Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[wco81]

Not sold on SGA. He wasn't good in the bubble.

Plus he seems mostly a guy who needs the ball in his hands, not really one for moving the ball to get shots for Steph or Klay or working off the ball himself.

[Coxy]

Thoughts on this trade?

To Warriors:

Al Horford, George Hill, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

To OKC:

Minnesota 1st, Future first (lottery protected ...first year avail to trade) Wiggins, Looney, Wannamaker, Smailagic

Why the Dubs do it:

Hill is the needed back up PG and under contract for next year as well, Shai-GA is the extra scorer/3pt shooter we need. Horford has an ugly contract for a player at the tail-end of his career but he can mentor Wiseman and back him up next few years as he comes into his own.

Why OKC does it:

They have a 1st round pick fetish?? . While I’m sure they don’t want give up Shai, Horford is to old to be part of a rebuild and is horrible contract they can’t get out of. Wiggins is younger, with similar big, 3 yr contract but is a solid contributor that at worst can defend and contribute better than Horford on offense. Smailagic is a throw in (allows us to open a roster spot for a buyout player or sign JTA). OKC is a rebuilding team that can give him a shot...Warriors can’t while contending. OKC is really in is for the pics and swap of an old player on bad contract to a younger player on a slightly better contract.

Would you do this?

Would be hard to say no to that, but don't we already owe OKC a 1st, that's protected?

[xdrta+]

So if Oubre's as bad as most here seem to think, why is it a given that he'll get big offers this summer? I don't see him getting more than he's getting now, albeit a longer term deal, but why would anybody offer him more?

Because he's young, has a good highlight reel and other teams might consider him a better fit for their system than GSW. He also can slide in at the wing position and be above average in big minutes. He also has a reputation for being a good defender.

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So either everyone here underrates him or other teams overrate him. That's odd.

[FNQ]

So if Oubre's as bad as most here seem to think, why is it a given that he'll get big offers this summer? I don't see him getting more than he's getting now, albeit a longer term deal, but why would anybody offer him more?

Because he's young, has a good highlight reel and other teams might consider him a better fit for their system than GSW. He also can slide in at the wing position and be above average in big minutes. He also has a reputation for being a good defender.

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So either everyone here underrates him or other teams overrate him. That's odd.

Because overpaying athletic players with 10 cent brains is rare? odd? Considering we signed DLo to a max contract, Wiggins was signed to a max contract.. it isn't really that odd or hard to see. Athletic role players who tease with the idea that maybe, someday, they'll develop their BBIQ.. they get signed to big deals until their athleticism fades because it literally only takes one stupid/desperate team, and there are always some of those.

[Johnny355]

I would do that - but Im not sure salaries work? Feel like we need to add Oubre to make it work. And if not.. can we find a way to add Oubre to make it work?

Salaries do work and I’m hoping we resign Oubre to be our 3.

[FNQ]

I would do that - but Im not sure salaries work? Feel like we need to add Oubre to make it work. And if not.. can we find a way to add Oubre to make it work?

Salaries do work.

2nd question remains valid tho

[Johnny355]

I would do that - but Im not sure salaries work? Feel like we need to add Oubre to make it work. And if not.. can we find a way to add Oubre to make it work?

Salaries do work.

2nd question remains valid tho

Gotcha. We do owe a protected pick to them next year, that most likely won’t convey and turns into two 2nd rounders. Maybe all we need to do is remove the protection instead of another pick.

We don’t need to add Oubre to make the salaries work. It checks out on the NBA trade Machine. Also would like to resign Oubre. If we don’t think he will resign, would trade him for Aaron Gordon as he is under contract for next years.

[FNQ]

Salaries do work.

2nd question remains valid tho

We don’t need to add Oubre to make the salaries work. It checks out on the NBA trade Machine. Also would like to resign Oubre. If we don’t think he will resign, would trade him for Aaron Gordon as he is under contract for next years.

No, we just need to add Oubre to make the basketball work

[Johnny355]

2nd question remains valid tho

We don’t need to add Oubre to make the salaries work. It checks out on the NBA trade Machine. Also would like to resign Oubre. If we don’t think he will resign, would trade him for Aaron Gordon as he is under contract for next years.

No, we just need to add Oubre to make the basketball work

Sorry didn’t understand your point. Do you mean you don’t want to keep Oubre or think we need to add him for OKC to agree?

[FNQ]

We don’t need to add Oubre to make the salaries work. It checks out on the NBA trade Machine. Also would like to resign Oubre. If we don’t think he will resign, would trade him for Aaron Gordon as he is under contract for next years.

No, we just need to add Oubre to make the basketball work

Sorry didn’t understand your point. Do you mean you don’t want to keep Oubre or think we need to add him for OKC to agree?

Well I'm pretty sure we cant trade him to OKC actually.

I definitely do not want to keep Oubre, he's a horrible rotation defender and his strengths are being in a half-court offense with a more man-to-man defense. And thats not us. He's bot a bad player, he's just a horrible fit. And I'd love to move him for any kind of value.

[Coxy]

How can we trade for Keldon Johnson.

[killmongrel]

Sit Oubre until we can trade him.

