2021 Draft Thread

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Right there with ya. He has solidified the 6th spot for me now, and thats mainly because the top 5 is just so incredibly good this year. I want to hop above Kuminga, but he's got serious potential at being a Tatum type of player. Every once in a while I wonder if I'm sleeping on Kuminga when his upside might be higher than anyone in the draft...

Kuminga is pretty far behind Tatum as a polished scorer at the same age though he did start basketball at a later stage in life. He seems much more like a Jaylen brown to me where he has the athleticism and tools but will need to polish his skills. It may take him longer to become an all star type player but he definitely has that type of potential.

I’m not sure what type of ceiling sengun has as of right now. Is it jokic, love, cousins, sabonis or valanciunas?

Agreed on Kuminga. Watching Kuminga play just made me appreciate Green more. Loads of potential sure but he's not "there" yet.

I'd stay away from Kuminga. He's young and inconsistent from the G-League games he's played. I'm sure you'd agree he wouldn't fit into the timeline of Curry, Thompson, and Green.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

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This kid is special. Athleticism and length are my only concerns, but I think there are enough slow movers in the NBA to prove that high IQ, skill, passion can overcome being a step behind athletically.

Bro, I think I may have discovered another player that can be very useful in the frontcourt alongside Wiseman (If he sticks) and Looney: Sandro Mamukelashvili out of Seton Hall (6'11", PF/C, Senior). Just watching a couple videos, I'd say he's even better than both Sengun and Petrusev -- Dependent on what aspect of the game you decide to focus on. Definitely a point forward and even point center that we can use, and they don't come along all too often.

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A PG in a 6'11" big man's body; superb ball-handling and vision looking for cutting and teammates on the perimeter. Offensive versatility as he has both an inside and outside game (Has a nice shooting stroke/form that just needs to stay consistent). His floor: Dario Saric; Ceiling: Nikola Jokic. Only knock to his game is his defensive intensity/fundamentals; Would hope Draymond can help him turn that around or at least make him competent enough to compete on that end.

Wouldn't mind trading Poole, Paschall or sign-and-trade Oubre for a mid-to-late 2021 pick to grab him (Or use our #14 pick and leap-frog over other younger prospects who won't contribute much but keeping seats warm on the bench; He's NBA-ready and ready to contribute now.. Just what Curry and the gang want.).

[Quazza]

Probably biased , but I want Giddey.

(Actually, absolutely biased , he's the only kid I've really paid attention to. We need another triple hard pouch rider )

[Old_Blue]

Sengun's "highlight" reel is hilarious. Nearly every clip included some kind of foul, whether it was on offense using his elbow to jab the defender or on defense jumping into the landing space of the shooter. He can clearly pass. But, we're in need of a big who plays the interior - not one who likes to camp at the perimeter. Nobody should get too excited about the two blocks against the backboard either. Both were against a 6'3" guard named Berk Ugurlu who'll never sniff an NBA locker room. Easy pass.

[Scoots1994]

Kuminga is pretty far behind Tatum as a polished scorer at the same age though he did start basketball at a later stage in life. He seems much more like a Jaylen brown to me where he has the athleticism and tools but will need to polish his skills. It may take him longer to become an all star type player but he definitely has that type of potential.

I’m not sure what type of ceiling sengun has as of right now. Is it jokic, love, cousins, sabonis or valanciunas?

Agreed on Kuminga. Watching Kuminga play just made me appreciate Green more. Loads of potential sure but he's not "there" yet.

I'd stay away from Kuminga. He's young and inconsistent from the G-League games he's played. I'm sure you'd agree he wouldn't fit into the timeline of Curry, Thompson, and Green.

If the Warriors get the #6 pick and Kuminga is on the board they have to consider him. The timeline, while a factor, can't force a team to take a lesser NBA player.

That said I don't really have much faith in Kuminga but I think there is a reasonable chance he's a much better pro than Moody, Bouknight, Mitchell, Kispert, or Wagner, and for him to be on the board at #6 I kind of assume Barnes is the one who pushed him down to #6 so he's not an option.

