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Post#1381 » by cdubbz » Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:46 am

BballIntellect wrote:I'd take a whole lot of players before Okoro. I'm sick and tired of the Warriors acquiring bum offensive players and not getting any criticism for it because they know Steph and Klay are going to carry them. Ideally you can get a two way player but at least get someone who can score. I'm sick of the defense getting away with triple teams and box and one on Steph because they don't respect anyone else on the court.


Same here. Our best offensive weapons off the bench during the title run: Mo Speights, Barbosa, Swaggy P etc.

I would love just having an offensive minded guy on our bench that fits our system.
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Post#1382 » by Onus » Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:30 pm

I’m liking Ty-Shon Alexander out of Creighton. Great poa defender high level shooter that plays in a motion offense. Can handle the ball
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Post#1383 » by Onus » Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:32 pm

I also get this sick feeling that we’re going to pass on wiseman.
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Post#1384 » by BballIntellect » Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:54 pm

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BballIntellect wrote:I'd take a whole lot of players before Okoro. I'm sick and tired of the Warriors acquiring bum offensive players and not getting any criticism for it because they know Steph and Klay are going to carry them. Ideally you can get a two way player but at least get someone who can score. I'm sick of the defense getting away with triple teams and box and one on Steph because they don't respect anyone else on the court.


Same here. Our best offensive weapons off the bench during the title run: Mo Speights, Barbosa, Swaggy P etc.

I would love just having an offensive minded guy on our bench that fits our system.


Iggy used to be a great spark offensively off the bench for a while too but once we acquired KD, he started riding Steph and KD's coattails and was missing every other game. He was still really valuable, especially in big moments but he wasn't the same anymore.

It isn't talked about a lot but our bench after 2017 was really weak. Iggy and Shaun started breaking down and nobody else was reliable. We didn't pay attention to it because our starting lineup was the best of all time and we were blowing out most teams by the third quarter. It won't happen next year.

What we do with the draft pick, the MLE and the TPE is key.

Along with which Steph are we getting ? If he's an MVP caliber player, we're probably a fringe contender meaning not on the level of the Lakers, Clippers and the Bucks but just behind. If Steph declines and isn't MVP caliber anymore then we're a sixth seed with a second round ceilling.

If we get a diminished version of prime Steph, what we need is a really deep team to somewhat make up for it and we don't have it right now. I only have faith in seven players to make positive contributions to the rotation next year : Steph, Klay, Draymond, Wiggins, Chriss, Paschall and Looney (if healthy.)
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#1385 » by Commodor » Sat Jun 6, 2020 5:25 pm

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Commodor wrote:Isaac Okoro.

Plug and play defender, high IQ, solid build, great athleticism and a strong work ethic.

He’s got GSW written all over him. If he can develop a jumper he’ll be an all star for years.


Okoro is a less talented version of Josh Jackson. And we can sign Josh Jackson this offseason for the league minimum if we really want him. I don't trust wing players who can't shoot coming out of college, they've had their entire lives to learn and still haven't gotten it. Yes, there are some who figure it out in the NBA (Kawhi) but those guys are more the exception than the rule. I would much rather draft a guy like Aaron Nesmith who is an absolute knock down shooter and has the size & athleticism to become a good defender.


Yes! I’ll take Nesmith or Vassell over Okoro.


I do like Vassell also, but he seems to have a lower ceiling than Okoro due to size and athleticism. Klay and Wiggins already lean to guard rather than forward in play style. It would be nice to get a guy who is better built to guards PFs and SFs, and guards.
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Post#1386 » by Mylie10 » Sat Jun 6, 2020 5:41 pm

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Scoots1994 wrote:So, we've been saying the same thing for months ... best course is a trade down/out in this draft, and now we are still several months from the draft and the best course isn't going to change.


Too bad we won't know our lottery position for 2.5 months. Then after that we have 2 months to prepare.

When can teams start talking trades for draft? Once the season is officially over? Only on draft day?

Warriors knew they would have a top pick very early in the season and I wonder how many trips they went on scouting the top guys and 1st round potential guys.



I had heard early in the year that Dunleavy was amongst those making trips to see college guys play during the season. Not sure who else I had heard was on those trips.
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Post#1387 » by Mylie10 » Sat Jun 6, 2020 5:47 pm

Onus wrote:I also get this sick feeling that we’re going to pass on wiseman.


I'm concerned as well.

Its mostly being driven by these dumb local Warriors beat guys, which could have a smidge of accuracy to it.

But as you look at the really good teams, they have length. Something we are lacking in right now. We've got to bolster our length at several positions.

Wiseman to me is the guy that will be able to handle the longer guys we face in the league. He will fit extremely well, and I dont get those saying he wont.
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Post#1388 » by Onus » Sat Jun 6, 2020 6:12 pm

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Onus wrote:I also get this sick feeling that we’re going to pass on wiseman.


I'm concerned as well.

Its mostly being driven by these dumb local Warriors beat guys, which could have a smidge of accuracy to it.

But as you look at the really good teams, they have length. Something we are lacking in right now. We've got to bolster our length at several positions.

Wiseman to me is the guy that will be able to handle the longer guys we face in the league. He will fit extremely well, and I dont get those saying he wont.

Yea it just seems like there’s too much smoke coming out that they don’t like him. Like I would get an article or 2 but it seems to be constant.

