2020 Draft Thread

[ShayDee]

If we get a higher pick than the Knicks, can they trade down for their pick next year(2021) along with this year(2020) and the clippers pick? or is that an overpay and they would offer Dallas pick instead? I have a feeling we would pick Lamelo just for the chance to trade him for more assets

This is a little confusing, until I looked up the picks the Knicks own the rights to. So are these the deals you’re suggesting/asking about?

Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Knicks’ 2021 #1 + Clippers’ 2021 #1 (This seems to be what you said in the first sentence.)
Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Dallas’ 2021 #1 (This kind of seems like what you meant in the second sentence.)

Of course, any deal (once it’s clear what you’re actually asking) depends on the answer to a question which we don’t know right now: what pick numbers do the Warriors and Knicks end up with after the lottery?

If the Warriors end up at #5, and the Knicks #6, we won’t be able to get much. First off, if the Knicks want LaMelo, he’ll probably be gone already. At most, we could probably get the pick-swap this year, and then the worse of the Dallas/Clippers’ picks next year.

If the Warriors end up at #1 and the Knicks get #6, we obviously could extract the most. I doubt the Knicks would give up their 2021 #1 (unless it’s well-protected). But we could probably get at least the better of the Dallas/Clippers pick, and probably some other assets (Mitchell Robinson, I’m looking at you).

And if the Warriors get #2 and the Knicks get #4? Somewhere in the middle of that.

But honestly, in 2021 the Warriors already have their own pick, and likely Minnesota’s pick (top-3 protected), so they probably want a good player rather than another 2021 draft pick.

Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Knicks’ 2021 #1 + Clippers’ 2020 #1
Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Dallas’ 2021 #1 + Clippers’ 2020 #1

I meant either of those, without taking any players from them, but looking at these trades it seems like an overpay to move up in this draft.

What about; Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Clippers’ 2020 #1
and then we trade with Detroit

Knicks’ 2020 #1 for D.rose + Detroit 2021 #1 (Unprotected)/(Protected 1-5, unprotected 2022)

[ChuckDurn]

If we get a higher pick than the Knicks, can they trade down for their pick next year(2021) along with this year(2020) and the clippers pick? or is that an overpay and they would offer Dallas pick instead? I have a feeling we would pick Lamelo just for the chance to trade him for more assets

This is a little confusing, until I looked up the picks the Knicks own the rights to. So are these the deals you’re suggesting/asking about?

Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Knicks’ 2021 #1 + Clippers’ 2021 #1 (This seems to be what you said in the first sentence.)
Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Dallas’ 2021 #1 (This kind of seems like what you meant in the second sentence.)

Of course, any deal (once it’s clear what you’re actually asking) depends on the answer to a question which we don’t know right now: what pick numbers do the Warriors and Knicks end up with after the lottery?

If the Warriors end up at #5, and the Knicks #6, we won’t be able to get much. First off, if the Knicks want LaMelo, he’ll probably be gone already. At most, we could probably get the pick-swap this year, and then the worse of the Dallas/Clippers’ picks next year.

If the Warriors end up at #1 and the Knicks get #6, we obviously could extract the most. I doubt the Knicks would give up their 2021 #1 (unless it’s well-protected). But we could probably get at least the better of the Dallas/Clippers pick, and probably some other assets (Mitchell Robinson, I’m looking at you).

And if the Warriors get #2 and the Knicks get #4? Somewhere in the middle of that.

But honestly, in 2021 the Warriors already have their own pick, and likely Minnesota’s pick (top-3 protected), so they probably want a good player rather than another 2021 draft pick.

Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Knicks’ 2021 #1 + Clippers’ 2020 #1
Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Dallas’ 2021 #1 + Clippers’ 2020 #1

I meant either of those, without taking any players from them, but looking at these trades it seems like an overpay to move up in this draft.

What about; Warriors 2020 #1 for Knicks’ 2020 #1 + Clippers’ 2020 #1
and then we trade with Detroit

Knicks’ 2020 #1 for D.rose + Detroit 2021 #1 (Unprotected)/(Protected 1-5, unprotected 2022)

You basically ignored the biggest part of my post, which is that there’s a huge variation in what New York might be willing to trade to move, fully dependent on how far they have to move up to get our pick. Moving up 1 spot, they won’t give up much beyond the pick swap. Moving up 3-5 spots, different story.