I like those players too, but their potential is not really close to Kumingas and that high in the draft potential is a major factor in who you pick because missing a superstar hurts forever.

In order I'd take (at the moment)
Cade
Mobley
Green
Suggs

Those ones are pretty easy, after that it gets harder and the next 3 are much closer together for me

Kuminga
Moody
Barnes

But really after Suggs everyone else are going to be separated by pre-draft prep/combine/tryouts/interviews. Are the Euro's going to test as athletic as they look on tape? Are these guys going to demonstrate a good understanding of the game in a way that will work for the Warriors?

But I'm still hoping to get #1 and #4 and REALLY piss off the rest of the NBA fans.

[The-Power]

But, we're in need of a big who plays the interior - not one who likes to camp at the perimeter.

The guy who scores 19.2 PPG while taking 0.7 3PA/G camps at the perimeter and doesn't play the interior? That's... interesting.

[mos_def]

Probably biased , but I want Giddey. We need another triple hard pouch rider )

What does that even mean?
They dog him for his shooting. Who do you comp him to? Turkoglu?

[GSWFan1994]

Sengun's "highlight" reel is hilarious. Nearly every clip included some kind of foul, whether it was on offense using his elbow to jab the defender or on defense jumping into the landing space of the shooter. He can clearly pass. But, we're in need of a big who plays the interior - not one who likes to camp at the perimeter. Nobody should get too excited about the two blocks against the backboard either. Both were against a 6'3" guard named Berk Ugurlu who'll never sniff an NBA locker room. Easy pass.

Nice attempt!

[Rudruff]

Playing with the tankathon mock and I have a hypothetical. Would you trade #4 to the Thunder for #5 and #6 assuming the picks fell according to your board?

[GSWFan1994]

Playing with the tankathon mock and I have a hypothetical. Would you trade #4 to the Thunder for #5 and #6 assuming the picks fell according to your board?

In a heartbeat.

This is like trading Suggs for Kuminga + Barnes/Moody/etc.

[Onus]

Playing with the tankathon mock and I have a hypothetical. Would you trade #4 to the Thunder for #5 and #6 assuming the picks fell according to your board?

In a heartbeat.

This is like trading Suggs for Kuminga + Barnes/Moody/etc.

If Cade/Mobley/green are there at 4 I wouldn’t. For Suggs sure I’d do it.

[Rudruff]

5 for 6 and 7 seemed a harder choice, but can't happen. I just wonder when the Thunder are going are going to start feeling some pressure to consolidate their picks.

[Scoots1994]

Playing with the tankathon mock and I have a hypothetical. Would you trade #4 to the Thunder for #5 and #6 assuming the picks fell according to your board?

In a heartbeat.

This is like trading Suggs for Kuminga + Barnes/Moody/etc.

If Cade/Mobley/green are there at 4 I wouldn’t. For Suggs sure I’d do it.

Pretty much my thought. I love Suggs, but to me he's clearly #4, and #5 and #6 in this draft for Suggs is a no brainer.

[Rudruff]

Maybe I need to expand the options a little. Orlando could also have 2 picks in the top ten.

#4 for #6 and #8 assuming every team picks according to your board?

[Sam Lowry Jr]

The things I worry about Kuminga are in this evaluation:

https://nbadraft.theringer.com

Decision-making: He gets flustered when his first read isn’t available and ends up jacking a ton of contested shots instead of looking for a pass or creating a higher-quality shot for himself.

A ball stopper who needs to be better at playing within the flow of the offense.

Inconsistent shooter who’s never had good percentages despite looking comfortable and confident from deep range, both off the catch and dribble. Has subpar touch away from the basket.

Aloof defender who finds himself out of position on rotations and often doesn’t put in effort on rotations. Also bites on pump fakes.

Maybe some of these weaknesses improve over time, but lack of decision making/shooting/defense are basically the antithesis of a player Kerr looks for in his system. Could be 3-5 years away if he every realizes his potential. Probably a pass for me.

