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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#121 » by EvanZ » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:38 am

Onus wrote:Kerr really has a tough job, a job Bob declined to do, which is to manage the big 3s egos as they are fading. I think Kerr is going to ride Klay until the playoffs. He'll have the entire season to turn it around which means there's going to a lot of lows. Really similar to JP last year played him all year even though he was actively tanking lineups, then cut his minutes in the playoffs. Which really means it's going to be a tough year.

We really need Moody to step up and make it clear he's better. He needs to take the spot. Kerr is not going to hand it to him over Klay.


You have to wonder what “making it clear” even means lol…
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#122 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:49 am

Kerr is going to lose this club.

Talked about meritocracy, but has already shown his hypocrisy.

Talked about the people playing best will close games. He's shown that he has no problems benching wiggs and loon in the 4th. But what about the other 4 vets. Hypocrite.

Players see this and have probably already talked about it behind kerrs back.

Back up your talk Steve.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#123 » by SpreeChokeJob » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:04 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kerr is going to lose this club.

Talked about meritocracy, but has already shown his hypocrisy.

Talked about the people playing best will close games. He's shown that he has no problems benching wiggs and loon in the 4th. But what about the other 4 vets. Hypocrite.

Players see this and have probably already talked about it behind kerrs back.

Back up your talk Steve.

That gets me. If I were to look at this from a younger player’s perspective I would bail if I were taller than 6’ 3”. Most young players wouldn’t have the patience to deal with this. Moody is the consummate professional, but for other young pups, most are only concerned with securing the bag. They weren’t born on second base like Curry was, so he could stay an extra year in college to hone their craft for pure love of the game. The only young player he gave a chance to flourish was Poole because he matched his system. For him. He gave an extra long leash to play through bone headed mistakes: jacking up shots, poor defense. Most are mistaken if they think these new star young players would develop if they came to the Warriors. The other younger players around the league have played 50 percent more minutes in a bigger role their first three years and were allowed to make mistakes. In the Warriors, a young player would be pigeon holed into a role to complement the older players.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#124 » by Mambomuziki » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:13 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
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Yeah what has our hall of fame coach done for us lately!


Nellie was a HoF coach too.. just saying that being a hall of fame coach doesnt make you immune to being a part of the problem


Kerr is arguably a top 5 coach of all-time, definitely top 10. I’m fine if someone wants to criticize a specific decision but to call him a dumb coach in general is asinine.

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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#125 » by Mambomuziki » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:16 am

Old_Blue wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Squad Stupid has assured us our coach, the human equivalent of a bran flake, will get us to the promised land.


Six pages into this thread and none of the people stamping their foot for Kerr to be fired has mentioned even a single possible replacement. Or, is the goal simply to irreparably break the team?
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#126 » by SpreeS » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:45 am

Mambomuziki wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
Nellie was a HoF coach too.. just saying that being a hall of fame coach doesnt make you immune to being a part of the problem


Kerr is arguably a top 5 coach of all-time, definitely top 10. I’m fine if someone wants to criticize a specific decision but to call him a dumb coach in general is asinine.

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To be in right place at right time is also praiseworthy

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Curry/Green RS 2014 115.05 vs 2015 116.67
Curry/Green PS 2015 120.05 vs 2015 109.20

Kerr didnt unlock anything. Curry and Green as combo were tremendious good with Jackson too. Lee injury saved Kerr ass in 2015. He wouldn't bench All-Star veteran Lee as he cant bench Klay now.

Someone remeber this?

Luke Walton led the team to a 39-4 record in Kerr's absence
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#127 » by Coxy » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:05 am

Kenny Atkinson is right there. He can take over in a chimp.
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Post#128 » by watch1958 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:09 am

Coxy wrote:Kenny Atkinson is right there. He can take over in a chimp.
Meh. I kinda like Kris Weems. But what do I know?
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Post#129 » by Jester_ » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:00 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Jester_ wrote:19th in net rating.

Nothing to see here folks. All according to plan. Squad Stupid has assured us our coach, the human equivalent of a bran flake, will get us to the promised land.


Yeah what has our hall of fame coach done for us lately!


Nellie and Doc Rivers are hall of fame coaches too. Try again.

And yes this is the NBA we don't pay you based on what you did years ago. How do you fit so many Ls into a single sentence :crazy:
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#130 » by Jester_ » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:04 am

SpreeS wrote:
Mambomuziki wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:


Kerr is arguably a top 5 coach of all-time, definitely top 10. I’m fine if someone wants to criticize a specific decision but to call him a dumb coach in general is asinine.

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To be in right place at right time is also praiseworthy

M.Jackson/Green/Curry in 2014

RS Curry/Green 1043min +12.89nrtg
PO Curry/Green 205min +8.05nrtg

Ortg

Curry/Green RS 2014 115.05 vs 2015 116.67
Curry/Green PS 2015 120.05 vs 2015 109.20

Kerr didnt unlock anything. Curry and Green as combo were tremendious good with Jackson too. Lee injury saved Kerr ass in 2015. He wouldn't bench All-Star veteran Lee as he cant bench Klay now.

Someone remeber this?

