Current offer on the table for Lauri

[warriorschamps]

If I was the GM any player not named Stehen Wardell Curry would be on the table. Period. Having said that I'd prefer not to trade Jonathan Kuminga either because he is probably the only player on the roster that you could say is really athletic. And you don't want a team that is completely devoid of athleticism.

MM+GP2+Looney. I do that trade every day of the week as much as I like those guys. GP2 and Looney are underrated players, still I'd do the deal. Moody I can't make up my mind about as a player. He does have some positives but he has some downsides like the ball stick in his hands too much. That can be true for Kuminga as well but Kuminga has a very high ceiling imo if only because of his athleticism. For me Kuminga is the second most important player on the team to Steph. Granted a very distant second but still the second most important player.

[Nvnervous45]

The problem is ainge doesn't want that deal. He wants kuminga, podz, and picks. That's when you tell him to go f himself. People forget it takes 2 to tango with trades. If the other side is being unreasonable, you have to know when to walk.

[Onus]

The problem is ainge doesn't want that deal. He wants kuminga, podz, and picks. That's when you tell him to go f himself. People forget it takes 2 to tango with trades. If the other side is being unreasonable, you have to know when to walk.

It doesn't matter what Ainge wants, it only matters what he will take.

The bigger issue Ainge will face is that it's becoming harder to trade big salaried players, so giving Lauri an extension does carry some risk in this 2nd apron era. No one wants to trade for Lavine. No one wants to trade for Ingram. If he gives Lauri an extension, he may have to keep Lauri for a year and it'll become even harder to trade him next year. Is Ainge really going to throw away 2 really good chances at good prospects in year 25 and 26, if he can't trade Lauri? He's been trying to trade Lauri for 2 years at an 18M contract. It's going to be even harder for him to trade Lauri at a 50M contract and he's not going to get what he wants at that contract. Making it even harder for him to tank.

Ainge is going to take less to move off of Lauri or he's going to pay someone to take Sexton, Clarkson, Collins off of him.

MDJ just needs to stay strong. If someone outbids him fine. But Ainge wants to trade Lauri, which is why he's leaking deals and he's praying someone comes in to beat our offer. Our current offer isn't all that great unless the Jazz get really lucky in the draft.

We probably keep our 25 pick swap, we'll probably keep our 27 pick swap. Our 26 pick should still be relatively high. The only pick of substance would be 28 and if we're offering 30 (1-20) and maybe 29 pick swap if that's on the table. So we're only really trading 2 unknown picks, if 30 is even on the table and that's 5 years out.

[CDM_Stats]

The data have to do with the teams the roles and the systems not only with the players that is what I am saying.
You cannot judge a player from the data.
Wiggins data were affected from these facts during the seasons 2016, 2017, 2020, 2022 etc.
So, is about for every player.

Some data does now, and yes, you absolutely can judge a player from the data. Its almost always more accurate because most of it is not subjective or biased. For example, you really love Wiggins to the point where you say he should be a #2 option, that he was an excellent defender way back when, and a lot of other things that just really aren't true. The data aligns with reality, most people's eye test does not.

And to be clear, its not easy. The eye test is easy. The eye test is lazy. Data work is actually tough if you do it right. If you think data work is just going to a site and spitting out a number that supports your argument, its not.

[Onus]

And to be clear, its not easy. The eye test is easy. The eye test is lazy. Data work is actually tough if you do it right. If you think data work is just going to a site and spitting out a number that supports your argument, its not.

It really depends on who's data you're referring to. You have access to data that not everyone else is using and we can't even really argue against it because we don't know what it's collecting or how it's collected.

But anyone referencing the public data and trying to end arguments with it, that is lazy.

[CDM_Stats]

And to be clear, its not easy. The eye test is easy. The eye test is lazy. Data work is actually tough if you do it right. If you think data work is just going to a site and spitting out a number that supports your argument, its not.

It really depends on who's data you're referring to. You have access to data that not everyone else is using and we can't even really argue against it because we don't know what it's collecting or how it's collected.

But anyone referencing the public data and trying to end arguments with it, that is lazy.

I've spent a long time, the past 3 years even, detailing whats been collected, wrote long posts about how the general parts are collected.. if people dont remember or dont care, thats on them. But I'm not doing it to win arguments, I dont care.. I'm adding context, if people don't like it, dont use it. But I found it was really accurate so I started sharing it here like I used to do with medical stuff. But like with the medical stuff, I'm starting to pack it up because its not worth the conversation anymore

Also any actual data work is tough. You can use regular boxscores and regular metrics to still make really high quality arguments as long as its thought out well and logical. But mainly, impartial. The great majority of folks who use datasets are only looking for what supports their initial argument. Which I understand to a degree, because often times my initial assessment of something with my eyes is very different than what the stats bare out and make me look at, and I dont post my initial assessments. I post after its gone through a much more reliable filter

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

The problem is ainge doesn't want that deal. He wants kuminga, podz, and picks. That's when you tell him to go f himself. People forget it takes 2 to tango with trades. If the other side is being unreasonable, you have to know when to walk.

