Winning a Wiggins Trade

[Brofessor24]

He is definitely not untouchable lol.

If a better player is available, you trade him 10 times out of 10.

[Mylie10]

He is definitely not untouchable lol.

If a better player is available, you trade him 10 times out of 10.

No one ever said he’s untouchable. So that’s a false claim.

So what is your deal?

[FNQ]

I'm not going based off what fans say. I'm going based off the numbers, and I dont think its possible to spin them as "good" in his last year in MIN.. a 53.5% TS is well below average, and when its tied to such a high 3ptA% (35%), thats really not good. Admittedly its better than he was, but it also resulted in the team going from an above average offense to a bottom 6 offense.

So I could even draw the conclusion that as Wiggins personal stats get better, the team stats get worse

I think, as with all players, there is a sweet spot. Jordan's teams didn't start winning until his personal stats went down.

It's about how the team is constructed and how the player is used.

Wiggins, not needing to be #1, is better when he gets more touches it seems.

Is the team better though? I really don’t care if Wiggins is good or not, as long as the team is better. So far theres no correlation to him and winning, but there is correlation to him playing better when he has a better team defense around him, because it highlights what he does on that end.

Offensively he’s passable and he should never get as many looks on our team as he did last year. Same poster has been beating this drum for a while but that’s the difference between a W’s fan and a Wiggins fan

[Scoots1994]

Wiggins is not a piece to build around, he is a decent wing on a crazy contract....
if you look at how wings are getting paid in this league, with his salary you can have Batum/Crowder/Barton all three!

Great post Power!

I like the improvements Wiggins made this season, but the contract is crazy. Which we all knew coming in, but he at least improved and played every game this season.

However……he did NOT step up when we really needed it. He had a few nice games, but nothing you could hang your hat on game in and game out that lifted the team to victory.

I get he likes his third or fourth option role, but when dudes are out of the lineup, he’s got to get aggressive and we still saw him kind of float into and out of his 16-18 points and I never felt the energy from him to take over or carry us to a win.

But he did score decently in fourth quarters, so maybe I’m being to harsh. But still, the dude needs to step up more at times. Not asking him to carry us for a season.

His progress from last year to this year was significant. The next step he needs is consistency on offense, and often that has to do with maintaining aggression.

Wiggins is, and is not overpaid ... if you consider the other option is a vet minimum player and no 7th pick in this draft.

[Scoots1994]

I'm not going based off what fans say. I'm going based off the numbers, and I dont think its possible to spin them as "good" in his last year in MIN.. a 53.5% TS is well below average, and when its tied to such a high 3ptA% (35%), thats really not good. Admittedly its better than he was, but it also resulted in the team going from an above average offense to a bottom 6 offense.

So I could even draw the conclusion that as Wiggins personal stats get better, the team stats get worse

I think, as with all players, there is a sweet spot. Jordan's teams didn't start winning until his personal stats went down.

It's about how the team is constructed and how the player is used.

Wiggins, not needing to be #1, is better when he gets more touches it seems.

Is the team better though? I really don’t care if Wiggins is good or not, as long as the team is better. So far theres no correlation to him and winning, but there is correlation to him playing better when he has a better team defense around him, because it highlights what he does on that end.

Offensively he’s passable and he should never get as many looks on our team as he did last year. Same poster has been beating this drum for a while but that’s the difference between a W’s fan and a Wiggins fan

Better than a vet min player and no #7 pick? I think so.

That said, this year was tough to watch with how inconsistent the entire team was (except Steph).

I do think Wiggins play is better than most if not all of the players the Warriors could trade for to fill that spot.

[FNQ]

I think, as with all players, there is a sweet spot. Jordan's teams didn't start winning until his personal stats went down.

It's about how the team is constructed and how the player is used.

Wiggins, not needing to be #1, is better when he gets more touches it seems.

Is the team better though? I really don’t care if Wiggins is good or not, as long as the team is better. So far theres no correlation to him and winning, but there is correlation to him playing better when he has a better team defense around him, because it highlights what he does on that end.

Offensively he’s passable and he should never get as many looks on our team as he did last year. Same poster has been beating this drum for a while but that’s the difference between a W’s fan and a Wiggins fan

Better than a vet min player and no #7 pick? I think so.

That said, this year was tough to watch with how inconsistent the entire team was (except Steph).

