at the very least doing much better than he is now.

Maybe Simmons wouldn't be quite as good as current Giannis. But I completely agree with the fact that a team built like the Bucks would be ideal for his playstyle because they play 5 out almost all game but the thing is the Warriors wouldn't be playing 5 out with Draymond and Simmons sharing the floor together. This is why I have my concerns.

Also lets say you have a lineup of Steph, Klay, Simmons, Draymond and X player. Does Steph become the third main ball handler in this scenario behind Draymond and Simmons?

He would essentially become JJ Reddick. That would be putting his talents to waste. The genius of Steph is he can do it all. With and without the ball in his hands and that's what makes him unpredictable and such a threat.

With that particular lineup, Steph would barely be getting the ball because you have two other players who like to control the offense and pass but who are no threats to make a jump shot.

The key to the Warriors and Steph success is balance and you would lose it right there. Steph would become a 6/2 shooting guard coming off screens all games. Not even trying to shake his defenders with his handles or attempting much of anything off the dribble.

Kerr doesn’t want the ball in stephs hands for whatever reason. In any case Simmons can play the dunker spot when steph and Draymond play pick and roll at the end.

[GswStorm3]

The problem with this draft is that there is no top prospect that really fills our needs. The best course of action is to trade the pick. I'm hoping the Sixers falter and they realize they need to trade Simmons or Embiid and we can package Dlo, the top pick plus whatever else for Simmons or even better Giannis.

Why would we need Simmons when we already have Draymond who's another non shooting threat?!? Not to mention the center of the team would probably be Looney or WCS. That makes for 3 non shooting threats in the same lineup. This is about to be 2020. Not 2000.

There's two main reasons why the Raptors beat us in the playoffs : We couldn't stop their pick and roll to save our lives and we only had two consistent outside shooters (the two best ever but still the only ones on the team).

This is why the Raptors could run a box and one successfully on us. The Raptors didn't fear anybody on the team but Steph to shoot the ball and they were right in their approach. They had at least four capable shooters on the floor at all times. We only had two and then no one but Steph once Klay went down. That makes a huge difference.

While that's true Simmons gets to the rim a lot better than Draymond. I think he would thrive tremendously from the spacing from Steph and Klay.

[Coxy]

The problem with this draft is that there is no top prospect that really fills our needs. The best course of action is to trade the pick. I'm hoping the Sixers falter and they realize they need to trade Simmons or Embiid and we can package Dlo, the top pick plus whatever else for Simmons or even better Giannis.

Why would we need Simmons when we already have Draymond who's another non shooting threat?!? Not to mention the center of the team would probably be Looney or WCS. That makes for 3 non shooting threats in the same lineup. This is about to be 2020. Not 2000.

There's two main reasons why the Raptors beat us in the playoffs : We couldn't stop their pick and roll to save our lives and we only had two consistent outside shooters (the two best ever but still the only ones on the team).

This is why the Raptors could run a box and one successfully on us. The Raptors didn't fear anybody on the team but Steph to shoot the ball and they were right in their approach. They had at least four capable shooters on the floor at all times. We only had two and then no one but Steph once Klay went down. That makes a huge difference.

While that's true Simmons gets to the rim a lot better than Draymond. I think he would thrive tremendously from the spacing from Steph and Klay.

Simmons thrives in an uptempo game, same as Curry, Klay and Dray. They can make it work, however, when can a team play the uptempo style? They can play it when they can get consistent, regular stops on defense. That means we need a shot changer, a rim protector on the squad that can help get us the stops to get out and run. We don't have Durant anymore, he was a luxury and provided that rim protection in his own way as well, but without him, we need to go back to when we had Bogut, that is the key for mine. Simmons, yeah great, go get him if we can, but we won't have any further success in the Curry/Klay/Dray era without a big man rim protector putting the fear of poop into players coming into the paint.

