Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[Coxy]

Klay + Wiseman + 1st for Turner + Hield
Kuminga for Vanderbilt

We would save around 50/60 mln
Our players time line would be closer
Our defence would be way better
Our chances to repeat would be way bigger

Turner/Looney
Green/Vanderbilt
Wiggs/Moody
Poole/Hield
Curry/DDV

[DonaldSanders]

We aren't trading Klay, at least not during a title defense season.

[tarantism]

Wiseman straight up for Jakob Poeltl. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

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[cpower]

Kuminga for J crowder

[eminence]

Jazz fan - does Kuminga/Wiseman for Markkanen or Vanderbilt/Olynyk carry any interest to Warrior fans (adjustable with minor pick value).

[DonaldSanders]

Jazz fan - does Kuminga/Wiseman for Markkanen or Vanderbilt/Olynyk carry any interest to Warrior fans (adjustable with minor pick value).

Absolutely. Where do we sign up?

I'd be shocked if Utah would give up Markkanen so easily. I have done these in the trade machine already, trust me haha. Vanderbilt/Olynyk seems like the most reasonable trade as Olynyk isn't going to be a future guy for the rebuild.

[clyde21]

yall don't want me to pull up the people that laughed at this at the time.

[HiRez]

Utah does seem like a pretty good trade partner. I think it has to be some tanking team. A team that is in contention or wants to add pieces to be in contention can't use Wiseman and/or Kuminga. And a tanking team might actually want to get rid of some players who are making them a bit too good. Hence, Utah, who is inexplicably 6-2 (and is currently putting a pounding on the Mavs early in the game). That might be fun for the fans, but it's probably not a position they want to be in right now if they want a chance at Wembanyama.

[WarriorGM]

Wiseman for the Spurs' Tre Jones or the 76ers Matisse Thybulle?

[DonaldSanders]

Wiseman for the Spurs' Tre Jones or the 76ers Matisse Thybulle?

Wiseman and? Cuz Wiseman is a negative asset, nobody is giving something good for him, especially the 76ers lol.

The Spurs might be a reasonable trading partner to help them tank, but it would be more like Poeltl for Wiseman + 1st. Spurs gain picks and can tank, we solid/good player now. A little high but idk what else they would accept.

[HiRez]

Jazz fan - does Kuminga/Wiseman for Markkanen or Vanderbilt/Olynyk carry any interest to Warrior fans (adjustable with minor pick value).

Kuminga, Wiseman, Rollins, and a pick for Markkanen and Vanderbilt sounds phenomenal. Then we use the open slot for Dwight Howard.

[DonaldSanders]

Jazz fan - does Kuminga/Wiseman for Markkanen or Vanderbilt/Olynyk carry any interest to Warrior fans (adjustable with minor pick value).

Kuminga, Wiseman, Rollins, and a pick for Markkanen and Vanderbilt sounds phenomenal. Then we use the open slot for Dwight Howard.

Never happening without picks unfortunately

[tarantism]

Jazz fan - does Kuminga/Wiseman for Markkanen or Vanderbilt/Olynyk carry any interest to Warrior fans (adjustable with minor pick value).

Kuminga, Wiseman, Rollins, and a pick for Markkanen and Vanderbilt sounds phenomenal. Then we use the open slot for Dwight Howard.

Never happening without picks unfortunately

Wiseman for Vanderbilt and Gay works in the trade machine and makes a lot of sense. Could probably even get a pick from Utah out of it.

Gay is so much more useful to this team than Olynyk. Incredibly, he also probably holds less value since KO is a big who can shoot. Truly though the goal would be to get Vandy on the Dubs. Poole/Moody/Wigs/Gay/Vanderbilt second unit would play super aggressive on defense or just switch everything if they wanted to.

[WarriorGM]

Wiseman for the Spurs' Tre Jones or the 76ers Matisse Thybulle?

Wiseman and? Cuz Wiseman is a negative asset, nobody is giving something good for him, especially the 76ers lol.

The Spurs might be a reasonable trading partner to help them tank, but it would be more like Poeltl for Wiseman + 1st. Spurs gain picks and can tank, we solid/good player now. A little high but idk what else they would accept.

I thought my idea would get pushback for asking for too little!

