Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[cdubbz]

I can't believe people want to bring Iguodala back. He's not just on the downside of his career, he is completely washed. Besides, the Heat are not going to pick up his option, if you really want him pick him up this summer on a min contract.

I can see the Warriors signing Iggy on a minimum as a 'going away tour' type goodbye. Jared Dudley role for the Warriors.

I just wonder how long the Warriors will hold onto Damion Lee & JTA. They've both earned their stay in the league, but neither are must haves

[FNQ]

I can't believe people want to bring Iguodala back. He's not just on the downside of his career, he is completely washed. Besides, the Heat are not going to pick up his option, if you really want him pick him up this summer on a min contract.

I can see the Warriors signing Iggy on a minimum as a 'going away tour' type goodbye. Jared Dudley role for the Warriors.

I just wonder how long the Warriors will hold onto Damion Lee & JTA. They've both earned their stay in the league, but neither are must haves

No point in shedding Lee, he makes the min, knows the system, is a capable enough backup. JTA.. losing his luster to me. He misses too many defensive rotations and his offense obv isnt carrying us. And most importantly, is a UFA at years end. If he wants to come back on a non gtd, sure, why not? Anything more and I'd wish him the best

[Crazy-Canuck]

MIlawukee gets Wanamaker

Bucks need a back up PG with the trade of DJ.

GSW

GSW gets Forbes

He is a great fit for catch and shoot plug and play in the motion offense. He leads the league in shots per touch and is in the Klay range this year.

[winforlose]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

[Coxy]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

[winforlose]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

[ahmetmekin]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

Well your 2021 pick is golden and you cannot get it back with a trash offer. It is even more valuable than Wiseman and there is no way it is used to dump Wiggins. The obvious choices are a)draft a future star with it b) Combine it with Wiseman (and possible some other future picks and swaps) to trade for an all-star. So it can be used to trade for Towns with additional other assets from the Warriors perspective but I don't see any other possible trade with Minnesota.

[winforlose]

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

Well your 2021 pick is golden and you cannot get it back with a trash offer. It is even more valuable than Wiseman and there is no way it is used to dump Wiggins. The obvious choices are a)draft a future star with it b) Combine it with Wiseman (and possible some other future picks and swaps) to trade for an all-star. So it can be used to trade for Towns with additional other assets from the Warriors perspective but I don't see any other possible trade with Minnesota.

Future star at 4 or 5 is not likely. If we get 1-3 we are far more likely to be competitive in 21-22. The pick is valuable, but not as valuable as you seem to think it is. As for combining with Wiseman, your own threads talk about Wiseman being a disappointment. You seem to think teams are eager to give away their best players for low returns. Oubre plus Beasley gets you a reasonable talent or you keep Beasley and he fills in for Klay until he is healthy next year (barring further setbacks of course.) The idea of you saving for the future wastes Steph’s prime and trading for better value to compete is difficult when you have Wiggins contract, Green’s contract, and Klay’s contract all as negative assets right now. If/when Klay comes back strong you could trade him and Wiseman for something of value but certainly not a 25 year old superstar. Again, realistic assessment is what I am asking for.

[ahmetmekin]

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

Well your 2021 pick is golden and you cannot get it back with a trash offer. It is even more valuable than Wiseman and there is no way it is used to dump Wiggins. The obvious choices are a)draft a future star with it b) Combine it with Wiseman (and possible some other future picks and swaps) to trade for an all-star. So it can be used to trade for Towns with additional other assets from the Warriors perspective but I don't see any other possible trade with Minnesota.

Future star at 4 or 5 is not likely. If we get 1-3 we are far more likely to be competitive in 21-22. The pick is valuable, but not as valuable as you seem to think it is. As for combining with Wiseman, your own threads talk about Wiseman being a disappointment. You seem to think teams are eager to give away their best players for low returns. Oubre plus Beasley gets you a reasonable talent or you keep Beasley and he fills in for Klay until he is healthy next year (barring further setbacks of course.) The idea of you saving for the future wastes Steph’s prime and trading for better value to compete is difficult when you have Wiggins contract, Green’s contract, and Klay’s contract all as negative assets right now. If/when Klay comes back strong you could trade him and Wiseman for something of value but certainly not a 25 year old superstar. Again, realistic assessment is what I am asking for.