[BballIntellect]

Why would we need Simmons when we already have Draymond who's another non shooting threat?!? Not to mention the center of the team would probably be Looney or WCS. That makes for 3 non shooting threats in the same lineup. This is about to be 2020. Not 2000.

There's two main reasons why the Raptors beat us in the playoffs : We couldn't stop their pick and roll to save our lives and we only had two consistent outside shooters (the two best ever but still the only ones on the team).

This is why the Raptors could run a box and one successfully on us. The Raptors didn't fear anybody on the team but Steph to shoot the ball and they were right in their approach. They had at least four capable shooters on the floor at all times. We only had two and then no one but Steph once Klay went down. That makes a huge difference.

While that's true Simmons gets to the rim a lot better than Draymond. I think he would thrive tremendously from the spacing from Steph and Klay.

Simmons thrives in an uptempo game, same as Curry, Klay and Dray. They can make it work, however, when can a team play the uptempo style? They can play it when they can get consistent, regular stops on defense. That means we need a shot changer, a rim protector on the squad that can help get us the stops to get out and run. We don't have Durant anymore, he was a luxury and provided that rim protection in his own way as well, but without him, we need to go back to when we had Bogut, that is the key for mine. Simmons, yeah great, go get him if we can, but we won't have any further success in the Curry/Klay/Dray era without a big man rim protector putting the fear of poop into players coming into the paint.

We also can't forget that Steph/Klay/Dray will be 6 years older at the start of next year than they were when the run started.

As much as it pains me to say, I don't think Curry is MVP caliber anymore.

He has way too many off nights compared to before. Even when KD was playing, it's been happening more and more. He may be closer to the 10th best player than the best player in the league going forward.

Draymond who's been the second most important member of the trio has simply been trending downwards each year since 2016. Doesn't mean he still can't turn it on. We saw what he could do last playoffs but he's still declining.

Klay was the only one who was still making significant strides and getting better but now he'll come back off a torn ACL.

Also from 2013 to 2017, those guys barely missed any games. Since 2017, they got injury prone (especially Steph and Draymond) but it didn't matter since their talent was so overwhelming. Now it will matter.

[freypies]

While that's true Simmons gets to the rim a lot better than Draymond. I think he would thrive tremendously from the spacing from Steph and Klay.

Simmons thrives in an uptempo game, same as Curry, Klay and Dray. They can make it work, however, when can a team play the uptempo style? They can play it when they can get consistent, regular stops on defense. That means we need a shot changer, a rim protector on the squad that can help get us the stops to get out and run. We don't have Durant anymore, he was a luxury and provided that rim protection in his own way as well, but without him, we need to go back to when we had Bogut, that is the key for mine. Simmons, yeah great, go get him if we can, but we won't have any further success in the Curry/Klay/Dray era without a big man rim protector putting the fear of poop into players coming into the paint.

We also can't forget that Steph/Klay/Dray will be 6 years older at the start of next year than they were when the run started.

As much as it pains me to say, I don't think Curry is MVP caliber anymore.

He has way too many off nights compared to before. Even when KD was playing, it's been happening more and more. He may be closer to the 10th best player than the best player in the league going forward.

Draymond who's been the second most important member of the trio has simply been trending downwards each year since 2016. Doesn't mean he still can't turn it on. We saw what he could do last playoffs but he's still declining.

Klay was the only one who was still making significant strides and getting better but now he'll come back off a torn ACL.

Also from 2013 to 2017, those guys barely missed any games. Since 2017, they got injury prone (especially Steph and Draymond) but it didn't matter since their talent was so overwhelming. Now it will matter.

Hmmm I definitely still think Curry is MVP calibre. He had amazing seasons in 2018 and 2019, and I'm pretty sure he would have been in MVP conversations if he had not missed games. He was better than Durant in both seasons, and that was reflected in him finishing higher in the MVP standings. I think playing with Durant also meant that he or Durant didn't have their rhythm on certain nights, so both their production was pretty bad. He was also the best player in the playoffs after Durant went down, averaging close to 33PPG on 60%+ TS. The offense with just Curry on the floor with non-starters against the Raptors had almost the same offensive rating as the Buck's starting lineup, which is incredible.