Luke Walton led the team to a 39-4 record in Kerr's absence


It's weird how people will deep dive into the data when it comes to players - yet with coaches half their brains fall out

But who am I to cast aspersions on The Great White Hope™
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#131 » by SpreeS » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:33 pm

In last 7 games

Wiggs 113.5drtg 8.7reb% .548TS .458/.353/.778
Klay 122.2drtg 5.6reb% .545TS .366/.389/.900
Moody 110.0drtg 10.5reb% .661TS .568/.471/.600

and here comes Kerr to say Moody "You are out of rotation"

This is sabotage against team/owners/fans/young players

It is official. +/- data shows that Klay is the worst defender on this team

Klay 120.3 drtg (the worst)
Klay -(+13.8) netdrtg (on 120.3 off 106.5) (the worst)
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#132 » by KevinMcreynolds » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:17 pm

Jester_ wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Jester_ wrote:19th in net rating.

Nothing to see here folks. All according to plan. Squad Stupid has assured us our coach, the human equivalent of a bran flake, will get us to the promised land.


Yeah what has our hall of fame coach done for us lately!


Nellie and Doc Rivers are hall of fame coaches too. Try again.

And yes this is the NBA we don't pay you based on what you did years ago. How do you fit so many Ls into a single sentence :crazy:


When you hear other coaches/scouts talk about Kerr they all say he’s an all-time great and they’re a lot smarter than you or I.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#133 » by ShayDee » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:25 pm

Coaching for the big picture might end up backfiring when this team gets bounced out of the first round because of an unfavorable matchup. If this team is a 6-8 seed entering the playoffs and MIN/OKC/Denver/Lakers/PHX are top 3 then this team is doomed
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Post#134 » by SpreeS » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:42 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Yeah what has our hall of fame coach done for us lately!


Nellie and Doc Rivers are hall of fame coaches too. Try again.

And yes this is the NBA we don't pay you based on what you did years ago. How do you fit so many Ls into a single sentence :crazy:


When you hear other coaches/scouts talk about Kerr they all say he’s an all-time great and they’re a lot smarter than you or I.


What do you expect? They all are on the same boat.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#135 » by Onus » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:51 pm

There was an interview about coaching and that coaching isn’t about X’s and O’s it was about managing egos. That’s what he’s doing with Klay.

You’re not managing Klays ego you’re just placating his ego. That’s not coaching that’s just being a push over.
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Post#136 » by Impuniti » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:54 pm

ShayDee wrote:Coaching for the big picture might end up backfiring when this team gets bounced out of the first round because of an unfavorable matchup. If this team is a 6-8 seed entering the playoffs and MIN/OKC/Denver/Lakers/PHX are top 3 then this team is doomed

This team is already doomed, some people just haven't accepted it yet.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#137 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:02 pm

Kerr isn't a bad coach, but hes too stubborn to adapt.
Klay isn't a bad player, but hes too stubborn to adapt.

Defense is the biggest problem. The adjustments that can help is there. The numbers are there and it passes the eye test.

Just switching klay for Moody jump starts this team.
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Post#138 » by ShayDee » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:30 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kerr isn't a bad coach, but hes too stubborn to adapt.
Klay isn't a bad player, but hes too stubborn to adapt.

Defense is the biggest problem. The adjustments that can help is there. The numbers are there and it passes the eye test.

Just switching klay for Moody jump starts this team.


Offense is starting to be a problem as well. Started from last season, into the playoffs. They almost are lost when Steph is on the floor and other teams just blitz him and protect the paint. Steph has lost his PG abilities and cannot pass, turns the ball all over the place, Dray not looking at the basket turns the ball over, Klay cannot get separation. Teams are letting Klay/Wiggins beat them and they cannot. Gotta figure out a more simplified offense to limit turnovers and close games
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#139 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:34 pm

https://www.theringer.com/2023/11/29/23980835/golden-state-warriors-trade-rumors-klay-thompson-steph-curry

Kerr praised Moody after the game, calling him “awesome” and “fantastic” and “the ultimate pro.” But that’s apparently not enough for the 21-year-old to earn minutes over the veterans. Not giving minutes to excelling young players is taking the easy way out, rather than playing the young guys and managing the fragile egos of his older players. All Kerr is doing now is sending a message that hard work will not be rewarded with chances, and production during limited opportunities will not be rewarded with more minutes. Because on Kerr’s Warriors, tenure is all that matters.


Koc went all in and said everything that we've said in this thread.
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Post#140 » by CDM_Stats » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:32 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2023/11/29/23980835/golden-state-warriors-trade-rumors-klay-thompson-steph-curry

Kerr praised Moody after the game, calling him “awesome” and “fantastic” and “the ultimate pro.” But that’s apparently not enough for the 21-year-old to earn minutes over the veterans. Not giving minutes to excelling young players is taking the easy way out, rather than playing the young guys and managing the fragile egos of his older players. All Kerr is doing now is sending a message that hard work will not be rewarded with chances, and production during limited opportunities will not be rewarded with more minutes. Because on Kerr’s Warriors, tenure is all that matters.


Koc went all in and said everything that we've said in this thread.


Kerr is getting roasted from all angles.. Klay's catching a lot of it too, and its not Klay's fault. Well not directly anyways.. Kerr can stop this at any time by nutting up. But because he doesn't, Moody is going to be propped up too high, Klay's going to be beaten too low, and you can 100% bet that there will be hard feelings going in different directions.

If managing personalities is supposed to be one of the things he does well, this is a clear and loud counterpoint

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