Bucking the Trend - 7pm PDT

[superunknown]

If JK gets anything near a max deal they need to package and trade him as part of that deal. Some nights he’s great, but the rest of the time, he’s an anchor - a guy who looks like a novice to the game who wants big money. Btw- QP looks like a steal. Nice form and nice touch, he can even handle the ball.

no-brainer.
post is definitely a keeper. he's already taken a leap compared from the beginning of the season, his shot and touch for a big man seems legit.
he needs to bulk-up and learn 1-2 things from dray on the defensive end and he's good to go for years.

[bay2hk]

If JK gets anything near a max deal they need to package and trade him as part of that deal. Some nights he’s great, but the rest of the time, he’s an anchor - a guy who looks like a novice to the game who wants big money. Btw- QP looks like a steal. Nice form and nice touch, he can even handle the ball.

That was a terrible game for JK. I think he’s putting a lot of pressure on himself and he couldn’t control his emotion. I don’t think he’s worth the $150m / 5 years warriors offered him in the past offseason right now. If he continues to play this way then Warriors should reduce his minutes to only play when step is on. Warriors should just offer him the QO this offseason, and if anyone wants to give him close to the max then let him walk.

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[Nvnervous45]

Jimmy's free throws allow our players to rest and let's them get back on d, so they give up less buckets in transition. Jimmy's playing 3d chess.

[thunderdunk]

If podz can hit open shots like this consistently watch out. We might have 6 players that can close.

Curry/gp2/podz/moody/jimmy/dray

I’ve got to say Kerr did a great job with the rotation for the most part.

If Podz can hit open shots consistently, he can play for anyone. He already has great hands for rebounding, and led the league in charges taken last year. He's a baller. If he can raise his game shooting, he's a definite rotation guy on anybody's team. Compare his (and QP's) learning curve to JK's. If JK doesn't have a straight line to the basket, he's got nothing.

[DonaldSanders]

What a win!! This was the bounce back game we needed. We came out with a lot more energy after a loss and without our best player, similar to the Nuggets last night (though they had more out).

- If Podz can keep scoring well, he's a huge plus with his already great defense & hustle
- Jimmy Buckets took over in all areas
- Draymond with the best defensive game I've ever seen on Giannis. WOW!
- Buddy Love balled out
- Doc getting upset will never not be funny, I almost died when he buried his head in his lap late in the game.

Only clear minus was JK's big stinker. QP still needs to learn how not to get foul baited, but he's a rook. Steve needs to have a tighter leash with JK when he's playing like he did tonight -- couldn't finish, forcing it, and then that boneheaded flagrant which both robbed us of a possession but also gave them 2 FTs. I'd love to see the next JK game be with fewer shot attempts and be more about fitting in, playing defense, and waiting for his spots.

[superunknown]

What a win!! This was the bounce back game we needed. We came out with a lot more energy after a loss and without our best player, similar to the Nuggets last night (though they had more out).

- If Podz can keep scoring well, he's a huge plus with his already great defense & hustle
- Jimmy Buckets took over in all areas
- Draymond with the best defensive game I've ever seen on Giannis. WOW!
- Buddy Love balled out
- Doc getting upset will never not be funny, I almost died when he buried his head in his lap late in the game.

Only clear minus was JK's big stinker. QP still needs to learn how not to get foul baited, but he's a rook. Steve needs to have a tighter leash with JK when he's playing like he did tonight -- couldn't finish, forcing it, and then that boneheaded flagrant which both robbed us of a possession but also gave them 2 FTs. I'd love to see the next JK game be with fewer shot attempts and be more about fitting in, playing defense, and waiting for his spots.

the GPII role basically

[wco81]

What a win!! This was the bounce back game we needed. We came out with a lot more energy after a loss and without our best player, similar to the Nuggets last night (though they had more out).

- If Podz can keep scoring well, he's a huge plus with his already great defense & hustle
- Jimmy Buckets took over in all areas
- Draymond with the best defensive game I've ever seen on Giannis. WOW!
- Buddy Love balled out
- Doc getting upset will never not be funny, I almost died when he buried his head in his lap late in the game.