[Scoots1994]

The things I worry about Kuminga are in this evaluation:

https://nbadraft.theringer.com

Decision-making: He gets flustered when his first read isn’t available and ends up jacking a ton of contested shots instead of looking for a pass or creating a higher-quality shot for himself.

A ball stopper who needs to be better at playing within the flow of the offense.

Inconsistent shooter who’s never had good percentages despite looking comfortable and confident from deep range, both off the catch and dribble. Has subpar touch away from the basket.

Aloof defender who finds himself out of position on rotations and often doesn’t put in effort on rotations. Also bites on pump fakes.

Maybe some of these weaknesses improve over time, but lack of decision making/shooting/defense are basically the antithesis of a player Kerr looks for in his system. Could be 3-5 years away if he every realizes his potential. Probably a pass for me.

I see all that too, the thing is, who do you take for the Warriors instead at #5 assuming Cade,Mobley,Green,Suggs are gone (I know the Warriors can't get #5)?

Of that group 5-12 all of the players have potential to be great NBA players and all of them have issues with their games too.

(13ish on it just gets harder to guess who will grow more as a player ... less known and even more projection than 5-12)

[Scoots1994]

Maybe I need to expand the options a little. Orlando could also have 2 picks in the top ten.

#4 for #6 and #8 assuming every team picks according to your board?

Probably would do it.

[Sam Lowry Jr]

The things I worry about Kuminga are in this evaluation:

https://nbadraft.theringer.com

Decision-making: He gets flustered when his first read isn’t available and ends up jacking a ton of contested shots instead of looking for a pass or creating a higher-quality shot for himself.

A ball stopper who needs to be better at playing within the flow of the offense.

Inconsistent shooter who’s never had good percentages despite looking comfortable and confident from deep range, both off the catch and dribble. Has subpar touch away from the basket.

Aloof defender who finds himself out of position on rotations and often doesn’t put in effort on rotations. Also bites on pump fakes.

Maybe some of these weaknesses improve over time, but lack of decision making/shooting/defense are basically the antithesis of a player Kerr looks for in his system. Could be 3-5 years away if he every realizes his potential. Probably a pass for me.

I see all that too, the thing is, who do you take for the Warriors instead at #5 assuming Cade,Mobley,Green,Suggs are gone (I know the Warriors can't get #5)?

Of that group 5-12 all of the players have potential to be great NBA players and all of them have issues with their games too.

(13ish on it just gets harder to guess who will grow more as a player ... less known and even more projection than 5-12)

Too many unknown drafting variables at the moment (e.g., does Wolves pick convey and at what position), but assuming that
If Kuminga is available when the Warriors draft and another team below us wants him badly, I would draft and trade him for Davion Mitchell + additional assets.

The ideal draft for me if we get 6 and 14 is Davion Mitchell and Corey Kispert/Moses Moody/best available sharpshooter. Davion Mitchell is risky because his great shooting last year could be an outlier, but he provides lots of things the Warriors need at the moment: defense, ball handling, good IQ, and shooting. He's a proven winner. Also, you can plug and play him right away, and he potentially forms a nice future core with Poole and Wiseman.

At 14, I prefer to get a player that can do one thing really well as opposed to an all round player who isn't really great at one thing (yes, I realize this goes against the Warriors tendency to draft all-round players). Kispert and Moody might be both gone then (they're both all over the place in terms of average draft position), but I would draft either of them if available.

If we luck into the 4th pick, then of course I would take best available of Cunningham/Green/Mobley/Suggs.

[DevinVassell]

I have mentioned before that if we keep our draft picks, I want shooting, shooting, shooting and am more interested in skillful heady players than athletes per se.

After watching more prospect videos today, I officially want Franz Wagner at 7 or 8 if we get the pick. If he is there at 14, even better... but I doubt it. Just a good fit for the Warriors imo. Not a supreme athlete or anything but still a super tall two way wing who can do a little of everything including shooting over the top of defenders. Some Klay vibes there for me. I say "Lasst uns ihn fangen!"

[wco81]

Didn’t they have the lottery during the playoffs?