I do think Wiggins play is better than most if not all of the players the Warriors could trade for to fill that spot.

Where is that comparison coming from? The guy says that Wiggins is better the more he gets the ball, there's an avalanche of evidence that that's not the case.. I'm genuinely confused why its even a conversation. Arguably Wiggins' effectiveness spiked here because we had him do way less on offense than he had to do in his last year in Minnesota

[vagelis]

Is the team better though? I really don’t care if Wiggins is good or not, as long as the team is better. So far theres no correlation to him and winning, but there is correlation to him playing better when he has a better team defense around him, because it highlights what he does on that end.

Offensively he’s passable and he should never get as many looks on our team as he did last year. Same poster has been beating this drum for a while but that’s the difference between a W’s fan and a Wiggins fan

Better than a vet min player and no #7 pick? I think so.

That said, this year was tough to watch with how inconsistent the entire team was (except Steph).

I do think Wiggins play is better than most if not all of the players the Warriors could trade for to fill that spot.

Where is that comparison coming from? The guy says that Wiggins is better the more he gets the ball, there's an avalanche of evidence that that's not the case.. I'm genuinely confused why its even a conversation. Arguably Wiggins' effectiveness spiked here because we had him do way less on offense than he had to do in his last year in Minnesota

Then why his effectiveness was at his worst with Thibodeau having him standing in the corner with only 42 touches per game? He was used lesser then in the offense(I mean touches not fga, he was not involved in the games)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html

He had 41 fg% and 43 fg% with Thibodeau as a spot up shooter.

My opinion about that is that Wiggins has worked a lot his shooting the last 2 seasons and that's why he was good with Warriors although he was not used at his strengths(driving to the basket and create his shot).
I think that he is at his best when he is more involved in the offense and getting the ball more.
He is now used from Nurse in such a role with Canada and he plays very well imo.

I understand that Wiggins cannot be the first option for Warriors. Curry deserves this role clearly. Wiggins could be a little bit more involved imo like in the last games when Oubre was out.
Anyway, I think you are right, I have already said it during the season so I will not continue with that.

[Scoots1994]

Is the team better though? I really don’t care if Wiggins is good or not, as long as the team is better. So far theres no correlation to him and winning, but there is correlation to him playing better when he has a better team defense around him, because it highlights what he does on that end.

Offensively he’s passable and he should never get as many looks on our team as he did last year. Same poster has been beating this drum for a while but that’s the difference between a W’s fan and a Wiggins fan

Better than a vet min player and no #7 pick? I think so.

That said, this year was tough to watch with how inconsistent the entire team was (except Steph).

I do think Wiggins play is better than most if not all of the players the Warriors could trade for to fill that spot.

Where is that comparison coming from? The guy says that Wiggins is better the more he gets the ball, there's an avalanche of evidence that that's not the case.. I'm genuinely confused why its even a conversation. Arguably Wiggins' effectiveness spiked here because we had him do way less on offense than he had to do in his last year in Minnesota

If KD had left for nothing the Warriors would have a vet minimum player at the 3 and would not have the 7th pick that's all.

From that perspective Wiggins is really good. His contract is essentially moot unless there is a trade available for that cap slot for a player better than Wiggins and I haven't seen one that makes sense yet.

[Brofessor24]

He is definitely not untouchable lol.

If a better player is available, you trade him 10 times out of 10.

No one ever said he’s untouchable. So that’s a false claim.

So what is your deal?[/quote

Some delusional Warriors fans definitely think he is.

[xdrta+]

He is definitely not untouchable lol.

If a better player is available, you trade him 10 times out of 10.

No one ever said he’s untouchable. So that’s a false claim.

So what is your deal?

Some delusional Warriors fans definitely think he is.

Really? I haven't noticed that, maybe you could point to someone, delusional or not, who said he was "untouchable."

[whatisacenter]

Wiggins is playing well so far for team Canada and Mulder is on the team too.

[Brofessor24]

No one ever said he’s untouchable. So that’s a false claim.

So what is your deal?

Some delusional Warriors fans definitely think he is.

Really? I haven't noticed that, maybe you could point to someone, delusional or not, who said he was "untouchable."

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

[xdrta+]

No one ever said he’s untouchable. So that’s a false claim.

So what is your deal?

Some delusional Warriors fans definitely think he is.

Really? I haven't noticed that, maybe you could point to someone, delusional or not, who said he was "untouchable."