This years draft includes 5 elite prospects so there is a good chance 4th or 5th pick becomes a star.
Wiseman is a recent number 2 pick and his problem is being raw and we need players ready to contribute next year. He is pretty valuable. There was a poll in t&t board recently and people considered him more valuable than Wood. For a rebuilding team Wiseman+4 or 5th pick in 2021+some other picks+swaps is a pretty good return and it is not debatable really. If you do not want to trade Towns then so be it. There are plenty of all-star level players in the league and if someone wants to be traded we will have a competitive package. If not, we can trade one of our premium assets for a guy like Wood.

[winforlose]

Well your 2021 pick is golden and you cannot get it back with a trash offer. It is even more valuable than Wiseman and there is no way it is used to dump Wiggins. The obvious choices are a)draft a future star with it b) Combine it with Wiseman (and possible some other future picks and swaps) to trade for an all-star. So it can be used to trade for Towns with additional other assets from the Warriors perspective but I don't see any other possible trade with Minnesota.

Future star at 4 or 5 is not likely. If we get 1-3 we are far more likely to be competitive in 21-22. The pick is valuable, but not as valuable as you seem to think it is. As for combining with Wiseman, your own threads talk about Wiseman being a disappointment. You seem to think teams are eager to give away their best players for low returns. Oubre plus Beasley gets you a reasonable talent or you keep Beasley and he fills in for Klay until he is healthy next year (barring further setbacks of course.) The idea of you saving for the future wastes Steph’s prime and trading for better value to compete is difficult when you have Wiggins contract, Green’s contract, and Klay’s contract all as negative assets right now. If/when Klay comes back strong you could trade him and Wiseman for something of value but certainly not a 25 year old superstar. Again, realistic assessment is what I am asking for.

This years draft includes 5 elite prospects so there is a good chance 4th or 5th pick becomes a star.
Wiseman is a recent number 2 pick and his problem is being raw and we need players ready to contribute next year. He is pretty valuable. There was a poll in t&t board recently and people considered him more valuable than Wood. For a rebuilding team Wiseman+4 or 5th pick in 2021+some other picks+swaps is a pretty good return and it is not debatable really. If you do not want to trade Towns then so be it. There are plenty of all-star level players in the league and if someone wants to be traded we will have a competitive package. If not, we can trade one of our premium assets for a guy like Wood.

Fair enough, I respect your position even if I don’t agree with it. It is however fair to point out that teams won’t be quick to give full value to a pick that is top 3 protected and has a 40% chance not to convey. That limits your mid season options and by the end of the season Wiseman will be less of a mystery and more of a bust. Assuming he can even stay on the court.

[Coxy]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

Why would I be proud of how deep our owners pockets are? It’s not something a fan would be proud of, merely pointing out that the money issues you think our team has, aren’t issues at all, and if you don’t understand that you have no business discussing trade ideas with us.

As for us having nothing worth Towns or Edwards, without adding them in a trade you have nothing to offer either. You have the worst record in the league (which I predicted you would), and outside of Edwards recently, and Towns (his value is questionable), there’s nothing else worth even discussing in a major deal.

You want your picks back, of course you do, but come correct and bring something better than your criminal wing scorer and trash for them. The used car dealer sales pitch you tried to paint as the reasons why we should do that deal, aren’t real, and if you knew anything about our front office and ownership you’d know that they’d laugh that off the phone.

Your deal sucks and we look forward to selecting a hall of famer with your pick.

[winforlose]

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

Why would I be proud of how deep our owners pockets are? It’s not something a fan would be proud of, merely pointing out that the money issues you think our team has, aren’t issues at all, and if you don’t understand that you have no business discussing trade ideas with us.

As for us having nothing worth Towns or Edwards, without adding them in a trade you have nothing to offer either. You have the worst record in the league (which I predicted you would), and outside of Edwards recently, and Towns (his value is questionable), there’s nothing else worth even discussing in a major deal.

You want your picks back, of course you do, but come correct and bring something better than your criminal wing scorer and trash for them. The used car dealer sales pitch you tried to paint as the reasons why we should do that deal, aren’t real, and if you knew anything about our front office and ownership you’d know that they’d laugh that off the phone.

