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Re: Sure sounds like KD is leaving 

Post#141 » by wco81 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:47 am

Isaiah Thomas made a great point. Draymond didn’t make a bad read pushing it up himself and drawing 4 Clippers.

But win or lose, KD should be backing his teammate, uplifting the team according to Isaiah.

OTOH, Draymond was stubborn about his decision and KD has earned the right to take big shots, given the ones he’s made in the past two years plus.

I don’t think either of them will apologize first.

Klay said winning the next 3 games on the road trip will fix it but I’m not too sure.
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Post#142 » by Impuniti » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:15 pm

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wco81 wrote:Post game press conference, KD is wearing a Redskins cap and stone faced about it, curt in his answers.

During the game, in the 4th quarter when he was on the bench, he was seated next to Curry with his arms folded, not talking to anyone.

Not a good look for the Warriors.

Not a good look for Durant. Dude is acting like a whiny pouty baby. Maybe he should remember STEPH, DRAY, KLAY, DALA, KERR BUILT this ****. And he decided to join up. Check yourself Mr Entitled.

Dude is the opposite of a leader. stick to getting buckets.

Well he's not the leader. He's one of the 2 superstars of the team though.

Muscles wrote:If KD really going to leave the best situation to get possibly 3 and 4 consecutive titles over a butting of heads in November then he has a serious detatchement from reality. Hopefully he will chalk this up to emotions getting best of everybody in that game, but with any sense he knows leaving to go to Lakers, Wizards, Knicks, etc would be a horrible move. The same people who want him out of GS will turn around and mock him from leaving a winning organization that could continue to win more. Both Draymond and KD need to patch this one up and refocus on this year. Not next. This year.

Noone leaves just because of one instance. It's always a domino effect, and KD may be the thing D West talked about that didn't leak the entirety of last season. Unlike other teams, things don't leak out so we don't know most of the story. If he leaves, he won't leave because 1 bad disagreement with Dray in November, it will have been a much bigger story. That's merely a chapter.
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Re: Sure sounds like KD is leaving 

Post#143 » by Senchu » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:39 pm

Lets see if Kerr can earn his stripes here. They need to solve this. Do couples therapy with Dray and KD
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Re: Sure sounds like KD is leaving 

Post#144 » by Impuniti » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:05 pm

Just heard that Steph went to Dray's place last night, possibly ease the tension. Hmm, this is becoming bigger and bigger. Is he ready vs the Rockets?
Senchu wrote:Lets see if Kerr can earn his stripes here. They need to solve this. Do couples therapy with Dray and KD

He's partly responsible for not calling a TO
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Post#145 » by jamesnamida » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:24 pm

dray needs to be the one apologizing for calling out Durant on petty non play related things.
It’ll blow over.
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Post#146 » by zhuangcorp » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:06 pm

Personally I think Warriors should trade Draymond Green and try to keep Durant. Hes a good player, but i dont think hes that much better than Looney.

And he overestimates his own skill and often has unforced errors. Sometimes he makes big plays for the Warriors, but he also sometimes makes big plays for the opposing team like against the Clippers, and also he fumbled the ball against the Rockets in the finals last year.
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Post#147 » by Mylie10 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:18 pm

This is where Bob Myers and Kerr really earn their money.
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Post#148 » by Mylie10 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:21 pm

zhuangcorp wrote:Personally I think Warriors should trade Draymond Green and try to keep Durant. Hes a good player, but i dont think hes that much better than Looney.

And he overestimates his own skill and often has unforced errors. Sometimes he makes big plays for the Warriors, but he also sometimes makes big plays for the opposing team like against the Clippers, and also he fumbled the ball against the Rockets in the finals last year.


You couldn't be more wrong. We don't win any titles without Draymond.

To replace what he does for this team might be irreplaceable.

I do realize his volatile attitude has cost this 5eam at times, but the intangibles he brings are extremely difficult to replace.

For you to say Looney could come close to what Draond does is assinine. 4th in the league in assists....guards 1-5....the intensity and toughness stands alone on this team right now.
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Post#149 » by wco81 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:25 pm

jamesnamida wrote:dray needs to be the one apologizing for calling out Durant on petty non play related things.
It’ll blow over.
Durants free agency won’t be decided based on this incident.


Dray should be the one to apologize first. Not for the play necessarily but for brign8ng up free agency and questioning KD’s commitment. KD took discounts to keep key players on the team after all.

It may take someone like Steph to broker the peace.

Thing is, Dray came at Kerr and the team let it go. He also **** up the Finals that one year and always threatens to get himself tossed in games.

I think part of the reason they hired Mike Brown and had West on the roster was to help Draymond calm down, to be buffers between him and Kerr.

If he keeps being a PITA and his play declines — though last week they were touting how well he was playing, averaging 8.5 assists at the time — it will be hard to make a case for giving him a max 5-year deal.
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Post#150 » by zhuangcorp » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:12 pm

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zhuangcorp wrote:Personally I think Warriors should trade Draymond Green and try to keep Durant. Hes a good player, but i dont think hes that much better than Looney.

