2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Little Digger]

And the plot thickens

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[Mylie10]

I’m just not into MaXy. He might end up being ok, but beyond that

[Little Digger]

I’m just not into MaXy. He might end up being ok, but beyond that

I watched a couple of his Kentucky games and found nothing interesting

[Mylie10]

I’m just not into MaXy. He might end up being ok, but beyond that

I watched a couple of his Kentucky games and found nothing interesting

He’s not very big and his shooting numbers suck. He’s a try hard on defense though.

[Little Digger]

I love top of the drafts where my opinion totally differs with 99% of the experts (laughable)

Okoro’s the most competitive player in this draft..he’s the toughest..the most athletic (ok maybe Edwards but it’s close)..the best defensive player..he has Iguodala’s basketball IQ

How the hell is that not elite upside?

my #1..He’ll at the very least turn himself into a Jimmy Butler level shooter..there’s no doubt in my mind

[ShayDee]

If we trade down it's probably for Deni, Toppin or Saddiq Bey. The fit with Okoro I just can't see it. We need shooters on this team that are not Steph and Klay

[Little Digger]

I would never draft for need with a lottery pick..that’s why Nellie and I both wanted Steph desperately even though roster changes would have to be made..Many GM’s would have drafted for fit in that spot..that’s why guys like Vlade Divac are now head French Fry cooks at your local McDonalds

It’s hard enough to hit a double, triple or Grand Salami (Steph) in the NBA draft..no need to drastically cut down your odds with a fit pick ( hello Marvin Bagley)

[TB]

Ya I couldn't care less what our pick provides as a rookie. Anyone we draft I want to be the best player from the draft in 5 years, not next year. Now if they end up helping, or even being ROY, thats a fantastic bonus.

When it comes to need, thats what MLE, TPE, Trades, Vet min are for.

Now if we trade down and pick up an rotation player? great. But i'd still want the draft pick to be the BPA in a few years.

[Mylie10]

If we trade down it's probably for Deni, Toppin or Saddiq Bey. The fit with Okoro I just can't see it. We need shooters on this team that are not Steph and Klay

We need defense from the wing more. Okoro is a beast. He fits well and the shot looks like it is ok. But until he shoots it well, that’s a problem.

But he’s a great finisher.

Guys a winner and a dog. You need those types of guys.

[whatisacenter]

I’m just not into MaXy. He might end up being ok, but beyond that

I watched a couple of his Kentucky games and found nothing interesting

He’s not very big and his shooting numbers suck. He’s a try hard on defense though.

I agree with you two on Maxey and I would add Nico and Cole to the list of PG's that I have no interest in. All 3 were highly touted and had underwhelming seasons.

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this is actually pretty cool! I hope agents for the other prospects take the cue and get their pro days available for viewing.

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[arusinov]

it amazes me how some can have avdija so high on their personal boards and edwards so low.
I get that edwards carries around some legit doubts (like any other player in this draft class and, in general, every player in the draft apart few exceptions) and he's got flaws in his game, but what did avdija show to deserve such consideration in the first place? because he's been playing in euroleague like doncic? That is it. Doncic was way more experienced at certain level and way more developed as a player (and his number were impressive compared to avdija's). the israeli one is a project who'll need at least a couple of years to develop (and it's not certain he will turn into an impactful player).
I'd never invested a top pick on turkoglu. Maybe a 15 and above but def not a top 5 let alone a top 3 pick. At the moment that's avdija' s ceiling: turkoglu.
edwards might turn into a bust (again, like any other player in this draft class), but his upside is higher and in general he has more potential to develop into a higher level player than the israeli one.

What did he show?
Advija led Israel to Euro U20 gold and became Euro U20 youngest ever MVP with 18.4 pts, 8.3 reb, 5.3 ast, 2.1 stl, 2.4 blk (top 5 in tournament in each category).
Avdija became youngest ever Israeli BSL league MVP, and while I-BSL is not one of best leagues in Europe it's still much better league than any NCAA-1 conference.

And speaking about considering Hedo Avdija's ceiling - sure there're some similarities but Avidja is incomparably faster in open court, quicker, has some 5" better vertical and overall much better athlete.

Comparing with other possible top selections in this draft Avdija has best chance to became useful right from the beginning. There's no reason to think he needs more time than any of them to became impactful player...