Your deal sucks and we look forward to selecting a hall of famer with your pick.

Your front office and ownership don’t mind spending huge money on a winning team, but your team is hardly a contender right now. Who knows if Klay will be anywhere close to where he was before the 2 years of injury absence. Either injury by itself is hard to come back from, but both, who knows. Green is past his prime. Wiseman is a disappointment according to your own threads and SB nation community. Steph might be good enough to lead you to the playoffs (we will see) but if you honestly expect to compete with your roster then good luck to you. Your so over burdened you cannot sign anyone and your best trade asset has a 40% chance not to convey. I don’t know what your so high and mighty about but hey, it’s your business. Maybe your owner enjoys losing money and your fan base will stay loyal for mediocre seasons with aging stars. Only time will tell.

[ShayDee]

Your front office and ownership don’t mind spending huge money on a winning team, but your team is hardly a contender right now. Who knows if Klay will be anywhere close to where he was before the 2 years of injury absence. Either injury by itself is hard to come back from, but both, who knows. Green is past his prime. Wiseman is a disappointment according to your own threads and SB nation community. Steph might be good enough to lead you to the playoffs (we will see) but if you honestly expect to compete with your roster then good luck to you. Your so over burdened you cannot sign anyone and your best trade asset has a 40% chance not to convey. I don’t know what your so high and mighty about but hey, it’s your business. Maybe your owner enjoys losing money and your fan base will stay loyal for mediocre seasons with aging stars. Only time will tell.

Your pick is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. If we are not getting an allstar for it then we are not trading it. This is as honest and realistic as a feedback I can give. and Wiseman is not a bust, he doesn't even have 30 games under him in his career

[winforlose]

Your front office and ownership don’t mind spending huge money on a winning team, but your team is hardly a contender right now. Who knows if Klay will be anywhere close to where he was before the 2 years of injury absence. Either injury by itself is hard to come back from, but both, who knows. Green is past his prime. Wiseman is a disappointment according to your own threads and SB nation community. Steph might be good enough to lead you to the playoffs (we will see) but if you honestly expect to compete with your roster then good luck to you. Your so over burdened you cannot sign anyone and your best trade asset has a 40% chance not to convey. I don’t know what your so high and mighty about but hey, it’s your business. Maybe your owner enjoys losing money and your fan base will stay loyal for mediocre seasons with aging stars. Only time will tell.

Your pick is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. If we are not getting an allstar for it then we are not trading it. This is as honest and realistic as a feedback I can give. and Wiseman is not a bust, he doesn't even have 30 games under him in his career

Thank you for a respectful and reasonable response. Out of curiosity what all stars do you expect for it? BTW, it has a 60% of having value. If the wolves don’t get bumped out of 1-3 then it is a 2021-2022 pick with a Wolves team that has a year of seasoning for Edwards and a potential superstar/hall of famer if you believe the posters above. I also want to ask this respectfully and legitimately as you paid me that same courtesy. How sure are you that your owner is willing to spend more than 300 million next season to bring in another all star if everything goes correctly. It’s one thing to buy a championship, but with so many questions surrounding Klay and so little security if an injury sidelines Steph, how sure are is your fan base that he will willing lose money three years in a row?

[xdrta+]

Your tax number is off. The tax will be reduced by the same % as the BRI decreases, at least 30% but could be as much as 50%.

[Mylie10]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

I appreciate the effort, and the soft approach to coming here to discuss said offer, but unfortunately your offer sucks. Beasley, whilst a good scorer, is also a thug and no team should be willing to trade for him if they wish to have high quality individuals on the team.

Layman, Culver, Davis, whatever.

Wiggins fits a need for us, and our picks aren’t going anywhere for that puke package.

I’m terms of the money, I think you’d be best to research up on the Warriors ownership group. They swim around in big Scrooge Mcduck money pits for fun after games and race leer jets when they get on the drink. If money were a problem for them, you think we would have traded for Oubre?

Unless you show up offering either Towns or Edwards, there’s not much to talk about.

