Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Crazy-Canuck]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45816235/jonathan-kuminga-no-rush-accept-warriors-contract-offers

This has been an ice-cold market for restricted free agents because of the lack of cap space around the league. The Warriors anticipated that and believe they've offered Kuminga the highest starting salary currently on the table for him.

They were optimistic about their most recent pitch, but Kuminga didn't take it. His side will continue scouring the league for sign-and-trade opportunities in hopes that something eventually pops.

The problem with scouring the league for a S&T deal is the Warriors would still have to agree to it, while addressing BYC matching issues and the 1st apron.

I guess the hope for the Kuminga camp is to get one offer, even if refused by the Warriors, to somehow set a "value" on Kuminga going forward. We're already 3 1/2 weeks into free agency, and here they are, still looking for a S&T deal.

His agent "scouring " the league, which means every team is privy to their asking price. Imo, that's where the 30M leak is coming from. A noob agent trying to play with the big boys while telling everyone who would listen about the contract demands. Did he really think none of this wound get leaked when "scouring" the league. Now his tweet back makes more sense.

[Onus]

Hilarious that jk and his camp thinks his role would be better in sac. They have domas/lavine/ddr/monk/schroeder to run offense through while also having Keegan who is their jk and would like to get more involved on offense.

We have curry/jb/dray that we can run plays through.

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to Slater:

Kerr is the one trying to get kuminga back, offering a secondary scoring role and minutes.

Apparently, kuminga rebuffed the gesture and wants to be the first option and center of an offense.

This is going to get ugly, with sides are faaaar apart in money and role.

[Onus]

According to Slater:

Kerr is the one trying to get kuminga back, offering a secondary scoring role and minutes.

Apparently, kuminga rebuffed the gesture and wants to be the first option and center of an offense.

This is going to get ugly, with sides are faaaar apart in money and role.

Apparently we’re offering the most money and probably the 2nd best role. Phx/us/sac for role. But phx has nothing to offer so they’re not really in this at all.

Reading between the lines it just seems like he doesn’t want to be here anymore. Hopefully we can get Keon and move on from this.

[statsman]

According to Slater:

Kerr is the one trying to get kuminga back, offering a secondary scoring role and minutes.

Apparently, kuminga rebuffed the gesture and wants to be the first option and center of an offense.

This is going to get ugly, with sides are faaaar apart in money and role.

Of course he's taking that stance. He knows that the Warriors would never agree to it, and now he wants to force a S&T after crippling his trade value even further this offseason.

The realist in me says the Warriors will try to find the best S&T deal in a pile of cr@p offers, and move on with the season. The stubborn @sshole in me wants the Warriors to let Kuminga sit indefinitely, even if all the way to the next offseason.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The really should have sent loon,gp2, and kuminga in the deal for Jimmy, Not wiggins.

Now all 3 guys might be off the team for nothing.

[statsman]

The really should have sent loon,gp2, and kuminga in the deal for Jimmy, Not wiggins.

Now all 3 guys might be off the team for nothing.

The salaries wouldn't have worked. Beyond that, the Warriors would have had to cough up at least one more first round pick to have some team take those two extra players, even as expiring. The Warriors were working with the narrowest of margins under the 1st apron, and the salary difference was about $2M more short.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Nets offer to cam Thomas.

2 years 28M with a team option. One way scorers just aren't worth their salary anymore. If they aren't a 1st option, and they can't defend well, then they are 6th men.

Grimes was also rumored to have gotten an MLE type offer from the 6ers.

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to seigal:

Kings now included a protected 1st with saric and Carter.

Warriors want Keegan or Ellis. Kings have put those 2 off limits.

[statsman]

Just a brutal offseason for the handful of restricted FAs. I wonder how many of Giddey, Kuminga, Thomas, and Grimes will say FU and take the qualifying offer.

[marthafokker]

The really should have sent loon,gp2, and kuminga in the deal for Jimmy, Not wiggins.

Now all 3 guys might be off the team for nothing.

The salaries wouldn't have worked. Beyond that, the Warriors would have had to cough up at least one more first round pick to have some team take those two extra players, even as expiring. The Warriors were working with the narrowest of margins under the 1st apron, and the salary difference was about $2M more short.

BS. Wiggins = Loon/GP2/JK salary.