On Draymond, I agree with you, and am more worried about - he hasn't looked the same for 1.5 years now. I'm not sure about your point on Klay - I personally think his season last year was not great, especially with the amount of times he tried to create one-on-one offense and got tunnel vision, leading to missed opportunities to pass and a bad shot going up. He was great in the finals, yes, but I was not personally impressed by the rest of his play last season.

I think this "gap year" can benefit all three of them and help them get their legs back underneath, and re-evaluate things moving forward. Last year seemed to be a mess in regards to chemistry, exhaustion, and growing worries about the Free Agency. None of that is present anymore, I think with good chemistry and time to recuperate, hopefully they can come back guns blazing. If we are lucky with no more injuries next year, I think we can go all the way.

[Coxy]

Simmons thrives in an uptempo game, same as Curry, Klay and Dray. They can make it work, however, when can a team play the uptempo style? They can play it when they can get consistent, regular stops on defense. That means we need a shot changer, a rim protector on the squad that can help get us the stops to get out and run. We don't have Durant anymore, he was a luxury and provided that rim protection in his own way as well, but without him, we need to go back to when we had Bogut, that is the key for mine. Simmons, yeah great, go get him if we can, but we won't have any further success in the Curry/Klay/Dray era without a big man rim protector putting the fear of poop into players coming into the paint.

We also can't forget that Steph/Klay/Dray will be 6 years older at the start of next year than they were when the run started.

As much as it pains me to say, I don't think Curry is MVP caliber anymore.

He has way too many off nights compared to before. Even when KD was playing, it's been happening more and more. He may be closer to the 10th best player than the best player in the league going forward.

Draymond who's been the second most important member of the trio has simply been trending downwards each year since 2016. Doesn't mean he still can't turn it on. We saw what he could do last playoffs but he's still declining.

Klay was the only one who was still making significant strides and getting better but now he'll come back off a torn ACL.

Also from 2013 to 2017, those guys barely missed any games. Since 2017, they got injury prone (especially Steph and Draymond) but it didn't matter since their talent was so overwhelming. Now it will matter.

Hmmm I definitely still think Curry is MVP calibre. He had amazing seasons in 2018 and 2019, and I'm pretty sure he would have been in MVP conversations if he had not missed games. He was better than Durant in both seasons, and that was reflected in him finishing higher in the MVP standings. I think playing with Durant also meant that he or Durant didn't have their rhythm on certain nights, so both their production was pretty bad. He was also the best player in the playoffs after Durant went down, averaging close to 33PPG on 60%+ TS. The offense with just Curry on the floor with non-starters against the Raptors had almost the same offensive rating as the Buck's starting lineup, which is incredible.

On Draymond, I agree with you, and am more worried about - he hasn't looked the same for 1.5 years now. I'm not sure about your point on Klay - I personally think his season last year was not great, especially with the amount of times he tried to create one-on-one offense and got tunnel vision, leading to missed opportunities to pass and a bad shot going up. He was great in the finals, yes, but I was not personally impressed by the rest of his play last season.

I think this "gap year" can benefit all three of them and help them get their legs back underneath, and re-evaluate things moving forward. Last year seemed to be a mess in regards to chemistry, exhaustion, and growing worries about the Free Agency. None of that is present anymore, I think with good chemistry and time to recuperate, hopefully they can come back guns blazing. If we are lucky with no more injuries next year, I think we can go all the way.

Personally, maybe an unpopular opinion, but unless we turn DLo and our 1st this year into another young and hungry position of need player, then I think we have entered the zone of past glory.

[freypies]

We also can't forget that Steph/Klay/Dray will be 6 years older at the start of next year than they were when the run started.

As much as it pains me to say, I don't think Curry is MVP caliber anymore.