We really need help rebounding and interior defense. We have that nowhere on our roster.
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Post#1389 » by cdubbz » Sat Jun 6, 2020 6:51 pm

Onus wrote:I also get this sick feeling that we’re going to pass on wiseman.


Maybe the Warriors are making it seem more and more that they aren't interested in Wiseman so they can draft a coveted player & swap for Wiseman & assets.

Draft Lamelo or Edwards #1 or 2 and flip for Wiseman & assets.

Also not sure who of the top 5 would reaLLY want Wiseman
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#1390 » by Mylie10 » Sat Jun 6, 2020 6:55 pm

cdubbz wrote:
Onus wrote:I also get this sick feeling that we’re going to pass on wiseman.


Maybe the Warriors are making it seem more and more that they aren't interested in Wiseman so they can draft a coveted player & swap for Wiseman & assets.

Draft Lamelo or Edwards #1 or 2 and flip for Wiseman & assets.

Also not sure who of the top 5 would reaLLY want Wiseman


The more confusion there is at the top of the draft, the better for the Warriors if they dont get the top pick.

Passing on Wiseman will be a huge mistake for whomever makes it.
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Post#1391 » by The Maestro » Sat Jun 6, 2020 7:30 pm

The beat writers keep talking about how much the Dubs love Haliburton. I think another teams actually wants Haliburton and Dubs are planting the seed that they’ll take him so that they can trade down a pick or two and get the guy they really want plus another pick or player.
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Post#1392 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Jun 6, 2020 8:33 pm

The teams know the other teams will lie to the media. The only reason to tell a writer the truth about draft plans is to be nice to the writer. What is lying good for? Suppose you want to put pressure on another team to do something. By claiming to not want Wiseman other teams that draft Wiseman might look a bit worse to their fans if Wiseman fails because it will look like the Warriors knew Wiseman would fail so what is wrong with the other team's GM that they could not see that Wiseman would fail.

Maybe the Warriors public relations pressure can get some team to pass on Wiseman so the Warriors can draft Wiseman with the 3rd pick in the draft.
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Post#1393 » by BballIntellect » Sat Jun 6, 2020 8:38 pm

Even tho centers have lost value in today's NBA, I don't see any team drafting Anthony Edwards ahead of Wiseman. The only player I can see ahead of Wiseman is Lamelo.
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Post#1394 » by Onus » Sat Jun 6, 2020 8:52 pm

The thing is why say anything at all about your draft plans
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Post#1395 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Jun 6, 2020 9:12 pm

i got pretty much crap to go on with Wiseman. I watched the all star game put on by I think Nike that Wiseman played in. They played fairly selfish on offense and little defense and did not play teammball because they were just players thrown together. Wiseman showed some skills but in that context you could not tell what kind of basketball player he was but could see good raw material.

The 2 college games don't really prove anything. He moves well for a guy his size. His dribble is good for a guy his size. His court vision is could for a guy his size. His jump shot looks good even when he misses. His understanding of the game looked like the level of a college freshman. Work ethic is unknown. His love of the game is unknown but there are some signs that maybe he does love the game. That is not much to go on.

The main thing in Wiseman's favor besides being a big man that can move, is that nobody else has proven that they deserve to be a top 4 lottery pick

Since I have no good information about Wiseman I will post high school stats. Bynum is my comparison because I could find his high school stats. Their play styles are not very similar but they were both the leading big men coming out of high school.

Andrew Bynum averaged averaged 22.4 points, 16.8 rebounds and 5.3 blocks per game as a high school senior.
James Wiseman averaged averaged 26 points, 15 rebounds and 5.5 blocks and 1.3 steals per game as a high school senior.
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Post#1396 » by The Maestro » Sat Jun 6, 2020 10:22 pm

Onus wrote:The thing is why say anything at all about your draft plans


Create confusion. The pick is more valuable when you’re a wildcard and teams fall in love with a player and will try to trade up.
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Post#1397 » by Coxy » Sat Jun 6, 2020 10:33 pm

BballIntellect wrote:Even tho centers have lost value in today's NBA, I don't see any team drafting Anthony Edwards ahead of Wiseman. The only player I can see ahead of Wiseman is Lamelo.


I would laugh profussely at a team drafting Lamelo over Wiseman, as long as it's not the Warriors. What a dumb ass decision that would be.
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Post#1398 » by The Maestro » Sat Jun 6, 2020 10:40 pm

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Post#1399 » by BballIntellect » Sat Jun 6, 2020 11:15 pm

Coxy wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:Even tho centers have lost value in today's NBA, I don't see any team drafting Anthony Edwards ahead of Wiseman. The only player I can see ahead of Wiseman is Lamelo.


I would laugh profussely at a team drafting Lamelo over Wiseman, as long as it's not the Warriors. What a dumb ass decision that would be.


I was talking about where which player is going in the draft. Lamelo has the highest ceilling in this draft. I think he's going to go number one but I don't want him on the Warriors. We don't have time for him to develop. Which is why I think the Warriors are trading down if they get number one.
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Post#1400 » by cdubbz » Sat Jun 6, 2020 11:21 pm

Coxy wrote:
BballIntellect wrote:Even tho centers have lost value in today's NBA, I don't see any team drafting Anthony Edwards ahead of Wiseman. The only player I can see ahead of Wiseman is Lamelo.


I would laugh profussely at a team drafting Lamelo over Wiseman, as long as it's not the Warriors. What a dumb ass decision that would be.


I'm one of the few that thinks Lamelo will put it together in the NBA and be worth the high pick.
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