The Rebuild Thread

[DonaldSanders]

Lavine is having a bounce back season and has been healthy all year. I can't see the bulls adding a pick in a deal that moves him.

Probably just a stoned fantasy then!

[Jester_]

I wonder if there is any version of a Lavine/2xfiller for Wiggins/Schroder/filler trade where we net a lightly protected 1st? As much as I do like Wiggins, you'd get someone who can beat their man off the dribble & hit 3s while netting an asset.

Lavine is having a bounce back season and has been healthy all year. I can't see the bulls adding a pick in a deal that moves him.

I dono. He's playing well but he's still an albatross and market for him is zilch

[superunknown]

we were too good for lavine last year, as apparently for many other players.

[superunknown]

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looking at number #1, #2, #3 and #5 on the first stat line, I mean.....

[Onus]

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looking at number #1, #2, #3 and #5 on the first stat line, I mean.....

It's crazy that there were warriors fans **** on Ty Jerome.

JP looks like he's recovered.

[whatisacenter]

Super happy for JP. He got such a raw deal here.

[wco81]

Trade Draymond for Poole.

[WarriorGM]

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looking at number #1, #2, #3 and #5 on the first stat line, I mean.....

It's crazy that there were warriors fans **** on Ty Jerome.

JP looks like he's recovered.

-237 for the year 14th on the Wizards. As for who has the best +/- on the Wizards it is one Patrick Baldwin Jr. who is +24 for the year. Why does that name sound familiar?

[xdrta+]

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looking at number #1, #2, #3 and #5 on the first stat line, I mean.....

It's crazy that there were warriors fans **** on Ty Jerome.

JP looks like he's recovered.

-237 for the year 14th on the Wizards. As for who has the best +/- on the Wizards it is one Patrick Baldwin Jr. who is +24 for the year. Why does that name sound familiar?

Baldwin's doing great in his 4.1 garbage time minutes per game. How could the Warriors ever have let him go?

[DAWill1128]

If I had a choice I would've held onto Poole, he can play off ball, move without the ball, has crazy burst attacking the hoop, can drill tough off the dribble jumpers, spot ups, beat you on the break, handle, pass.

Would rather we just kept this lineup together starting games than the absolute mess the last two years have been with new lineups all the time. The grasping for straws for a lineup that can win has been exhausting.
C Looney
PF Green
SF Wiggins
SG Poole
PG Curry

As for Ty Jerome his circumstance is interesting. Ty was bashed a lot on here, I thought he was really good for a 3rd string point guard. Ty was a two way guy we let just walk for nothing and he is every bit as good as Podz who we refused to trade for Lauri. The talent evaluation when it comes to how thats played out is a bit glaring.

[wco81]

If I had a choice I would've held onto Poole, he can play off ball, move without the ball, has crazy burst attacking the hoop, can drill tough off the dribble jumpers, spot ups, beat you on the break, handle, pass.

Would rather we just kept this lineup together starting games than the absolute mess the last two years have been with new lineups all the time. The grasping for straws for a lineup that can win has been exhausting.
C Looney
PF Green
SF Wiggins
SG Poole
PG Curry

As for Ty Jerome his circumstance is interesting. Ty was bashed a lot on here, I thought he was really good for a 3rd string point guard. Ty was a two way guy we let just walk for nothing and he is every bit as good as Podz who we refused to trade for Lauri. The talent evaluation when it comes to how thats played out is a bit glaring.

Ty Jerome is a backup PG for the best team in the league -- at least the best record so far.

He's only playing 17.6 MPG.

Two years ago when he was on the Warriors, he was a more consistent player than Moody, who had the lotto contract while I think Jerome barely had a fully guaranteed minimum deal.

Despite being more productive, obviously the Warriors were going to keep Moody long term and let Jerome walk.

Thing is, I'm not so sure Moody two years from now will be more productive than Jerome is now.

Or, maybe not even 5 years from now, at age 27, which is how old Jerome is now.

[floppymoose]

All of these trades are deck chair shuffles. Do you want the team to be good later on or not?

[DonaldSanders]

All of these trades are deck chair shuffles. Do you want the team to be good later on or not?

What specific trades would you do?

I say that with genuine interest, when I dig around old threads your takes are amongst the best in terms of holding up over time.

[DevinVassell]

Add Poole to the list of yet another silly and early warriors extension. Zero reason to do that unless your both agreeing to a decent discount. Common sense lets him play out that final yr first.

[Twinkie defense]

YOU DO NOT DO A REBUILD BY ACQUIRING ZACH FREAKING LAVINE!