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

In other words, you're just making stuff up. Good job.

[FNQ]

Better than a vet min player and no #7 pick? I think so.

That said, this year was tough to watch with how inconsistent the entire team was (except Steph).

I do think Wiggins play is better than most if not all of the players the Warriors could trade for to fill that spot.

Where is that comparison coming from? The guy says that Wiggins is better the more he gets the ball, there's an avalanche of evidence that that's not the case.. I'm genuinely confused why its even a conversation. Arguably Wiggins' effectiveness spiked here because we had him do way less on offense than he had to do in his last year in Minnesota

If KD had left for nothing the Warriors would have a vet minimum player at the 3 and would not have the 7th pick that's all.

From that perspective Wiggins is really good. His contract is essentially moot unless there is a trade available for that cap slot for a player better than Wiggins and I haven't seen one that makes sense yet.

Right but not arguing anything like that, only said that the idea of Wiggins needing more touches to be better doesnt have anything to back it up. It did from Thibs MIN team to Flips, but then that got turned on its ear comparing Wiggins w/Flip to Wiggins on the W's

He's a role player, and maybe a high level one, but he's not a guy you are going to manufacture more touches for, especially if you want to win. He could be a #3 option on a winner, maybe, but we'll have to see how he does when Klay gets back. Personally I think he's best in the 10-12 FGA/stellar defense type role, where he also gets subbed out early so he can assist Poole on the 2nd unit

[FNQ]

No one ever said he’s untouchable. So that’s a false claim.

So what is your deal?

Some delusional Warriors fans definitely think he is.

Really? I haven't noticed that, maybe you could point to someone, delusional or not, who said he was "untouchable."

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

If youre offering Siakam for Wiggins straight up, lets talk. If you aren't, why do you think Siakam is untouchable?

[Brofessor24]

Really? I haven't noticed that, maybe you could point to someone, delusional or not, who said he was "untouchable."

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

In other words, you're just making stuff up. Good job.

Not at all boy.

Don't get triggered.

[Brofessor24]

Really? I haven't noticed that, maybe you could point to someone, delusional or not, who said he was "untouchable."

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

If youre offering Siakam for Wiggins straight up, lets talk. If you aren't, why do you think Siakam is untouchable?

I am simply saying that some folks think that Wiggins is untouchable, which clearly isn't the case.

I never said that Siakam is untouchable lol.

Don't get so worked up about this.

[xdrta+]

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

If youre offering Siakam for Wiggins straight up, lets talk. If you aren't, why do you think Siakam is untouchable?

I am simply saying that some folks think that Wiggins is untouchable, which clearly isn't the case.

I never said that Siakam is untouchable lol.

Don't get so worked up about this.

I ask you again, who are these folks that say Wiggins is untouchable? Stop making stuff up.

[Quazza]

I was speaking in general.

No need to get your panties in a bunch.

If youre offering Siakam for Wiggins straight up, lets talk. If you aren't, why do you think Siakam is untouchable?

I am simply saying that some folks think that Wiggins is untouchable, which clearly isn't the case.

I never said that Siakam is untouchable lol.

Don't get so worked up about this.

no, they dont

[Scoots1994]

Where is that comparison coming from? The guy says that Wiggins is better the more he gets the ball, there's an avalanche of evidence that that's not the case.. I'm genuinely confused why its even a conversation. Arguably Wiggins' effectiveness spiked here because we had him do way less on offense than he had to do in his last year in Minnesota

If KD had left for nothing the Warriors would have a vet minimum player at the 3 and would not have the 7th pick that's all.

From that perspective Wiggins is really good. His contract is essentially moot unless there is a trade available for that cap slot for a player better than Wiggins and I haven't seen one that makes sense yet.

Right but not arguing anything like that, only said that the idea of Wiggins needing more touches to be better doesnt have anything to back it up. It did from Thibs MIN team to Flips, but then that got turned on its ear comparing Wiggins w/Flip to Wiggins on the W's

He's a role player, and maybe a high level one, but he's not a guy you are going to manufacture more touches for, especially if you want to win. He could be a #3 option on a winner, maybe, but we'll have to see how he does when Klay gets back. Personally I think he's best in the 10-12 FGA/stellar defense type role, where he also gets subbed out early so he can assist Poole on the 2nd unit

Okay, I think he'll be better closer to 16-18 fga