Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

old rem · Post #141 » by **old rem** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 11:30 pm

Not sure any "Superstar" gets swapped and I am rather content with the GSW starters. While Thompson and Barnes are not consistent....yet.....they also ain't expensive,yet GSW has to bet Bogut plays well and often.

Maybe next deadline GSW has reason to look to trade. Now? Now the likely thing is they listen to offers just in case there's a big surprise. Will we get an offer that nobody on RGM would think is possible? Not likely ...but such stuff happens....and in the past we were usually the loser. Now...don't lose the trade...will be the priority.

whocurrz · Post #142 » by **whocurrz** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 12:38 am

old rem wrote:Not sure any "Superstar" gets swapped and I am rather content with the GSW starters. While Thompson and Barnes are not consistent....yet.....they also ain't expensive,yet GSW has to bet Bogut plays well and often.

Maybe next deadline GSW has reason to look to trade. Now? Now the likely thing is they listen to offers just in case there's a big surprise. Will we get an offer that nobody on RGM would think is possible? Not likely ...but such stuff happens....and in the past we were usually the loser. Now...don't lose the trade...will be the priority.

Our FO is doing pretty well at this so far in being patient and playing poker the right way. Like the Lakers do for the most part. We're sitting on our assets and playing competitive ball that raises those assets value (especially since we're doing a good job of maximizing many of our players skillsets) and waiting to take advantage of other teams need to make a move. Milwaukee needed a player like Ellis to push for the 8th seed. New Orleans was in salary dump mode when we got Jack.

With young guys locked up there is absolutely no need to get impatient and compromise any leverage we have for future trades.

GSForever · Post #143 » by **GSForever** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 9:45 pm

FO isn't gonna to make a major trade. Just like other past Ws regime they are too much in love with their players.

GSForever · Post #144 » by **GSForever** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 10:04 pm

ChuckDurn · Post #145 » by **ChuckDurn** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 10:36 pm

GSForever wrote:FO isn't gonna to make a major trade. Just like other past Ws regime they are too much in love with their players.

Are you suggesting that trading Monta for Bogut wasn't a major trade?

GSForever · Post #146 » by **GSForever** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 11:18 pm

We traded for a need which was Bogut. But FO isn't going to trade the current players for ones that aren't making it anywhere else. They didn't trade Klay for MVP canidate Harden or the Klay for Gordon. I see almost the same team coming back next year.

Mylie10 · Post #147 » by **Mylie10** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 11:19 pm

I'd like a Klay and one of our expirings for a resigned Iggy. Iggy would be great with this group.

GSForever · Post #148 » by **GSForever** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 11:20 pm

I would like that also. But does Denver helps us out? Give me Karl also. LOL

Mylie10 · Post #149 » by **Mylie10** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 12:09 am

GSForever wrote:I would like that also. But does Denver helps us out? Give me Karl also. LOL

Only way it could happen is if Iggy wants out and Denver wants a young three point shooting SG as a replacement. Iggy would also have to want to be here......I heard Iggy is hinting of opting out... presumably for more years. So the dubs would have to commit to three or four years at presumably 12 or 13 mil per.

Jester_ · Post #150 » by **Jester_** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 8:40 am

Funny how Iggy has been the one constant appearance on these trade threads for years, lol. No matter what roster we've had, Iggy has always been the perfect fit.

Post #151 » by **FNQ** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:24 pm

Certified promise: if we were to acquire him, the "ZOMG he cant shoot!" thread would be up within hours.

Onus · Post #152 » by **Onus** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:46 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Certified promise: if we were to acquire him, the "ZOMG he cant shoot!" thread would be up within hours.

Oh yea easily ... still not sure why people want to trade Klay for him, when they have completely different roles on offense, where Harrison and Iggy would then have very similar roles.

Mylie10 · Post #153 » by **Mylie10** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 8:43 pm

Onus wrote:
FireNellieQuick wrote:Certified promise: if we were to acquire him, the "ZOMG he cant shoot!" thread would be up within hours.

Oh yea easily ... still not sure why people want to trade Klay for him, when they have completely different roles on offense, where Harrison and Iggy would then have very similar roles.

Iguadala adds playmaking along side Curry.....Klays erratic shooting would be replaced by Rush, Barnes (who's offensive game would expand) and even Bazemore who has three point range.

Barnes is shooting around 37% from three without looking it up.....his ability to space the floor will be there just fine.

I agree that the sky is falling people will complain, but they do that anyhow.