But in no way would I basically be trying to come out of this draft with Derrick Rose (only 1 year left on his deal, he probably leaves summer 2021) and a couple of “meh” 2021 draft picks (so we’d have 4?????), while also consuming $7.5M of the Iguodala trade exception (to absorb Rose), this further hurting our ability to build the team. No thanks.

[Little Digger]

1 player is by far the best prospect in this draft..If he was in a strong draft? He’d still go top 5..

I’m not going to tell you who that is..You’re going to have to wise up and figure it out for yourself.

[youngWizzy]

Hey guys, I just added a new feature to my site that let's you compare two prospects side by side here: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/compare

Probably one of the cooler tools I've added.

I also added age as a method for comparing players for per40 and advanced stats which a lot of you requested! You can also choose to add manual measurements on the site as well as pick and choose which measurements you would like to compare physical measurements for players. Also similarity scores for comparisons are on the site as well!

If you don't mind checking it out that'd be amazing!!!!

[cdubbz]

My draft excitement is gone. I hope once the NBA starts it’s playoffs it will have the lottery right away.

[Scoots1994]

My draft excitement is gone. I hope once the NBA starts it’s playoffs it will have the lottery right away.

They are probably going to drag it WAY out.

Silver did say that if they re-start there will be no stopping again for infections, so once they start we should at least have a full schedule.

[Little Digger]

#1 pick 14.0%

#2 13.4 %

#3 12.7 %

#4 12.0 %

#5 47.9 %


Avg. 3.7


Our unofficial official lottery odds

[ILOVEIT]

Thanks Digger. Dang....40% chance of being in the top 3....Well not to jinx it but if there is a year to have poor luck in the lottery this would be it. I think Warriors get a player they like in top 5 picks.... Value of the pick as far as trades drops though.

When is the friggin lottery...so dumb that it can't be ran now...easily a remote televised event with teams represented by video conference.

[wco81]

Thanks Digger. Dang....40% chance of being in the top 3....Well not to jinx it but if there is a year to have poor luck in the lottery this would be it. I think Warriors get a player they like in top 5 picks.... Value of the pick as far as trades drops though.

When is the friggin lottery...so dumb that it can't be ran now...easily a remote televised event with teams represented by video conference.

No they want the highest pick possible, because it's a more valuable asset in a possible trade.

Unless there's a big cap savings. The top pick gets about $10 million a year on the rookie deal.

Does the #7 or #8 pick get that much less?

[xdrta+]

Thanks Digger. Dang....40% chance of being in the top 3....Well not to jinx it but if there is a year to have poor luck in the lottery this would be it. I think Warriors get a player they like in top 5 picks.... Value of the pick as far as trades drops though.

When is the friggin lottery...so dumb that it can't be ran now...easily a remote televised event with teams represented by video conference.

No they want the highest pick possible, because it's a more valuable asset in a possible trade.

Unless there's a big cap savings. The top pick gets about $10 million a year on the rookie deal.

Does the #7 or #8 pick get that much less?

It's unknown what the rookie scale will be next season, since it will go up or down the same percentage that the cap moves. For this year the #7 was $5.3M and the #8 pick was $4.8M.

[Mylie10]

Thanks Digger. Dang....40% chance of being in the top 3....Well not to jinx it but if there is a year to have poor luck in the lottery this would be it. I think Warriors get a player they like in top 5 picks.... Value of the pick as far as trades drops though.

When is the friggin lottery...so dumb that it can't be ran now...easily a remote televised event with teams represented by video conference.

Can't do it until the regular season is completed.

I am beginning to believe that the so called negative talk on Wiseman from so called Warrior sources might just be to help drive interest off of Wiseman, who I believe fits BPA and Need.

[The Maestro]

Thanks Digger. Dang....40% chance of being in the top 3....Well not to jinx it but if there is a year to have poor luck in the lottery this would be it. I think Warriors get a player they like in top 5 picks.... Value of the pick as far as trades drops though.

When is the friggin lottery...so dumb that it can't be ran now...easily a remote televised event with teams represented by video conference.

Can't do it until the regular season is completed.