You traded for Oubre because your stars are getting old and you didn’t have a hope of getting to the playoffs without him. As for the swimming in money nonsense, if you have to pay more in tax then most teams pay in total to compete that isn’t something to be proud of. You have nothing worth Towns or Edwards and claiming otherwise is the same nonsense talk about getting Giannas for Wiggins.

I welcome honest feedback not trash talk with a side of bs. If anyone else has an honest opinion about my idea please let me know.

I honestly think your idea sucks

[ILOVEIT]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

What might work is a Wiseman, Wiggins for KAT and the pick..that sort of thing. We need to win now. You guys aren't going to be in the WCF or Championship conversation for a few years (not hating just stating).

Would you do Wiggins, Wiseman, Wolves pick....for KAT?

[SAKURABA216]

Your front office and ownership don’t mind spending huge money on a winning team, but your team is hardly a contender right now. Who knows if Klay will be anywhere close to where he was before the 2 years of injury absence. Either injury by itself is hard to come back from, but both, who knows. Green is past his prime. Wiseman is a disappointment according to your own threads and SB nation community. Steph might be good enough to lead you to the playoffs (we will see) but if you honestly expect to compete with your roster then good luck to you. Your so over burdened you cannot sign anyone and your best trade asset has a 40% chance not to convey. I don’t know what your so high and mighty about but hey, it’s your business. Maybe your owner enjoys losing money and your fan base will stay loyal for mediocre seasons with aging stars. Only time will tell.

Your pick is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. If we are not getting an allstar for it then we are not trading it. This is as honest and realistic as a feedback I can give. and Wiseman is not a bust, he doesn't even have 30 games under him in his career

Thank you for a respectful and reasonable response. Out of curiosity what all stars do you expect for it? BTW, it has a 60% of having value. If the wolves don’t get bumped out of 1-3 then it is a 2021-2022 pick with a Wolves team that has a year of seasoning for Edwards and a potential superstar/hall of famer if you believe the posters above. I also want to ask this respectfully and legitimately as you paid me that same courtesy. How sure are you that your owner is willing to spend more than 300 million next season to bring in another all star if everything goes correctly. It’s one thing to buy a championship, but with so many questions surrounding Klay and so little security if an injury sidelines Steph, how sure are is your fan base that he will willing lose money three years in a row?

The only players the Warriors front office would want from the T'Wolves are KAT and Edwards.

They may be willing to deal Wiseman or even the Minnesota 2021 FRP plus a couple 2nd round picks for Edwards. I am basing this solely on the fact that prior to the draft the Warriors FO indicated on multiple occasions that Edwards was the player they coveted the most in the draft. This could help the Wolves by substituting a redundant SG with another center to play along Towns, but what you guys seem to really need is a starting PF.

The second trade is the whole shebang for KAT (Wiseman + Minn 2021 FRP + other FRPs or pick swaps + Oubre + 2nds + whatever else). You guys now get to reboot with a younger team and yada yada yada. Let's face it, Warriors are in win now mode and KAT needs a change of scenery. He has 4 years left on his contract, which will likely be his prime playing years as a big man and he probably does not want to waste those years on a rebuilding team. I know this is difficult, but as a long-time Lions fan I wanted to trade Stafford at least 5 years ago in order to let him try to compete and win somewhere else and I think KAT deserves the same.

[FNQ]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

MIN 1st so much more valuable than this platter.

We signed the DLo experience and came out of it with a lottery 1st in 1 of 2 very nice drafts.. and we're gonna piss that away to save some money and add Malik Beasley with all his off court problems? Nah.. We'll take the lotto selection since the cap savings we'd get dont help us in any way.

Makes no sense to sign all the contracts we did and then give up before everyone's played together. Its akin to someone offering to take DLo from the Wolves for a guaranteed lottery pick, even though he's played all of what, 3 games with KAT?

[winforlose]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

What might work is a Wiseman, Wiggins for KAT and the pick..that sort of thing. We need to win now. You guys aren't going to be in the WCF or Championship conversation for a few years (not hating just stating).

Would you do Wiggins, Wiseman, Wolves pick....for KAT?

Wiggins is a negative asset who needs sweeteners to be taken. Wiseman is at best a project player. Our pick is not even close to enough value. I think you guys are looking through homer glasses.