Now. He's for sure not Doncic. But it's the same as saying that some top American prospect is not LeBron

[superunknown]

it amazes me how some can have avdija so high on their personal boards and edwards so low.
I get that edwards carries around some legit doubts (like any other player in this draft class and, in general, every player in the draft apart few exceptions) and he's got flaws in his game, but what did avdija show to deserve such consideration in the first place? because he's been playing in euroleague like doncic? That is it. Doncic was way more experienced at certain level and way more developed as a player (and his number were impressive compared to avdija's). the israeli one is a project who'll need at least a couple of years to develop (and it's not certain he will turn into an impactful player).
I'd never invested a top pick on turkoglu. Maybe a 15 and above but def not a top 5 let alone a top 3 pick. At the moment that's avdija' s ceiling: turkoglu.
edwards might turn into a bust (again, like any other player in this draft class), but his upside is higher and in general he has more potential to develop into a higher level player than the israeli one.

Edwards probably has the highest ceiling but what are the chances he gets there? He’s literally never been on an above .500 team even in hs. He’s lazy and disinterested and doesn’t have a high motor. He’s got all the talent in the world but can he actually realize it?

Deni on the other hand is known as a hard worker and willing to put in the extra work. Has exceptional size for his position and has shown he’s willing to work for his touches and role. It really depends on what you think his ceiling is. Is it hedo or is it Hayward?

you don't select someone in the top3 based on his willingness to work/put in the extra work. nor just because of his size for the position.
You can with the pick #26, not with the #2 or the #4
what did avdija show so far in terms of talent (backed up with performance, like doncic did) to justify all this consideration?
Plus, he's not the type of draft prospect "ready" to contribute straight away. he's as much a project as many other players in this upcoming draft. if he's a hard worker, he will start to collect the fruits of that hard work not before a couple of seasons in the best scenario.

PS: for what I've seen so far, I still think his ceiling is more turkoglu than hawyard. we'll see in fwew years I guess.

[Onus]

it amazes me how some can have avdija so high on their personal boards and edwards so low.
I get that edwards carries around some legit doubts (like any other player in this draft class and, in general, every player in the draft apart few exceptions) and he's got flaws in his game, but what did avdija show to deserve such consideration in the first place? because he's been playing in euroleague like doncic? That is it. Doncic was way more experienced at certain level and way more developed as a player (and his number were impressive compared to avdija's). the israeli one is a project who'll need at least a couple of years to develop (and it's not certain he will turn into an impactful player).
I'd never invested a top pick on turkoglu. Maybe a 15 and above but def not a top 5 let alone a top 3 pick. At the moment that's avdija' s ceiling: turkoglu.
edwards might turn into a bust (again, like any other player in this draft class), but his upside is higher and in general he has more potential to develop into a higher level player than the israeli one.

Edwards probably has the highest ceiling but what are the chances he gets there? He’s literally never been on an above .500 team even in hs. He’s lazy and disinterested and doesn’t have a high motor. He’s got all the talent in the world but can he actually realize it?

Deni on the other hand is known as a hard worker and willing to put in the extra work. Has exceptional size for his position and has shown he’s willing to work for his touches and role. It really depends on what you think his ceiling is. Is it hedo or is it Hayward?

you don't select someone in the top3 based on his willingness to work/put in the extra work. nor just because of his size for the position.
You can with the pick #26, not with the #2 or the #4
what did avdija show so far in terms of talent (backed up with performance, like doncic did) to justify all this consideration?
Plus, he's not the type of draft prospect "ready" to contribute straight away. he's as much a project as many other players in this upcoming draft. if he's a hard worker, he will start to collect the fruits of that hard work not before a couple of seasons in the best scenario.

PS: for what I've seen so far, I still think his ceiling is more turkoglu than hawyard. we'll see in fwew years I guess.

You’re only high on Edwards because of his his physical attributes otherwise he didn’t prove much in his college other than being a terribly inefficient gunner who was uninterested and lazy. But we shouldn’t select a European prospect because of their physical attributes who actually won mvp in his domestic league.

If Edwards can be constantly engaged and has a will to win, willing to do anything to win yea he’ll be great. But he hasn’t shown that. Avdija has shown that no matter what his role is. As the man he led Israel to back to back u20 FIBA gold and was the youngest mvp. As the man he won mvp in the ibsl. In Euroleague he was used as a spacer and their best defender on a top 6 team. But other than that he’s shown nothing I guess.

[arusinov]

Edwards probably has the highest ceiling but what are the chances he gets there? He’s literally never been on an above .500 team even in hs. He’s lazy and disinterested and doesn’t have a high motor. He’s got all the talent in the world but can he actually realize it?