The deal in the poll is the most I would offer. I would not offer Kuminga at all. If Ainge wants Podz I give less draft picks.
Lauri only gives us an outside shot at a championship and that only if Kuminga plays for Warriors and improves again and If Trayce plays well.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Definitely. Frees Moody from the clutches of Kerr stupidity and prevents us from trading Podz or Kumbuckets.

Moody is nothing but free him so he can prove me wrong.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

A 47 win team that has draft picks is better than a 48 win team that doesnt.

If you believe this team is so far away, just trade Steph for a haul and be done with it.


Allow him to compete for a ring in the end of his prime and put steroids to your rebuilding process.


The middle ground makes no sense at all, neither for GS or Curry.

Would a out of the playoffs team want old Steph?
Would a in the playoffs team gut their roster to make cap space for Steph?

I do not think Steph is so easy to trade.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

How is the best off ball big man in the entire league a bad fit?

By being one the worst off ball big men defensively

I really don't see him being one of the worst off ball big men defensively.

https://watchreplay.net/thunder-vs-jazz-february-6-2024/20511/

I see terrible communication throughout the team along with bad defenders where people start randomly rotating. But teams don't try to attack Lauri like he's some massive liability. I mean sure there are some bad plays there but it's not some achilles heel that would tank a defense. He's definitely not a rim protector and he doesn't help early enough as a center. But the defense behind him is terrible. He has the tools to be a solid defender and he's not some liability in isolation.

How does Lauri compare to Looney defensively? Neither can jump and block shots. 2022 playoffs Looney got the job done defensively despite not being able to block shots. Anything wrong with turning Lauri into a center?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

A 47 win team that has draft picks is better than a 48 win team that doesnt.

If you believe this team is so far away, just trade Steph for a haul and be done with it.


Allow him to compete for a ring in the end of his prime and put steroids to your rebuilding process.


The middle ground makes no sense at all, neither for GS or Curry.

I simply don't understand why people think this team will be the same as last season unless Dray/Steph age quickly and there's a lot of injuries which is certainly possible. The Warriors removed their two worst defenders by a significant margin. Those 2 were also 2/4 very old guys that Kerr kept overplaying like a complete lunatic over and over again. Even though it was obvious that the team was severely hurting in the 4th quarter getting consistently outplayed due to almost every team having more energy than them (which.. made sense to everyone except for Kerr and the useless excuse of a staff they had).

They now got two really great defenders, and a Klay without the ego/expectations of playtime. Klay last season as a 15MPG off the bench to see when he got hot would have been a + for the team if he played vs the opposing teams' bench units. That's what Buddy should be doing this upcoming season as his defense is kind of crap.

If this team is not severely injured, they will win 5-10 more games than last season as they are currently constructed. The issues still remain lacking an actual #2, shooting/spacing, some rebounding, and a good back solid defensive center. Lauri would cover 3/4, and you're left hoping the Donn can find some solid backup big to complete the squad. Maybe the season turns to ****, but he's done a great job so far into the summer.

This team also desperately needed some coaches that aren't 'yes men'. The laughable and quite honestly insane coaching lineups Kerr was putting out last season needed someone to get in some serious arguments with him until he changed paths. I can't do another season of this idiotic 4 guard lineup.

Can Melton stay healthy?
How much better of a defender is Hield than Klay playing on Wooden legs?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Wait, now Klay = Lauri? Wasn't everyone saying Klay is washed old man who should retire? (basically)

I said prime Klay. To be clear, that's pre-injury Klay, which is 6 years ago. Because its 2024 now.. if I wanted to replace current day Klay, I'd be aiming much, much lower. It also wouldnt fit the team anymore.

But yes Lauri would be replicating what prime Klay did, 6+ years ago. Off-ball movement to draw defenders to let limited handle drivers like Wiggins and Kuminga a clearer route to the rim. I would say Steph too but there's been some troubling numbers about that recently, in addition to him not getting as many whistles as he likely should

Lauri is not much of a passer but prime Klay was also not much of a passer.

