James Wiseman 2021/2022

[Samurai]

The most shocking reminder of this thread is that Looney was originally projected as a 3. Can you imagine slashing Looney at SF lmfao

Someone actually thought he'd be a 3? I saw him at UCLA and never thought he'd be an NBA 3.

Some thought he was the next coming of durant...he was pretty active as a high schooler and had some perimeter game. The bad hips have limited that significantly. Will be interesting to see if he continues to gain lower body strength.

I can understand how bad hips can take away your mobility and hops. But if you are touted as "the next coming of Durant", I'm not sure what happened to his shooting. Not sure how the bad hips turned "the next Durant" into a 60% FT shooter and 17% from beyond the arc. Something doesn't add up with that.

[a8bil]

Someone actually thought he'd be a 3? I saw him at UCLA and never thought he'd be an NBA 3.

Some thought he was the next coming of durant...he was pretty active as a high schooler and had some perimeter game. The bad hips have limited that significantly. Will be interesting to see if he continues to gain lower body strength.

I can understand how bad hips can take away your mobility and hops. But if you are touted as "the next coming of Durant", I'm not sure what happened to his shooting. Not sure how the bad hips turned "the next Durant" into a 60% FT shooter and 17% from beyond the arc. Something doesn't add up with that.

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/RIHKq5V-I0WxoVrVrF1R-A/kevon-looney-draws-comparisons-as-next-kevin-durant.htm

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He was a 40% shooter from deep and could face up and drive from the 3 pt line. I don't know what happened either, but them's the facts (and so is his abysmal shooting in the NBA!).

[FNQ]

UCLA stans were hyping him as the next KD when they got him.. any rabid Pac10+2 fans can corroborate

And the rebounding didnt come out of nowhere, he's been an excellent team rebounder since the jump. Its in fact the only skill you could have really sold about him coming out of UCLA. Which was why it was laughable he was considered a lotto pick and invited to the draft, and I think where we got him was pretty much where he should have gone.

Lucky for us... but yeah Looney got quite a bit of crazy hype. Blame SoCal. Down there a fart in a jar can get enough buzz to be noteworthy

[FNQ]

Someone actually thought he'd be a 3? I saw him at UCLA and never thought he'd be an NBA 3.

Some thought he was the next coming of durant...he was pretty active as a high schooler and had some perimeter game. The bad hips have limited that significantly. Will be interesting to see if he continues to gain lower body strength.

I can understand how bad hips can take away your mobility and hops. But if you are touted as "the next coming of Durant", I'm not sure what happened to his shooting. Not sure how the bad hips turned "the next Durant" into a 60% FT shooter and 17% from beyond the arc. Something doesn't add up with that.

Same way OJ Mayo, Andrew Wiggins and Harrison Barnes were comped to MJ and Kobe. If you have a nice, repeatable form and your accuracy is near the rim, people make the assumption that you will eventually become a knockdown shooter like those two. Coming out of HS Looney had solid form and was way more mobile, so they naturally thought the shot would come around. As Looney's injuries stacked up, he started working on other things - and this was pre UCLA even. So the whole jumpshot hype was based on him hitting some solid looking jumpers in HS

also, fart in a jar

[clyde21]

also, fart in a jar

facts

[Big J]

also, fart in a jar

facts

New Wiseman nickname?

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

What can Wiseman net us since we can prove that having 6'9" and under players, switchability and length, and high IQ players wins you games and ultimately and possibly the 'ship?

I'll say it over and over: He would have been a great draft pick for a developing/crappy/bottom of the barrel team. He didn't make sense for what and how this team is built. Wiseman's physical attribute could easily be filled by taking in a low-lottery pick or someone from the G-League who's only role on the team at the 5 is to play defense, block shots, and rebound.

[FNQ]

What can Wiseman net us since we can prove that having 6'9" and under players, switchability and length, and high IQ players wins you games and ultimately and possibly the 'ship?

I'll say it over and over: He would have been a great draft pick for a developing/crappy/bottom of the barrel team. He didn't make sense for what and how this team is built. Wiseman's physical attribute could easily be filled by taking in a low-lottery pick or someone from the G-League who's only role on the team at the 5 is to play defense, block shots, and rebound.

I think this takes away the wrong message - you don't have to be under a certain height just because you don't have to be OVER a certain height. Wiseman can absolutely contribute if he's capable, its just that smaller players are usually more likely to be capable. That said, Wiseman is a unique physical specimen so thats why he was taken. Its not proven to be the right call yet, but we also don't need the immediate returns

[Impuniti]

Still need to see him on the court for a solid month once he's back before we can make any judgements. Saying that, I do hope Kerr actually coaches him this time around and doesn't treat him like a lottery team as he did 2 seasons ago. He will learn like Kuminga and Moody by getting minutes and earning more if they play better over time.

I think for people who want him gone, I don't think it happens unless they either know something others don't. Likely scenario is they ride this out and see what he gives before Feb 23.

[Onus]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

[azwfan]

Saw some activity in this thread and got excited there was some news on him playing in SL or something.