[Twinkie defense]

All of these trades are deck chair shuffles. Do you want the team to be good later on or not?

What specific trades would you do?

You get rid of everyone who will not be a good player on a good contract over the next 2-3 years, and you get whatever assets you can for them - additional young/up and coming players, draft picks. You clean the slate and amass assets.

[floppymoose]

All of these trades are deck chair shuffles. Do you want the team to be good later on or not?

What specific trades would you do?

I say that with genuine interest, when I dig around old threads your takes are amongst the best in terms of holding up over time.

My takes are as full of crap as anyone else's. But that doesn't stop me!

I can't read the minds of GMs and I dont know what trades are possible. I'm more about an approach.

In my dream world, Steph decides he is cool with not contending for the remainder of his career. He decides to remain a Warrior and mentor younguns on a rebuilding squad. But that's just my dream. Maybe Steph would rather go to a different team instead, in which case that is what I would do.

If I were MDJr, I would be focused on acquiring picks and youth. OKC, HOU, and others have kind of shown the way there.

Regardless of whether Steph wants to stay or go, Wiggins stands out to me as a win-now piece who is on the wrong team. He should go to a team with ambitions for the here and now, and in return they should send back a pick and salary filler. I did list a trade for him earlier in the thread, though I have no idea of ATL would do it: Wiggins for Bogdan, Zeller, LAL 1st. I don't think ATL should do this, but if they are just shooting for relevance now instead of building a contender, it could help get them through the 1st round if they are the 4 seed. Or maybe Detroit wants to get into the top 6 this season in the East: Wiggins for Harris and the 2026 DET 1st. https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8827924. Their defense would be scary with Wiggins taking Harris' spot.

I would be open to letting Podz go for a future pick. I like him, and I think he could help a rebuilding squad, so it's not a priority to get rid of him. But I am willing to gamble on better upside from a future pick over his actual upside. If he's not worth a future 1st by himself, maybe he could be bundled with Wiggins to get fewer protections on a first, etc.

What to do with JK depends on things I don't control. If GS can convince teams to work with them instead of signing JK to an offer sheet, then I might facilitate an S&T in return for picks and filler. Otherwise I might just sign JK and keep him.

Not sure anyone wants Green's contract? Maybe he can stick around and punch anyone who gets out of line. I do think he knows a ton about the game and can teach young players a lot. When he isn't punching them.

If GS tears things down now, their future 1sts will be decent. They should be able to pick up another 1 or 2 1st round picks. Drafting to success is the way to build a winner. It's like what they say about democracy: it's the worst form of team building, except for all the others.

[DonaldSanders]

YOU DO NOT DO A REBUILD BY ACQUIRING ZACH FREAKING LAVINE!

Getting assets for your players is part of a rebuild, if you could get a pick for Wiggins that's one way of getting an asset. And the Warriors will never fully tear things down this or next year while Steph is still good (though obviously not as good as he was a few years ago). The idea of that trade was to both address a need and to get something for the future. I already got told it was impossibly optimistic, but you think it is terrible. Why?

You get rid of everyone who will not be a good player on a good contract over the next 2-3 years, and you get whatever assets you can for them - additional young/up and coming players, draft picks. You clean the slate and amass assets.

I understand the general concept of a rebuild already, it's easy to say these things that's why I asked what specific trades floppy would do. What would you do?

[Twinkie defense]

I understand the general concept of a rebuild already, it's easy to say these things that's why I asked what specific trades floppy would do. What would you do?

Specific trades depend on how the Warriors value their young players and what kind of young players they're looking for - if they think JK, Podz, TJD, Post can be key contributors to a winning franchise in 2-3 years, they should keep them. And if they don't, they should trade them for players who they they think will be, or for picks - whatever picks they can get. Open for business, considering all offers. They should help winning teams make trades by taking on short-term salary in exchange for picks.

Same with the older core players like Wiggins - I'm not trying to get some specific player for him, I'm trying to load up on assets for the future.

[DAWill1128]

Lacob is in the business of selling Steph Curry tickets, that's his business. While hoping someone comes along via the draft to fill his place. Lacob doesn't want to go all in because going all in means what comes after will be bad. But Lacob also doesn't want to do a full rebuild because that means choosing bad till it gets good again. The franchise has to be uneasy about what ticket sales and sponsorships look like after Curry, remember he inititally acquired an irrelevant franchise selling $15 tickets. As long as Lacob can hover around being competitive he can sell Steph Curry tickets. This is what happened with Kobe at the end, he could've been a player on a contender. On another note, like Kobe it would've been fun to see him and MJ play the later years on teams trying to contend.