[PurpleGreenGold]

The problem is ainge doesn't want that deal. He wants kuminga, podz, and picks. That's when you tell him to go f himself. People forget it takes 2 to tango with trades. If the other side is being unreasonable, you have to know when to walk.

It doesn't matter what Ainge wants, it only matters what he will take.

The bigger issue Ainge will face is that it's becoming harder to trade big salaried players, so giving Lauri an extension does carry some risk in this 2nd apron era. No one wants to trade for Lavine. No one wants to trade for Ingram. If he gives Lauri an extension, he may have to keep Lauri for a year and it'll become even harder to trade him next year. Is Ainge really going to throw away 2 really good chances at good prospects in year 25 and 26, if he can't trade Lauri? He's been trying to trade Lauri for 2 years at an 18M contract. It's going to be even harder for him to trade Lauri at a 50M contract and he's not going to get what he wants at that contract. Making it even harder for him to tank.

Ainge is going to take less to move off of Lauri or he's going to pay someone to take Sexton, Clarkson, Collins off of him.

MDJ just needs to stay strong. If someone outbids him fine. But Ainge wants to trade Lauri, which is why he's leaking deals and he's praying someone comes in to beat our offer. Our current offer isn't all that great unless the Jazz get really lucky in the draft.

We probably keep our 25 pick swap, we'll probably keep our 27 pick swap. Our 26 pick should still be relatively high. The only pick of substance would be 28 and if we're offering 30 (1-20) and maybe 29 pick swap if that's on the table. So we're only really trading 2 unknown picks, if 30 is even on the table and that's 5 years out.

I'm a Jazz fan who's been lurking on this page reading other perspectives about a potential Lauri trade. Respectfully, I come in peace.

I disagree with your premise. I've seen you say that Ainge has been wanting to trade Lauri for 2 years now. That's just not true. In fact, even now, the Jazz really don't want to trade Lauri, and will be happy to resign him. But he has to listen to offers though, right? A GM would be negligent not to at least hear out another team if they are offering you the world. Since he's not really on the market, it falls on the team wanting Lauri to meet the Jazz' price. If not, that's fine no deal and we keep him.

Lauri at $50 million is not the same as Lavine or Ingram at $50 million. They are not comparable players or in comparable situations. Lauri is a player who doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Every team could use a guy like that as their 2nd or 3rd best player. In fact, if the Jazz look to trade Lauri after he gets an extension, he's probably even more enticing to more teams because he's then not a 1 year flight risk. Trades are not that hard to do when you can combine a couple of $15 million dollar players with some other filler.

Lauri likes it in Utah. From what I understand he doesn't love the idea of tanking, but is willing to do what the Jazz need him to do next year so they can optimize their chances for a high draft pick (we already have 3 1sts in the 2025 draft). He just doesn't want to be in a situation of them tanking year after year.

[Onus]

I'm a Jazz fan who's been lurking on this page reading other perspectives about a potential Lauri trade. Respectfully, I come in peace.

I disagree with your premise. I've seen you say that Ainge has been wanting to trade Lauri for 2 years now. That's just not true. In fact, even now, the Jazz really don't want to trade Lauri, and will be happy to resign him. But he has to listen to offers though, right? A GM would be negligent not to at least hear out another team if they are offering you the world. Since he's not really on the market, it falls on the team wanting Lauri to meet the Jazz' price. If not, that's fine no deal and we keep him.

Lauri at $50 million is not the same as Lavine or Ingram at $50 million. They are not comparable players or in comparable situations. Lauri is a player who doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Every team could use a guy like that as their 2nd or 3rd best player. In fact, if the Jazz look to trade Lauri after he gets an extension, he's probably even more enticing to more teams because he's then not a 1 year flight risk. Trades are not that hard to do when you can combine a couple of $15 million dollar players with some other filler.

Lauri likes it in Utah. From what I understand he doesn't love the idea of tanking, but is willing to do what the Jazz need him to do next year so they can optimize their chances for a high draft pick (we already have 3 1sts in the 2025 draft). He just doesn't want to be in a situation of them tanking year after year.

I mean when the reports about Lauri are always, "Lauri's not on the market, but if you offered a god father offer you could get him". How is that not being put on the market? If he wasn't on the trade block there wouldn't even be a mention of Lauri. No one is saying hey you could get Cade Cunningham for a god father offer, or about Franz, Scottie Barnes, PG or KAT. Like that doesn't come out if you're not on the trade market. It's like a literal do not forget you could get Lauri for a very high price every other month. I'm sorry but that's being on the trade block. Ainge doesn't "want to trade him", but he's available and he's said that for 2 years.