If anyone is interested in Wiseman it would be for his potential which the Warriors aren't in the best position to develop. I'm thinking the Spurs might go for it with Tre Jones because they're likely in rebuild mode and may wish to trade Jones for someone with higher potential upside. As for the 76ers, Thybulle seems to have fallen from favor and is being benched. The Warriors might be in a better position than most to make use of Thybulle's talents and cover his deficiencies. Wiseman isn't a match for their timeline or positional needs but maybe Wiseman can be dangled again as an asset with higher potential upside.

Poeltl would be great if he was available but I had dismissed that as unlikely with him wanting to test free agency and likely to command a much higher salary but I hadn't considered that maybe the Spurs faced with the prospect of losing him in free agency may be willing to give him up for something before then. So, hmm.

[clyde21]

Wiseman for the Spurs' Tre Jones or the 76ers Matisse Thybulle?

yes on both, love me some Tre Jones especially

[HiRez]

Wiseman on the Spurs would probably drive Pop into immediate retirement though.

[TB]

I hate piling on Wiseman and Kuminga since it seems like such a panic reaction to the bad start to season... but its basically been the same thoughts since both were drafted. Its just more urgent this year because we lost so many vets.

My main issue with this "two timeline" (its really 3 timelines) is that it would only make sense risking the Curry era if Wiseman/Kuminga seemed like locks to be one of the better duo's in the NBA 5 years from now. But look around the league, MANY team have just as much reason or more to be excited about their younger prospects. I don't think Wiseman/Kuminga even rank in top 10 in terms of what other teams under 23 players are. This isn't Luka taking over for Dirk or Duncan taking over for Robinson.

I do think they will be good players (and even think there is a path to a title this year without any roster changes), but not enough to not go all in for this years title... and here is the most important part... IF we trade them for solid players that fit the WIggins/Poole/Loon timeline.

That's a long way of saying I would have no problem if I woke up and read that we traded an upside player like Kuminga for Vanderbilt. Or Wiseman for a Poeltl type that may be tough to keep longterm. Or, my favorite, literally trading every young player not named moody and picks for OG (yes I don't see Toronto giving him up unfortunately). But you get the idea, give my good players that are in mid twenties that will help instantly.

[HiRez]

My main issue with this "two timeline" (its really 3 timelines) is that it would only make sense risking the Curry era if Wiseman/Kuminga seemed like locks to be one of the better duo's in the NBA 5 years from now. But look around the league, MANY team have just as much reason or more to be excited about their younger prospects. I don't think Wiseman/Kuminga even rank in top 10 in terms of what other teams under 23 players are. This isn't Luka taking over for Dirk or Duncan taking over for Robinson.

Yeah, that's the problem, both Wiseman and Kuminga, it's still hard to tell if they have star potential or will be total busts. Both players have plus-plus athleticism and size, but highly questionable feel for the game and BBIQ. If we were trying to develop say Okongwu and Franz (who we'll see tonight) instead, it'd be a lot easier to live with the mistakes because you have a pretty good sense it's going to pay off eventually.

[TB]

Would Utah potentially accept:

Wiseman and Rollins for Vanderbilt and Azubuike

Guessing they would want Kuminga since they already have Kessler. But might be worth a try. I'd probably do it with Kuminga swapped though if needed (with kuminga you just remove Rollins and Azu and maybe give us some sort of additional asset?).

Funny I still remember the first time watching Vanderbilt I was saying in the game thread "who is this guy! He is everywhere! we need him!". And by the end of the game Curry had him in hell and the spin cycle like 10 times on switches and Fitz was yelling "welcome to the league Vanderbilt". Still left the game being very pro Vandy though.. even if NBA life came at him real fast that game lol

[TB]

Would Utah potentially accept:

Wiseman and Rollins for Vanderbilt and Azubuike

Guessing they would want Kuminga since they already have Kessler. But might be worth a try. I'd probably do it with Kuminga swapped though if needed (with kuminga you just remove Rollins and Azu and maybe give us some sort of additional asset?).

Funny I still remember the first time watching Vanderbilt I was saying in the game thread "who is this guy! He is everywhere! we need him!". And by the end of the game Curry had him in hell and the spin cycle like 10 times on switches and Fitz was yelling "welcome to the league Vanderbilt". Still left the game being very pro Vandy though.. even if NBA life came at him real fast that game lol

With every game it feels like even role players may not be gettable for Wiseman (and maybe Kuminga?)...

Adding to this because another target I'd be after is Javonte Green in Chicago...

Kuminga/PBJ for Javonte/Dalen Terry?

Imagine adding Vanderbilt and Green to give our defense an instant elite boost. I'd trade all the kids not named Moody for them.