Deni on the other hand is known as a hard worker and willing to put in the extra work. Has exceptional size for his position and has shown he’s willing to work for his touches and role. It really depends on what you think his ceiling is. Is it hedo or is it Hayward?

you don't select someone in the top3 based on his willingness to work/put in the extra work. nor just because of his size for the position.
You can with the pick #26, not with the #2 or the #4
what did avdija show so far in terms of talent (backed up with performance, like doncic did) to justify all this consideration?
Plus, he's not the type of draft prospect "ready" to contribute straight away. he's as much a project as many other players in this upcoming draft. if he's a hard worker, he will start to collect the fruits of that hard work not before a couple of seasons in the best scenario.

PS: for what I've seen so far, I still think his ceiling is more turkoglu than hawyard. we'll see in fwew years I guess.

You’re only high on Edwards because of his his physical attributes otherwise he didn’t prove much in his college other than being a terribly inefficient gunner who was uninterested and lazy. But we shouldn’t select a European prospect because of their physical attributes who actually won mvp in his domestic league.

If Edwards can be constantly engaged and has a will to win, willing to do anything to win yea he’ll be great. But he hasn’t shown that. Avdija has shown that no matter what his role is. As the man he led Israel to back to back u20 FIBA gold and was the youngest mvp. As the man he won mvp in the ibsl. In Euroleague he was used as a spacer and their best defender on a top 6 team. But other than that he’s shown nothing I guess.

But what precisely are "physical attributes" of Deni Avdija? He's 6'9", 227 lbs which can run coast-to-coast with the ball from steal to dunk in less than 4 seconds, and almost touches rim with his head on some dunks (e.g ~38" max vertical)

[superunknown]

it amazes me how some can have avdija so high on their personal boards and edwards so low.
I get that edwards carries around some legit doubts (like any other player in this draft class and, in general, every player in the draft apart few exceptions) and he's got flaws in his game, but what did avdija show to deserve such consideration in the first place? because he's been playing in euroleague like doncic? That is it. Doncic was way more experienced at certain level and way more developed as a player (and his number were impressive compared to avdija's). the israeli one is a project who'll need at least a couple of years to develop (and it's not certain he will turn into an impactful player).
I'd never invested a top pick on turkoglu. Maybe a 15 and above but def not a top 5 let alone a top 3 pick. At the moment that's avdija' s ceiling: turkoglu.
edwards might turn into a bust (again, like any other player in this draft class), but his upside is higher and in general he has more potential to develop into a higher level player than the israeli one.

What did he show?
Advija led Israel to Euro U20 gold and became Euro U20 youngest ever MVP with 18.4 pts, 8.3 reb, 5.3 ast, 2.1 stl, 2.4 blk (top 5 in tournament in each category).
Avdija became youngest ever Israeli BSL league MVP, and while I-BSL is not one of best leagues in Europe it's still much better league than any NCAA-1 conference.

And speaking about considering Hedo Avdija's ceiling - sure there're some similarities but Avidja is incomparably faster in open court, quicker, has some 5" better vertical and overall much better athlete.

Comparing with other possible top selections in this draft Avdija has best chance to became useful right from the beginning. There's no reason to think he needs more time than any of them to became impactful player...

Now. He's for sure not Doncic. But it's the same as saying that some top American prospect is not LeBron

so now the Euro U20 or the Israeli BSL (played with the Maccabi) constitutes a main argument to select someone with a top 3 pick? in Euroleague he registered only 4 points in 14 mins of use, I'd consider that a more imporrtant data at this stage.
and no, the BSL is not one the best league in Europe. it's not the ACB.
I honestly don't get why he's got the best chances to become useful straight away. based on what? 14mins of use in the Euroleague with less than 30% from 3 and less than 60% from the FTs? he's a project, he is not a ready-to-go prospect (if this is the main reason to pick him. talent-wise is not superior to other prospects in this darft class).

[cdubbz]

If we trade down it's probably for Deni, Toppin or Saddiq Bey. The fit with Okoro I just can't see it. We need shooters on this team that are not Steph and Klay

That’s what our veteran minimums, tpe, & MLE are for. We need to go for best player for our future. Most rookies won’t help us that much now.

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Patrick Williams is just as instinctive and aggressive on defense as Okoro and he also shoot 84% from the free throw line.

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[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Patrick Williams is just as instinctive and aggressive on defense as Okoro and he also shoot 84% from the free throw line.

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Patrick Williams looked pretty solid providing help defense (especially when the opposing offense starts turning their heads during a post-up) to get steals/deflections, and recovery turn into blocks when beaten by a quicker player. And his length and anticipation is something we need.

But, I'm going with Saddiq Bey because of his 3p% (Shot nearly 5 3s a game and averaged about 45%), naturally passing instincts and ballhandling ability. Probably won't be as aggressive defensively like Williams, but should be able to guard 1 - 4 fine.