Lauri is better than Lavine and Ingram. But 50M is still a lot of $. Getting 50M of contracts that a team would be willing to trade is just a lot harder to do and you'd have to be positive that he's the missing piece because you're basically gutting a big part of your team to get him. Like for us if Lauri is 50M we'd have to trade one of Wiggins and Dray at which point it doesn't even make sense for us to trade for Lauri anymore. Teams are basically operating under a hard cap and one of the richest owners Balmer would rather let PG walk for nothing than stay in the 2nd apron. It's really limiting and it's not going to be easy to do. Let's put it this way, if you were a team would you have rather traded for Lauri last summer when he had 2 years left with 18M /yr on his contract or next year when he has 4yr 200M left. Which contract do you think is easier to trade and which one gets more value?

Lauri likes Utah agreed. How long do you think your rebuild is going to take? You're going into year 3 with no one to build around. You're obviously not building around Lauri. You're obviously going to try to tank this year with or without Lauri. You think you guys will be trying for the playoffs next year? 26 is a great draft year, which probably means you'll probably tank that year as well. Lauri will be 29, I think he would have 2 years left on his contract then with a bunch of young guys, whom might not even be a top 5 draft pick because Lauri was too good to tank. I do think Lauri wants to get his money this year so he does want to renegotiate and extend, but how long is he going to want to tank at the end of the season to only get the 10th pick for a 3rd season in a row?

[superunknown]

The problem is ainge doesn't want that deal. He wants kuminga, podz, and picks. That's when you tell him to go f himself. People forget it takes 2 to tango with trades. If the other side is being unreasonable, you have to know when to walk.

It doesn't matter what Ainge wants, it only matters what he will take.

The bigger issue Ainge will face is that it's becoming harder to trade big salaried players, so giving Lauri an extension does carry some risk in this 2nd apron era. No one wants to trade for Lavine. No one wants to trade for Ingram. If he gives Lauri an extension, he may have to keep Lauri for a year and it'll become even harder to trade him next year. Is Ainge really going to throw away 2 really good chances at good prospects in year 25 and 26, if he can't trade Lauri? He's been trying to trade Lauri for 2 years at an 18M contract. It's going to be even harder for him to trade Lauri at a 50M contract and he's not going to get what he wants at that contract. Making it even harder for him to tank.

Ainge is going to take less to move off of Lauri or he's going to pay someone to take Sexton, Clarkson, Collins off of him.

MDJ just needs to stay strong. If someone outbids him fine. But Ainge wants to trade Lauri, which is why he's leaking deals and he's praying someone comes in to beat our offer. Our current offer isn't all that great unless the Jazz get really lucky in the draft.

We probably keep our 25 pick swap, we'll probably keep our 27 pick swap. Our 26 pick should still be relatively high. The only pick of substance would be 28 and if we're offering 30 (1-20) and maybe 29 pick swap if that's on the table. So we're only really trading 2 unknown picks, if 30 is even on the table and that's 5 years out.

I'm a Jazz fan who's been lurking on this page reading other perspectives about a potential Lauri trade. Respectfully, I come in peace.

I disagree with your premise. I've seen you say that Ainge has been wanting to trade Lauri for 2 years now. That's just not true. In fact, even now, the Jazz really don't want to trade Lauri, and will be happy to resign him. But he has to listen to offers though, right? A GM would be negligent not to at least hear out another team if they are offering you the world. Since he's not really on the market, it falls on the team wanting Lauri to meet the Jazz' price. If not, that's fine no deal and we keep him.

Lauri at $50 million is not the same as Lavine or Ingram at $50 million. They are not comparable players or in comparable situations. Lauri is a player who doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Every team could use a guy like that as their 2nd or 3rd best player. In fact, if the Jazz look to trade Lauri after he gets an extension, he's probably even more enticing to more teams because he's then not a 1 year flight risk. Trades are not that hard to do when you can combine a couple of $15 million dollar players with some other filler.

Lauri likes it in Utah. From what I understand he doesn't love the idea of tanking, but is willing to do what the Jazz need him to do next year so they can optimize their chances for a high draft pick (we already have 3 1sts in the 2025 draft). He just doesn't want to be in a situation of them tanking year after year.

you forgot to mention a little small detail: the guy doesn't play even near 70 games per season. so, in this regard, he is on the same level of lavine and ingram.
and this has to be taken into consideration when trading for a player that doesn't look like an iron man so to speak.
at the end of the day, the best ability is availability. and for a guy who in 7 years averaged 57-58 games per season, the price the jazz are asking is way too steep. it is a risk to trade for him, regardless of his current contract situation.