Onus · Post #154 » by **Onus** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 8:51 pm

Barnes is a decent shooter from deep, but I highly doubt he could keep it up with the volume Klay puts up, I'm guessing he makes less than 1 a game. Rush maybe able to, but to rely on him next year could be foolish. Baze no comment.

Just curious Iggy's play making would be better alongside Curry and Klay or Curry and Barnes?

I think with Curry and Klay Iggy would have a lot of straight line drives to the rim more so than with Barnes, but no way to prove that really.

Mylie10 · Post #155 » by **Mylie10** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 9:04 pm

Klay is shooting 41% for the year....that's crap for supposedly one of the best shooters in the game....Barnes is at almost 45%...hmmm.

I like Klay....I just don't think he's as well rounded a player as he should be...Klay is also 3 or 4 years older than Barnes. I can't see trading Barnes who is only scratching the surface.....I think Klay is easier replaced.

Bazemore will be a more well rounded player than Klay once he gets on the floor more.....its a nice situation actually.

Bottom line is that Iggy a better player than Klay and his playmaking would be beneficial.

Onus · Post #156 » by **Onus** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 12:18 am

So age is an indication of potential not say experience in the NBA? Never has a senior in college improved his game while in the NBA.

You need to step away from fg%. Does curry's 45% fg mean Barnes is as good a shooter as Curry? mmm ... another weak take.

You think Klay is easily replaceable? by who? I don't think there's more than 10 guys that can do what Klay does in the NBA. He may not be the best player in the nba, but he's a very rare player. OTOH Barnes is very replaceable. There's literally a guy in every draft that can do what Barnes does. A 6'8'' athlete. While Barnes can get his shot off in a multitude of ways what good is it if it's on a game to game basis. His versatility is good but really he needs something he can rely on every game. He just doesn't have anything yet. Let's be honest Barnes is a small 6'8'' meaning he's not long and isn't strong.

Realistically who do you compare Barnes to?

Bottom line Iggy is a better player than Barnes is. His play making would thrive with 2 shooters on his wing rather than next to Barnes.

whocurrz · Post #157 » by **whocurrz** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 12:57 am

Onus wrote:So age is an indication of potential not say experience in the NBA? Never has a senior in college improved his game while in the NBA.

You need to step away from fg%. Does curry's 45% fg mean Barnes is as good a shooter as Curry? mmm ... another weak take.

You think Klay is easily replaceable? by who? I don't think there's more than 10 guys that can do what Klay does in the NBA. He may not be the best player in the nba, but he's a very rare player. OTOH Barnes is very replaceable. There's literally a guy in every draft that can do what Barnes does. A 6'8'' athlete. While Barnes can get his shot off in a multitude of ways what good is it if it's on a game to game basis. His versatility is good but really he needs something he can rely on every game. He just doesn't have anything yet. Let's be honest Barnes is a small 6'8'' meaning he's not long and isn't strong.

Realistically who do you compare Barnes to?

Bottom line Iggy is a better player than Barnes is. His play making would thrive with 2 shooters on his wing rather than next to Barnes.

How is Barnes more replaceable than Klay? Barnes is a better athlete, better defender and as good a shooter. Klay's shooting is really overrated. For a guy whose game is being a shooter, shooting around 40% as a 3rd option is nothing special. Just because when he gets hot he swishes everything and has a pretty stroke does not change the fact that Klay is streaky and has been his whole career.

Barnes is streaky too, but that's because he never gets the amount of shots it takes to get into a rhythym. When he is not in rhythm he never forces shots and when he is in rhythm he's put together some great games. I think if we switched their roles as far as shots they are usually allotted, I don't think Barnes does worse than Klay and the statistics available to us suggest that he'd be better. Partially because he finishes at the rim stronger than Klay. Klay is currently the better outside shooter, but Barnes has a nice stroke and can definitely improve.

And what do you mean there's not 10 guys in the NBA who can shoot 40% from 3 and 41% from the field? Hell Dunleavy does it.

Here's a list of players shooting as well or better 3 point % than Klay who also have better FG% this year in more than 20 minutes a game:

Calderon, Curry, Ilyasova, Korver, Danny Green, Steve Nash, Dirk, Martell Webster, Steve Blake, Dunleavy, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Willie Green, Mo Williams, Mario Chalmers, Thabo Sefalosha, Wes Matthews, OJ Mayo, Kevin Durant, Gordon Hayward, Vince Carter, Jared Dudley.