I am beginning to believe that the so called negative talk on Wiseman from so called Warrior sources might just be to help drive interest off of Wiseman, who I believe fits BPA and Need.

Absolutely. First stores that they don’t like Wiseman then stories that like Okongwu better then stories that they’re int take a center at all. Big smokescreen. I bet they love Wiseman. He’s the best asset too.

[xdrta+]

Thanks Digger. Dang....40% chance of being in the top 3....Well not to jinx it but if there is a year to have poor luck in the lottery this would be it. I think Warriors get a player they like in top 5 picks.... Value of the pick as far as trades drops though.

When is the friggin lottery...so dumb that it can't be ran now...easily a remote televised event with teams represented by video conference.

Can't do it until the regular season is completed.

I am beginning to believe that the so called negative talk on Wiseman from so called Warrior sources might just be to help drive interest off of Wiseman, who I believe fits BPA and Need.

Absolutely. First stores that they don’t like Wiseman then stories that like Okongwu better then stories that they’re int take a center at all. Big smokescreen. I bet they love Wiseman. He’s the best asset too.

That may well be true, but does anyone really think that it will influence teams who draft before them?

[The Maestro]

Can't do it until the regular season is completed.

I am beginning to believe that the so called negative talk on Wiseman from so called Warrior sources might just be to help drive interest off of Wiseman, who I believe fits BPA and Need.

Absolutely. First stores that they don’t like Wiseman then stories that like Okongwu better then stories that they’re int take a center at all. Big smokescreen. I bet they love Wiseman. He’s the best asset too.

That may well be true, but does anyone really think that it will influence teams who draft before them?

Maybe, maybe not. One good thing is that most teams that might be ahead of them don’t need a center at all. Cleveland, Atlanta, New York all have centers and the Cavs and Hawks just traded for them.

[xdrta+]

Absolutely. First stores that they don’t like Wiseman then stories that like Okongwu better then stories that they’re int take a center at all. Big smokescreen. I bet they love Wiseman. He’s the best asset too.

That may well be true, but does anyone really think that it will influence teams who draft before them?

Maybe, maybe not. One good thing is that most teams that might be ahead of them don’t need a center at all. Cleveland, Atlanta, New York all have centers and the Cavs and Hawks just traded for them.

Yeah, it's impossible to know what they're thinking. They could look at him as a trade chip, or trade down if they end up # 1 or 2. This draft is such a crap shoot that at this point...who knows?

[Mylie10]

Nellie used to talk players up and down. Its a good use of tactics regardless. You never know how opinions can take shape.

The Warriors front office is one of the leagues best, so it could sway a young gm potentially.

[Scoots1994]

Nellie used to talk players up and down. Its a good use of tactics regardless. You never know how opinions can take shape.

The Warriors front office is one of the leagues best, so it could sway a young gm potentially.

Seems like an odd misdirect to manipulate a bunch of online sources to sow a little doubt in a player there was already doubt about.

[Mylie10]

Nellie used to talk players up and down. Its a good use of tactics regardless. You never know how opinions can take shape.

The Warriors front office is one of the leagues best, so it could sway a young gm potentially.

Seems like an odd misdirect to manipulate a bunch of online sources to sow a little doubt in a player there was already doubt about.

The doubt about Wiseman definitely helps the fact that he could slip if we dont get the number one pick.

Some of the local writers who have said the things about Wiseman are claiming that they have Warrior sources telling them this stuff. So could be legit, or could be manipulation.

[cdubbz]

I said this before, but if we draft Wiseman I would hope we sign a veteran big like Tyson Chandler to mentor him.

Chandler turns 38 in October. Played 8mpg last season and very well may be washed up, but a year of mentoring a 19-20yo can be very helpful for a Wiseman. Curry, Klay, Green, Can only do so much I would rather use a roster spot to take on the role.

Our team is so young and we need veterans to grow the young guys.

[azwfan]

I said this before, but if we draft Wiseman I would hope we sign a veteran big like Tyson Chandler to mentor him.

Chandler turns 38 in October. Played 8mpg last season and very well may be washed up, but a year of mentoring a 19-20yo can be very helpful for a Wiseman. Curry, Klay, Green, Can only do so much I would rather use a roster spot to take on the role.

Our team is so young and we need veterans to grow the young guys.

Dragan Bender can mentor him.