[watch1958]

Just walk away. Let Danny build around Lauri .

[SpreeS]

It doesn't matter what Ainge wants, it only matters what he will take.

The bigger issue Ainge will face is that it's becoming harder to trade big salaried players, so giving Lauri an extension does carry some risk in this 2nd apron era. No one wants to trade for Lavine. No one wants to trade for Ingram. If he gives Lauri an extension, he may have to keep Lauri for a year and it'll become even harder to trade him next year. Is Ainge really going to throw away 2 really good chances at good prospects in year 25 and 26, if he can't trade Lauri? He's been trying to trade Lauri for 2 years at an 18M contract. It's going to be even harder for him to trade Lauri at a 50M contract and he's not going to get what he wants at that contract. Making it even harder for him to tank.

Ainge is going to take less to move off of Lauri or he's going to pay someone to take Sexton, Clarkson, Collins off of him.

MDJ just needs to stay strong. If someone outbids him fine. But Ainge wants to trade Lauri, which is why he's leaking deals and he's praying someone comes in to beat our offer. Our current offer isn't all that great unless the Jazz get really lucky in the draft.

We probably keep our 25 pick swap, we'll probably keep our 27 pick swap. Our 26 pick should still be relatively high. The only pick of substance would be 28 and if we're offering 30 (1-20) and maybe 29 pick swap if that's on the table. So we're only really trading 2 unknown picks, if 30 is even on the table and that's 5 years out.

I'm a Jazz fan who's been lurking on this page reading other perspectives about a potential Lauri trade. Respectfully, I come in peace.

I disagree with your premise. I've seen you say that Ainge has been wanting to trade Lauri for 2 years now. That's just not true. In fact, even now, the Jazz really don't want to trade Lauri, and will be happy to resign him. But he has to listen to offers though, right? A GM would be negligent not to at least hear out another team if they are offering you the world. Since he's not really on the market, it falls on the team wanting Lauri to meet the Jazz' price. If not, that's fine no deal and we keep him.

Lauri at $50 million is not the same as Lavine or Ingram at $50 million. They are not comparable players or in comparable situations. Lauri is a player who doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Every team could use a guy like that as their 2nd or 3rd best player. In fact, if the Jazz look to trade Lauri after he gets an extension, he's probably even more enticing to more teams because he's then not a 1 year flight risk. Trades are not that hard to do when you can combine a couple of $15 million dollar players with some other filler.

Lauri likes it in Utah. From what I understand he doesn't love the idea of tanking, but is willing to do what the Jazz need him to do next year so they can optimize their chances for a high draft pick (we already have 3 1sts in the 2025 draft). He just doesn't want to be in a situation of them tanking year after year.

you forgot to mention a little small detail: the guy doesn't play even near 70 games per season. so, in this regard, he is on the same level of lavine and ingram.
and this has to be taken into consideration when trading for a player that doesn't look like an iron man so to speak.
at the end of the day, the best ability is availability. and for a guy who in 7 years averaged 57-58 games per season, the price the jazz are asking is way too steep. it is a risk to trade for him, regardless of his current contract situation.

This is w/o PO games. Now we can imagine how many RS games he would play if we add deep PO runs. And he likes to play for NT in summers too.

[Romulus]

Why hasn't this deal already been completed? Are you telling me seriously that Lacob is unwilling to give up Podz in the deal? Obviously, Warriors aren't serious about this at all. They want to get an all-star and give up nothing. So typical and why they can never make trades.

Curry's last few years? Nothing but a sentimental journey down memory lane as they're a noncontender, looking on the outside of anything meaningful at all.

Disgraceful.

[Onus]

Why hasn't this deal already been completed? Are you telling me seriously that Lacob is unwilling to give up Podz in the deal? Obviously, Warriors aren't serious about this at all. They want to get an all-star and give up nothing. So typical and why they can never make trades.

Curry's last few years? Nothing but a sentimental journey down memory lane as they're a noncontender, looking on the outside of anything meaningful at all.

Disgraceful.

They have until Aug 6th. It’s on ainge to feel the pressure. Ainge is going to take less. It just depends on how much less.

[DevinVassell]

Why hasn't this deal already been completed? Are you telling me seriously that Lacob is unwilling to give up Podz in the deal? Obviously, Warriors aren't serious about this at all. They want to get an all-star and give up nothing. So typical and why they can never make trades.

Curry's last few years? Nothing but a sentimental journey down memory lane as they're a noncontender, looking on the outside of anything meaningful at all.

Disgraceful.

Let's not act like it's just Podz holding up the Lauri deal.

There's a smidge more getting bled from us than that yeah?