So looks like his reputation as an elite shooter is not based on much fact. Unless you consider all of these guys elite shooters.

statsman · Post #158 » by **statsman** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 1:03 am

whocurrz wrote:Klay's shooting is really overrated. For a guy whose game is being a shooter, shooting around 40% as a 3rd option is nothing special. Just because when he gets hot he swishes everything and has a pretty stroke does not change the fact that Klay is streaky and has been his whole career.

Onus · Post #159 » by **Onus** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 1:38 am

whocurrz wrote:How is Barnes more replaceable than Klay? Barnes is a better athlete, better defender and as good a shooter. Klay's shooting is really overrated. For a guy whose game is being a shooter, shooting around 40% as a 3rd option is nothing special.

As good a shooter? doubtful. He takes better shots than Klay does and is asked to do less. But if you asked Barnes to put up the volume of 3 pointers that Klay does, I'd assume his percentage isn't close to Klay's.

Calderon, Curry, Ilyasova, Korver, Danny Green, Steve Nash, Dirk, Martell Webster, Steve Blake, Dunleavy, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Willie Green, Mo Williams, Mario Chalmers, Thabo Sefalosha, Wes Matthews, OJ Mayo, Kevin Durant, Gordon Hayward, Vince Carter, Jared Dudley.

So looks like his reputation as an elite shooter is not based on much fact. Unless you consider all of these guys elite shooters.

Ok so you named 23 people. Calderon can't defend, Curry can't defend, Korver can't defend, nash can't defend, blake can't defend, dunleavy can't defend, kevin martin can't defend, irving can't defend, mo williams can't defend. So that's 9 who are either liabilities on defense or would be a severe mismatch if asked to guard a star. Dropping the list to 14. I think i'm being rather generous about this list. Of the remaining 14; Willie Green doesn't have the volume, Chalmers, Thabo, Haywood, and Jared Dudley would fall into that group as well. Klay has over 400 3s attempted, these guys have less than 300 and mostly just spot up shooters.

That leaves us with Ilyasova, Danny Green, Dirk, Martell Webster, Ray allen, wes matthews, oj mayo, kevin durant, vince carter. Not a bad list, and with this list I'm guessing he's behind only Dirk and KD in ppg.

TaylorMonkey · Post #160 » by **TaylorMonkey** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 2:12 am

Onus wrote:
whocurrz wrote:How is Barnes more replaceable than Klay? Barnes is a better athlete, better defender and as good a shooter. Klay's shooting is really overrated. For a guy whose game is being a shooter, shooting around 40% as a 3rd option is nothing special.
As good a shooter? doubtful. He takes better shots than Klay does and is asked to do less. But if you asked Barnes to put up the volume of 3 pointers that Klay does, I'd assume his percentage isn't close to Klay's.

Calderon, Curry, Ilyasova, Korver, Danny Green, Steve Nash, Dirk, Martell Webster, Steve Blake, Dunleavy, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Willie Green, Mo Williams, Mario Chalmers, Thabo Sefalosha, Wes Matthews, OJ Mayo, Kevin Durant, Gordon Hayward, Vince Carter, Jared Dudley.

So looks like his reputation as an elite shooter is not based on much fact. Unless you consider all of these guys elite shooters.

Ok so you named 23 people. Calderon can't defend, Curry can't defend, Korver can't defend, nash can't defend, blake can't defend, dunleavy can't defend, kevin martin can't defend, irving can't defend, mo williams can't defend. So that's 9 who are either liabilities on defense or would be a severe mismatch if asked to guard a star. Dropping the list to 14. I think i'm being rather generous about this list. Of the remaining 14; Willie Green doesn't have the volume, Chalmers, Thabo, Haywood, and Jared Dudley would fall into that group as well. Klay has over 400 3s attempted, these guys have less than 300 and mostly just spot up shooters.

That leaves us with Ilyasova, Danny Green, Dirk, Martell Webster, Ray allen, wes matthews, oj mayo, kevin durant, vince carter. Not a bad list, and with this list I'm guessing he's behind only Dirk and KD in ppg.

How many of these guys shot 30% in the 4th this entire NBA season? That is rare company.

And while you might or might not be right on Barnes at least give the guy a year.

Last year before the tank run, we could have said that there's a shooter that can't shoot and can't handle NBA pressure just like Klay in every draft. His defense wasn't what it was until the last few months. Even his rookie ladder run wasn't that special (albeit promising) as the first option on a bad and tanking team putting up shots in meaningless games.