He has way too many off nights compared to before. Even when KD was playing, it's been happening more and more. He may be closer to the 10th best player than the best player in the league going forward.

Draymond who's been the second most important member of the trio has simply been trending downwards each year since 2016. Doesn't mean he still can't turn it on. We saw what he could do last playoffs but he's still declining.

Klay was the only one who was still making significant strides and getting better but now he'll come back off a torn ACL.

Also from 2013 to 2017, those guys barely missed any games. Since 2017, they got injury prone (especially Steph and Draymond) but it didn't matter since their talent was so overwhelming. Now it will matter.

Hmmm I definitely still think Curry is MVP calibre. He had amazing seasons in 2018 and 2019, and I'm pretty sure he would have been in MVP conversations if he had not missed games. He was better than Durant in both seasons, and that was reflected in him finishing higher in the MVP standings. I think playing with Durant also meant that he or Durant didn't have their rhythm on certain nights, so both their production was pretty bad. He was also the best player in the playoffs after Durant went down, averaging close to 33PPG on 60%+ TS. The offense with just Curry on the floor with non-starters against the Raptors had almost the same offensive rating as the Buck's starting lineup, which is incredible.

On Draymond, I agree with you, and am more worried about - he hasn't looked the same for 1.5 years now. I'm not sure about your point on Klay - I personally think his season last year was not great, especially with the amount of times he tried to create one-on-one offense and got tunnel vision, leading to missed opportunities to pass and a bad shot going up. He was great in the finals, yes, but I was not personally impressed by the rest of his play last season. We do have a championship window the next few years, but I don't think it'll last much longer than 3 or so years.

I think this "gap year" can benefit all three of them and help them get their legs back underneath, and re-evaluate things moving forward. Last year seemed to be a mess in regards to chemistry, exhaustion, and growing worries about the Free Agency. None of that is present anymore, I think with good chemistry and time to recuperate, hopefully they can come back guns blazing. If we are lucky with no more injuries next year, I think we can go all the way.

Personally, maybe an unpopular opinion, but unless we turn DLo and our 1st this year into another young and hungry position of need player, then I think we have entered the zone of past glory.

I do agree D'Lo needs to be traded. Our two weakest spots right now are a true big man and a wing who can shoot 3's, cut well, and defend. If both those things can be addressed, we have a shot. Otherwise I think we match up very poorly with Lakers, Clippers, and even teams like Philly with their size advantage.

[Mylie10]

The Sixers aren't in some crisis people. I seriously doubt they are trading Simmons, and I seriously doubt it's be for Russell. So let's move on from that one.

[cdubbz]

dang. Cole Anthony is making me believe he is really great. I'm so used to seeing Uber athletic elite HS point guards fizzle in the NCAA That I out him in that category.

I'd only draft Cole with intentions of getting a nice haul for Dlo though. He'd be great as Currys replacement in 4-5years

[Mylie10]

dang. Cole Anthony is making me believe he is really great. I'm so used to seeing Uber athletic elite HS point guards fizzle in the NCAA That I out him in that category.

I'd only draft Cole with intentions of getting a nice haul for Dlo though. He'd be great as Currys replacement in 4-5years

Cole is a winner to me. I love winners.

[BballIntellect]

dang. Cole Anthony is making me believe he is really great. I'm so used to seeing Uber athletic elite HS point guards fizzle in the NCAA That I out him in that category.

I'd only draft Cole with intentions of getting a nice haul for Dlo though. He'd be great as Currys replacement in 4-5years

Cole is a winner to me. I love winners.

Cole is great and he could be a great potential pick but the thing is he's literally another point guard. And it's not like he can play another position either. Curry is still in his prime so that means Cole would come off the bench for the foreseeable future. He could become a super sub but he can only do so much to help the team in that context.

And that's the case with every point guard in the draft, they would be great if we were in a long term rebuild but the thing is we'll have our all star backcourt returning next year and our deadly trio back together still in their prime or just outside of it in Draymond's case.