A 1st to make this happen is a hell a lot better than now. And we all saw Kerr cried when he found out Wiggins was traded. So that is so much better than this trap that is now.

Even if this means no Al, they could have landed so many other center options in FA.

[statsman]

BS. Wiggins = Loon/GP2/JK salary.

2024-25:

Wiggins: $26.277M

Looney + GP2 + Kuminga = $24.766M

That's $1.51M less salary with the three of them. The Warriors had less room than that against the 1st apron at the time of the trade. Less than $1M. It would not have worked.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Any sign and trade now with kuminga leaves us without a break in case of emergency option.

We'd have nothing left (salary wise) to make a move to put us over the top at the deadline.

Steph has a 2 year window.

[marthafokker]

BS. Wiggins = Loon/GP2/JK salary.

2024-25:

Wiggins: $26.277M

Looney + GP2 + Kuminga = $24.766M

That's $1.51M less salary with the three of them. The Warriors had less room than that against the 1st apron at the time of the trade. Less than $1M. It would not have worked.

Hell... dump Kerr's other favorite white meat into the trade then.

[DonaldSanders]

According to seigal:

Kings now included a protected 1st with saric and Carter.

Warriors want Keegan or Ellis. Kings have put those 2 off limits.

Siegal is unreliable/makes stuff up, but I'll pretend this is real since this off-season is so boring. But if the protection is light enough, this is something we should take even though Carter is not a need. A 1st is a real asset, and Carter is at least something, even if I don't care for another defensive guy who can't shoot.

[vvoland]

According to Slater:

Kerr is the one trying to get kuminga back, offering a secondary scoring role and minutes.

Apparently, kuminga rebuffed the gesture and wants to be the first option and center of an offense.

This is going to get ugly, with sides are faaaar apart in money and role.

That's not how I read it, at all. Considering Kerr has publicly promised jk will have a big role, start, etc. only to change his mind 5 games later, I can understand if jk doesn't trust the gesture. From the article, emphasis mine:

"Kuminga would be a significant part of the Warriors' rotation to open next season, and they'd need his supplementary scoring on nights when Steph Curry, 37, or Jimmy Butler, 35, rest.

But Kuminga no longer wants to be a secondary option or a fallback plan, fearing a minimization in important moments"

I really don't think it's the shot quantity or where he is as a scoring option that is the sticking point. Jk may be ok not closing some nights but wants to earn the chance to finish games. He also seems to be, understandably, concerned he may find himself near the back of the rotation, if Steve gets antsy.

[superunknown]

The Suns and Kings have reportedly made “concrete” trade offers to the Warriors for kuminga, per Shams Charania and Jake Weinbach.
concrete trade offers like what? saric+carter+1 first? is this the definition of a "concrete trade offer" now? the whole situation has become grottesque to say the least.

[One_and_Done]

According to seigal:

Kings now included a protected 1st with saric and Carter.

Warriors want Keegan or Ellis. Kings have put those 2 off limits.

Kings are overpaying. I think the GSW front office isn't being realistic here.

[bay2hk]

Nets offer to cam Thomas.

2 years 28M with a team option. One way scorers just aren't worth their salary anymore. If they aren't a 1st option, and they can't defend well, then they are 6th men.

Grimes was also rumored to have gotten an MLE type offer from the 6ers.

So RFAs and their NBA teams are playing a game of chicken. JK is a MLE type player too. If Nets are cheaping out on their own RFA I highly doubt they would offer anything above the MLE to JK.

I say when the first RFA accepts a deal the rest will follow.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Nets offer to cam Thomas.

2 years 28M with a team option. One way scorers just aren't worth their salary anymore. If they aren't a 1st option, and they can't defend well, then they are 6th men.

Grimes was also rumored to have gotten an MLE type offer from the 6ers.

So RFAs and their NBA teams are playing a game of chicken. JK is a MLE type player too. If Nets are cheaping out on their own RFA I highly doubt they would offer anything above the MLE to JK.

I say when the first RFA accepts a deal the rest will follow.

So, just inferring more about slaters comments:

Gsw is offering the most money
Kuminga doesn't think it's enough.
They are far apart on a number.
Nets and 6ers offering their rfas 14ish.
Giddey is probably the prize of this rfa crop, but he won't get 25-30 either.

Jk and his camp want 30M from gsw.
Gsw offers 20
Kings and the Suns are offering less than 20, but are offering more minutes and a starting role.