Only clear minus was JK's big stinker. QP still needs to learn how not to get foul baited, but he's a rook. Steve needs to have a tighter leash with JK when he's playing like he did tonight -- couldn't finish, forcing it, and then that boneheaded flagrant which both robbed us of a possession but also gave them 2 FTs. I'd love to see the next JK game be with fewer shot attempts and be more about fitting in, playing defense, and waiting for his spots.

Warriors still shot under 40% I believe.

So while some players made big shots and even had a very good game, the role players have been up and down all season, including Podz and Buddy, who both shot well.

GP2 has been shooting 46% for a stretch of games because he's been left WIDE open. But the Nuggets were closing on him, didn't give him a chance to gather the ball slowly and line up his shot. He needs to work on catching and shooting in a quick motion, not the deliberate gather because he's not always going to have that luxury. It's tough but if he did that, he'll get a bigger next contract.

Podz also shoots well when WIDE open but he's had some ugly shooting games.

Role players are going to get looks because Jimmy commands a lot of attention, one play, there were like 2 or 3 Bucks looking at him while he had the ball out about 15 feet along the baseline and Moody just cut from the weak side and got an uncontested layup because all their eyes were on Jimmy, ready to collapse if he tried to take his primary defender to the basket.

Unfortunate thing about JK was that he was playing well when he got injured and has been out for a very long time. He wasn't shooting badly, because he often got wide open looks from 3. Now he's not even stroking it that well.

A couple of seasons ago, he had that pull up or turnaround jumper inside the paint going pretty well but he just hasn't kept that in his bag.

That's what's going to make his contract situation tough. He's shown flashes of having a couple of reliable shots for a big basket, but then he doesn't cheese it over and over so he's not always attacking with a well-defined plan, instead of taking shots he's built muscle memory on.

[floppymoose]

JK is super rusty. The biggest thing he needs on offense is the 3 ball. It opened things up for Moody. For Podz. For Post. For Heild. Basketball is a game of controlling space.

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[cladden]

I would guess that for most of his life he's been bigger and athletically better than basically everyone he played against until the NBA and his tendencies are that he can just beat whoever, but he can't just do that in the NBA. It is hard to change that mentality and what you're talking about with Butler or Giannis, that takes a great amount of work and time to retrain your tendencies. If he takes a leap, I doubt it happens in the next couple of years. Right now, from what I'm seeing, he's still a project 4 years into his NBA career and Golden State has to figure out if they're willing to pay him and hope he makes that leap fairly soon (which could happen).

I am exceedingly optimistic and have no doubt they should pay him. He's already made massive improvements with the ball in his hands this season in regards to pacing and staying in control. But development is always an uneven process. Regardless, the impact Jimmy is making on Kuminga's game is obvious.

So the idea he should be traded just so he can breakout next year or at most the year after? Madness and stupidity.

Do you think he's going to be a ~60% TS% player next year? I don't and that's what you need from a high-volume player if you want to win. Maybe it's worth it to pay him and hope he's ready by the time the max contracts are done in 2 more years.

So for the hell of it I tried to figure out how many SF/PFS in the league have a TS% of 58 >= who also score >= 15ppg.

Disclaimer, I didn't check that this is the truth. I've had AI lie to me on several occasions.

But.

Giannis Antetokounmpo PF Milwaukee Bucks 31.4 60.0
Anthony Davis PF Los Angeles Lakers 25.7 60.2
Jayson Tatum SF Boston Celtics 27.8 59.2
Kevin Durant SF Phoenix Suns 26.4 60.1
LeBron James SF Los Angeles Lakers 25.0 58.9
Brandon Ingram SF New Orleans Pelicans 20.8 58.1
Paul George SF Los Angeles Clippers 20.5 58.4
Jimmy Butler SF Miami Heat 20.2 58.0
Franz Wagner SF Orlando Magic 24.3 58.5
Jaylen Brown SF Boston Celtics 22.8 58.6
DeMar DeRozan SF Sacramento Kings 22.2 58.3
Lauri Markkanen PF Utah Jazz 20.0 58.2
Tobias Harris PF Philadelphia 76ers 15.0 58.0

It's a pretty short list. I suspect that the kind of contact-seeking athletic SF/PF JK is scoring that efficiently is actually unusual. While JK is a PF of sorts he's really not like Giannis and Davis at all.