Nope. Just the same stuff. Im amazed how many new thoughts can be created off of zero new information.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

Kuminga is made for the modern NBA. What is the expectation for some who think Wiseman will thrive? An example is Phoenix thinking about not giving DeAndre Ayton the max and he's suppose to be the centerpiece with Booker. He's done well with what's expected of him, and he's still developing. Why aren't they immediately locking him up long-term? Because of CP3?

Sorry, slow bball news for awhile and just nitpicking. But, does pose some questions and concerns as to what Wiseman's capable. For now, we're banking on his potential.

[azwfan]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

Kuminga is made for the modern NBA. What is the expectation for some who think Wiseman will thrive? An example is Phoenix thinking about not giving DeAndre Ayton the max and he's suppose to be the centerpiece with Booker. He's done well with what's expected of him, and he's still developing. Why aren't they immediately locking him up long-term? Because of CP3?

Sorry, slow bball news for awhile and just nitpicking. But, does pose some questions and concerns as to what Wiseman's capable. For now, we're banking on his potential.

Word round these parts is that Monty doesnt like coaching Ayton and there is too much hand holding that needs to go on in order for him to compete hard. Recent article about Ayton not sleeping prior to game days due to playing video games all night long was not a good look either. Seems that they dont think he’s worth the max (they would sign him for less but he wont accept less). Could have to do with his archetype but dont think so.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

Kuminga is made for the modern NBA. What is the expectation for some who think Wiseman will thrive? An example is Phoenix thinking about not giving DeAndre Ayton the max and he's suppose to be the centerpiece with Booker. He's done well with what's expected of him, and he's still developing. Why aren't they immediately locking him up long-term? Because of CP3?

Sorry, slow bball news for awhile and just nitpicking. But, does pose some questions and concerns as to what Wiseman's capable. For now, we're banking on his potential.

Word round these parts is that Monty doesnt like coaching Ayton and there is too much hand holding that needs to go on in order for him to compete hard. Recent article about Ayton not sleeping prior to game days due to playing video games all night long was not a good look either. Seems that they dont think he’s worth the max (they would sign him for less but he wont accept less). Could have to do with his archetype but dont think so.

Even with some character flaws, he's still able to put up 17 ppg and 10 rpg is pretty decent. Career averages of 16 ppg, 10 rpg, 1 bpg, and 75% ft %. Is that worthy of a max contract? Depends, ever since CP3 got there, he dictates the flow of their offense even at 37 y/o and makes it easier for DeAndre. So, that could also be the reason for his season averages. To sum up, teams do overpay for average/mediocre players these days.

But I digress. Only advantage Ayton has over Wiseman is having ample playing time early within his season to actually develop when Phoenix had nothing going for them. Wiseman, as we know, only sparked potential in 3 collegiate games. And sustained that leg injury last season, and and a setback with the same injury earlier this year and Kerr decided to shut him down since they didn't need him to be rushed back (Rightfully so). So, Wiseman is behind the learning curve to gain experience. It won't be until we see who he really is in the next 2-3 years. and Curry will be 37-38 years old by then. Hopefully, Wiseman proves me wrong.

[clyde21]

Someone actually thought he'd be a 3? I saw him at UCLA and never thought he'd be an NBA 3.

Some thought he was the next coming of durant...he was pretty active as a high schooler and had some perimeter game. The bad hips have limited that significantly. Will be interesting to see if he continues to gain lower body strength.

I can understand how bad hips can take away your mobility and hops. But if you are touted as "the next coming of Durant", I'm not sure what happened to his shooting. Not sure how the bad hips turned "the next Durant" into a 60% FT shooter and 17% from beyond the arc. Something doesn't add up with that.

nobody really thought he was the next Durant outside of some randos on youtube and twitter who call every HS prospect the next 'insert name here' for clicks. if people thought he was the 'next Durant' he wouldve went top3 lol.

[Onus]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

Kuminga is made for the modern NBA. What is the expectation for some who think Wiseman will thrive? An example is Phoenix thinking about not giving DeAndre Ayton the max and he's suppose to be the centerpiece with Booker. He's done well with what's expected of him, and he's still developing. Why aren't they immediately locking him up long-term? Because of CP3?

Sorry, slow bball news for awhile and just nitpicking. But, does pose some questions and concerns as to what Wiseman's capable. For now, we're banking on his potential.

I'm not sure what the expectations are for Wiseman. But he's a physical specimen, that has elite traits but is raw. Maybe he may have some matchup issues down the road but he'll bring something to the team that we don't currently have.

Suns the reason they aren't locking up Ayton is because Sarver who isn't willing to spend. Sure there's other issues other than that, but that's no 1. It's funny because they got beat up because they were too small against milwaukee, so they brought in a bunch of centers and then this year they got beat because they couldn't guard or score against a switching defense. So it's important to have versatility. They probably wanted Ayton be be able to take advantage of the smaller Mavs but they never played through him all year so it's hard to just just your entire offense and they chose not to for whatever reason.

I mean Jokic, Embiid, Giannis were the top 3 mvp getters the last 2 years and they're absolutely getting locked up long term.