[Steph 4 3]

Wiggins played both ends & scored 40 pts in tonight's game vs Memphis.
With Curry, Wiseman & Paschall all sitting out Wiggins showed what he is capable of tonight.
They need to separate Curry & him on different squads more.
He can be more assertive like he was tonight, you could tell he was lovin' it.
Surprisingly these two duplicate a lot of their offensive talents when on the floor together.
Green fed him assists as if it was Curry.
I'm really liking that he has a better feel for the players & plays now, …that the W's have him another 2 years.
They need a high assists point to accomodate the 2 squads & when Green sits.
I'm sure the Wizards PG Ishmael Smith is available and seems anxious to leave rather than remain under Westbrook's shadow.
Ishmael would be a 1 year rental, ideally GSW would send the Wiz our $9.3 DTE for him & pick up center Moritz Wagner, also 1 year remaining, all for the same DTE.

[kingcong95]

Wiggins played both ends & scored 40 pts in tonight's game vs Memphis.
With Curry, Wiseman & Paschall all sitting out Wiggins showed what he is capable of tonight.
They need to separate Curry & him on different squads more.
He can be more assertive like he was tonight, you could tell he was lovin' it.
Surprisingly these two duplicate a lot of their offensive talents when on the floor together.
Green fed him assists as if it was Curry.
I'm really liking that he has a better feel for the players & plays now, …that the W's have him another 2 years.
They need a high assists point to accomodate the 2 squads & when Green sits.
I'm sure the Wizards PG Ishmael Smith is available and seems anxious to leave rather than remain under Westbrook's shadow.
Ishmael would be a 1 year rental, ideally GSW would send the Wiz our $9.3 DTE for him & pick up center Moritz Wagner, also 1 year remaining, all for the same DTE.

Smith isn't that much better offensively than Wanamaker. He can hand out a few more dimes here and there, but cannot shoot.
The Wizards wouldn't get our DPE for him, but rather a 6M TPE for Smith's salary.
DPE can only be spent on one player. So we would have to send out someone else for Wagner, most likely Wanamaker. Wagner is more of a stretch 4 than a 5, but his defense is even more exploitable than Paschall's, which Kerr won't like.

[azwfan]

Wiggins is inconsistent offensively. I’d look at what he gave us last night as a huge bonus rather than expect there are many changes we can make to make those performances more consistent. Be happy with his defense and 18ish points - once we start expecting or even hoping for more we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment.

[Steph 4 3]

I was coveting Ish as W's #2 ball distributor behind Dray. His percentages were high until this year Westbrook buried him.

I like your point with Kerr. Houston's Oladipo is probably more to his liking but a lesser ball distributor. Also, for the GSW's DTE to be used towards his $21 m contract he could only be owed for what? ...35 games?

To me, the one player that instantly vaults GSW deep into the next 3 playoffs is Orlando's center Vucevic, but Orlando would deplete us in the process.

[WESCO]

Wiggins played both ends & scored 40 pts in tonight's game vs Memphis.
With Curry, Wiseman & Paschall all sitting out Wiggins showed what he is capable of tonight.
They need to separate Curry & him on different squads more.
He can be more assertive like he was tonight, you could tell he was lovin' it.
Surprisingly these two duplicate a lot of their offensive talents when on the floor together.
Green fed him assists as if it was Curry.
I'm really liking that he has a better feel for the players & plays now, …that the W's have him another 2 years.
They need a high assists point to accomodate the 2 squads & when Green sits.
I'm sure the Wizards PG Ishmael Smith is available and seems anxious to leave rather than remain under Westbrook's shadow.
Ishmael would be a 1 year rental, ideally GSW would send the Wiz our $9.3 DTE for him & pick up center Moritz Wagner, also 1 year remaining, all for the same DTE.

As happy I was to see Wigs go off last night I still can't help think of the PHX game where he crawled under a rock for an entire game with the same opportunities.

Will be interesting to see how he builds on last night's game.

[Johnny355]

No, we just need to add Oubre to make the basketball work

Sorry didn’t understand your point. Do you mean you don’t want to keep Oubre or think we need to add him for OKC to agree?

Well I'm pretty sure we cant trade him to OKC actually.

I definitely do not want to keep Oubre, he's a horrible rotation defender and his strengths are being in a half-court offense with a more man-to-man defense. And thats not us. He's bot a bad player, he's just a horrible fit. And I'd love to move him for any kind of value.

You are right, we can’t trade Oubre back but maybe can be flipped for A-Gordon for maybe couple 2nd rounders? I do like Oubre, his physicality and energy is something that the warriors need. I am surprised how many pull up shots he misses even from free throw line in. I would rather sign him then let him walk, and just getting a 2nd round pick. We won’t be able to sign someone of equal value under that cap.

[Old_Blue]

I wonder if we could extract New York's first round pick for Oubre? The proposed trade would be Oubre for Alex Burks, Frank Ntilikina and New York's 2021 unprotected first rounder. Oubre would bring some size to the Knicks. Burks can hit it from outside and Ntilikina would be in there just for salary matching purposes.

[kingcong95]

I wonder if we could extract New York's first round pick for Oubre? The proposed trade would be Oubre for Alex Burks, Frank Ntilikina and New York's 2021 unprotected first rounder. Oubre would bring some size to the Knicks. Burks can hit it from outside and Ntilikina would be in there just for salary matching purposes.

If this was 10-15 years ago, maybe. The Knicks are no guarantee to make the playoffs with a difficult 2nd half schedule, and cannot afford to give up an unprotected lottery pick for an expiring.
Burks might help us more than Oubre the rest of the way, but I'd prefer Rivers over Frank as a backup PG.