I think we might to accept a slightly lower efficiency than that.

For the record I quite like him and really hope we get a chance to see if he could take a leap.

****. I just nnotcied that ChatGPT lied to me about something here so I really have no idea if this is true or not

[Sandy333]

This team had business to lose those two games with Jimmy, one to post doncic mavs and one to Nuggets without Jokic, Murray and Braun. This shows lack of in-game coaching and in game adjustments. Even the Bucks made a adjustment at half time. Also officials have too big a say in the game. Steph also shouldn't play until he is fully fit. He was a net negative in the Nuggests game, with so many turnovers. If is not fit He cannot punish people on 1 on 1, which is Nuggets did the whole game. QP is to important for this team.

[Ice Man]

If Jimmy scores mainly because of foul baiting, the answer is simple: Stop fouling him. It's the same principle with Trae -- don't get on his hip and then run into him when he stops -- and the same principle with DeMar -- he's going to go absolutely straight up, no fadeaway, so don't lean forward slightly to block the shot, you're going to foul him. I mean, defenders know what's coming with those guys and they get called anyway. That's just good attacking basketball -- and bad defending.

With Butler, it's simple. He's going to bait you either by pump faking, or by leaning in on the drive when he has beaten you to the spot. The answers are 1) don't bite on the pump fake, and 2) when you're beaten, get out of the way.

Jimmy earns his points, and in an old-school way at that. That is how they used to play, before teams were mostly taking long jump shots. Free throws per game were 29 in the 1980s, as opposed to 22 today.

[Impuniti]

This was an awesome win.

JK is super rusty. The biggest thing he needs on offense is the 3 ball. It opened things up for Moody. For Podz. For Post. For Heild. Basketball is a game of controlling space.

All shooters.. except for JK. People say this like it's something that he can develop. I remember people were talking about Giannis if he can make FTs and shoot 3s, he'd be unstoppable.. in 2019. How does he look now?

[cpower]

This was an awesome win.

JK is super rusty. The biggest thing he needs on offense is the 3 ball. It opened things up for Moody. For Podz. For Post. For Heild. Basketball is a game of controlling space.

All shooters.. except for JK. People say this like it's something that he can develop. I remember people were talking about Giannis if he can make FTs and shoot 3s, he'd be unstoppable.. in 2019. How does he look now?

seriously? Giannis was a superstar in year 4 and MVP candidate (23/9/6).. JK is barely a positive player...

[Impuniti]

This was an awesome win.

JK is super rusty. The biggest thing he needs on offense is the 3 ball. It opened things up for Moody. For Podz. For Post. For Heild. Basketball is a game of controlling space.

All shooters.. except for JK. People say this like it's something that he can develop. I remember people were talking about Giannis if he can make FTs and shoot 3s, he'd be unstoppable.. in 2019. How does he look now?

seriously? Giannis was a superstar in year 4 and MVP candidate (23/9/6).. JK is barely a positive player...

That wasn't my point. I was referring to people waiting for guys who aren't shooters to develop shooting ability, which on most occasions it won't happen. Guys like Podz, Heild and Post fit the mold of a shooter far more than someone like JK.

[cpower]

I think we just have to accept the reality that JK is not a win now player and does not align with our timeline. He makes Moody, Buddy worse, makes the ball movement stop and this will just get worse in playoffs.

Some hard decision will have to be made - are we trying to push for last championship or losing games developing JK in year 4?

[Impuniti]

I think we just have to accept the reality that JK is not a win now player and does not align with our timeline. He makes Moody, Buddy worse, makes the ball movement stop and this will just get worse in playoffs.

Some hard decision will have to be made - are we trying to push for last championship or losing games developing JK in year 4?

I don't even think it's a hard decision. If he doesn't help win games, cut his minutes.

[cpower]

I think we just have to accept the reality that JK is not a win now player and does not align with our timeline. He makes Moody, Buddy worse, makes the ball movement stop and this will just get worse in playoffs.

Some hard decision will have to be made - are we trying to push for last championship or losing games developing JK in year 4?

I don't even think it's a hard decision. If he doesn't help win games, cut his minutes.

it's a hard decision because it's Joe Lacob's pick. Wiseman and JK were his ideas.