[clyde21]

Kuminga is made for the modern NBA. What is the expectation for some who think Wiseman will thrive? An example is Phoenix thinking about not giving DeAndre Ayton the max and he's suppose to be the centerpiece with Booker. He's done well with what's expected of him, and he's still developing. Why aren't they immediately locking him up long-term? Because of CP3?

Sorry, slow bball news for awhile and just nitpicking. But, does pose some questions and concerns as to what Wiseman's capable. For now, we're banking on his potential.

Word round these parts is that Monty doesnt like coaching Ayton and there is too much hand holding that needs to go on in order for him to compete hard. Recent article about Ayton not sleeping prior to game days due to playing video games all night long was not a good look either. Seems that they dont think he’s worth the max (they would sign him for less but he wont accept less). Could have to do with his archetype but dont think so.

Even with some character flaws, he's still able to put up 17 ppg and 10 rpg is pretty decent. Career averages of 16 ppg, 10 rpg, 1 bpg, and 75% ft %. Is that worthy of a max contract? Depends, ever since CP3 got there, he dictates the flow of their offense even at 37 y/o and makes it easier for DeAndre. So, that could also be the reason for his season averages. To sum up, teams do overpay for average/mediocre players these days.

Wiseman can get 16/10, that's not the problem, the problem is that that 16/10 would have to come outside our offense unless we turn him strictly into a roller/putback guy. if he's okay with that fine...but I doubt he is. dude thinks he's KD.

[azwfan]

Kuminga is made for the modern NBA. What is the expectation for some who think Wiseman will thrive? An example is Phoenix thinking about not giving DeAndre Ayton the max and he's suppose to be the centerpiece with Booker. He's done well with what's expected of him, and he's still developing. Why aren't they immediately locking him up long-term? Because of CP3?

Sorry, slow bball news for awhile and just nitpicking. But, does pose some questions and concerns as to what Wiseman's capable. For now, we're banking on his potential.

Word round these parts is that Monty doesnt like coaching Ayton and there is too much hand holding that needs to go on in order for him to compete hard. Recent article about Ayton not sleeping prior to game days due to playing video games all night long was not a good look either. Seems that they dont think he’s worth the max (they would sign him for less but he wont accept less). Could have to do with his archetype but dont think so.

Even with some character flaws, he's still able to put up 17 ppg and 10 rpg is pretty decent. Career averages of 16 ppg, 10 rpg, 1 bpg, and 75% ft %. Is that worthy of a max contract? Depends, ever since CP3 got there, he dictates the flow of their offense even at 37 y/o and makes it easier for DeAndre. So, that could also be the reason for his season averages. To sum up, teams do overpay for average/mediocre players these days.

Well, I dont know the reason. But I’ll just say that everything Ive heard locally has nothing to do with his size, position, or production.

They dont trust him. If he needs CP3 and coach to motivate him prior to every game… at some point if hes taking up a large % of the cap he needs to self motivate and lead.

Compare that to Poole, who busted his ass the past few years and appears to not need to be motivated, but if anything, needs to be calmed down. Or maybe just some maturity. Ayton appears to be a highly talented dude who would rather be gaming.

Ppl on here complain about Draymond having a podcast a few times a week and yet Ayton is gaming all night long to the extent of not getting sleep.

Could just be media manipulation, but from the information we have priorities are not in the right spot for Deandre.

[Onus]

Word round these parts is that Monty doesnt like coaching Ayton and there is too much hand holding that needs to go on in order for him to compete hard. Recent article about Ayton not sleeping prior to game days due to playing video games all night long was not a good look either. Seems that they dont think he’s worth the max (they would sign him for less but he wont accept less). Could have to do with his archetype but dont think so.

Even with some character flaws, he's still able to put up 17 ppg and 10 rpg is pretty decent. Career averages of 16 ppg, 10 rpg, 1 bpg, and 75% ft %. Is that worthy of a max contract? Depends, ever since CP3 got there, he dictates the flow of their offense even at 37 y/o and makes it easier for DeAndre. So, that could also be the reason for his season averages. To sum up, teams do overpay for average/mediocre players these days.

Wiseman can get 16/10, that's not the problem, the problem is that that 16/10 would have to come outside our offense unless we turn him strictly into a roller/putback guy. if he's okay with that fine...but I doubt he is. dude thinks he's KD.

This is similar to all our young guys though. They all play outside of our system. Poole, Kuminga, Wiseman (excluding Moody he is the one that is willing and knows how to play in our system). But they're young and hopefully moldable to fit into the system and break out of it when needed, that's why they were drafted. I mean we want Curry to break out of the system as well at times to take over. And really the system is going to change if Curry ever slows down hopefully not for a few more years.

[Big J]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

I've never seen Kuminga get sized by an offensive player and then taken 1on1 to the hole and get put into the basket with an AND1 on top of it. I'll never forget when that happened to Wiseman when he tried guarding Lebron out on the perimeter. He looked like a scared baby deer, and there's nothing that shows that he will ever be able to guard guys out on the perimeter at his size. Kuminga could easily be one of the 5 guys who finishes a game for us in the playoffs. Wiseman will never do that.