And he overestimates his own skill and often has unforced errors. Sometimes he makes big plays for the Warriors, but he also sometimes makes big plays for the opposing team like against the Clippers, and also he fumbled the ball against the Rockets in the finals last year.


You couldn't be more wrong. We don't win any titles without Draymond.

To replace what he does for this team might be irreplaceable.

I do realize his volatile attitude has cost this 5eam at times, but the intangibles he brings are extremely difficult to replace.

For you to say Looney could come close to what Draond does is assinine. 4th in the league in assists....guards 1-5....the intensity and toughness stands alone on this team right now.


Draymond does get a lot of assists, but thats because he hunts for assists. He specifically looks to forcefeed the ball to Damian Jones or Jordan Bell. This also leads to a lot of turnovers. Sometimes its the right play, but often times its the wrong play.

Looney also guards 1-5. He guarded Chris Paul and Harden very well last year in the finals.
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Post#151 » by Little Digger » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:14 pm

Always remember...Before KD came here , Draymond was the winner and KD was the choke artist loser.
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Post#152 » by wco81 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:24 pm

Saw a stat, since 2016, Warriors are 17-4 when Draymond doesn’t play.

Not sure if that includes last nights game.

If it’s a choice between KD and Draymond, it’s a no brained choice.
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Post#153 » by Little Digger » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:40 pm

What was their record without Durant?
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Post#154 » by Little Digger » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:46 pm

It’s too bad Cousins will never be a healthy Warrior...Cousins-Green-Thompson-Curry would be a top 2 all time team
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Post#155 » by xdrta+ » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:48 pm

wco81 wrote:Saw a stat, since 2016, Warriors are 17-4 when Draymond doesn’t play.

Not sure if that includes last nights game.

If it’s a choice between KD and Draymond, it’s a no brained choice.


Well, KD is up first, so I don't think it will be either/or. If KD leaves, the Warriors won't have much choice but to do what they can to keep everyone else. If KD stays, that means he's prepared to deal with Draymond and everything he brings. In either case, I can't see any way Draymond will get a 5yr/max contract. That's just too long a commitment, for too much money.
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Post#156 » by Upperclass » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Draymond will be dealt for a young piece imo. I think KD still leaves, but Cousins may end up staying in the end
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Post#157 » by SFrush » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:30 pm

wco81 wrote:Isaiah Thomas made a great point. Draymond didn’t make a bad read pushing it up himself and drawing 4 Clippers.

But win or lose, KD should be backing his teammate, uplifting the team according to Isaiah.

OTOH, Draymond was stubborn about his decision and KD has earned the right to take big shots, given the ones he’s made in the past two years plus.

I don’t think either of them will apologize first.

Klay said winning the next 3 games on the road trip will fix it but I’m not too sure.


Sprinting the ball up the floor to find Looney or Iggy is not the last second shot we want under any circumstance. I just don't agree with Zeke there.
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Post#158 » by wco81 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:36 pm

I meant the point was he should back his teammates.

I don’t think we ever heard him criticizing Westbrook when he was at OKC, when he had plenty to criticize.
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Post#159 » by Outside » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:42 pm

Impuniti wrote:Just heard that Steph went to Dray's place last night, possibly ease the tension. Hmm, this is becoming bigger and bigger. Is he ready vs the Rockets?
Senchu wrote:Lets see if Kerr can earn his stripes here. They need to solve this. Do couples therapy with Dray and KD

He's partly responsible for not calling a TO

Steph definitely has a role to play in getting things back on track. He's not the fiery emotional leader, but he's the captain, and he's not afraid to exert his leadership.

As for not calling a time out, nah, that's standard operating procedure for Kerr. Calling a TO allows the defense to get set and allows the opponent to make defensive substitutions.

Looking at the play, Draymond had the Clippers on their heels, and he had two guys open under the basket. If he holds onto the ball, it's a layup.

The play itself is incidental. There's friction between the two, and this situation just brought it front and center.

I think both guys are wrong. I understand KD wanting the ball because he's confident he can get a shot off, but that's not without it's own downside, such as getting triple-teamed and just jacking up a contested shot from 30 feet. He should've supported his teammate instead of sulking that he didn't get to go hero mode.

Draymond was wrong for not accepting responsibility for the play going bad and lashing out at KD. We don't have the full story of what was said in the locker room, but it went over the line enough that the team suspended Draymond, which has to be bad considering how much Draymond gets into people's faces.

We'll see what Draymond says when he comes back. He's the one who got suspended, so it's on him to take the first step toward reconciliation. Steph can help with that.
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Post#160 » by Concerned_Fan » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:46 pm

Impuniti wrote:Well he's not the leader. He's one of the 2 superstars of the team though.


Klay was the 2nd best player on a 73 win team. In historical context, Klay Thompson will probably end up being considered a better player than Ray Allen and Reggie Miller, two players I consider to be superstars at their peak (Ray never got to play with another Hall of Famer at his peak like Kobe did, Reggie never had a teammate of Scottie Pippen's calibre and made a Finals run with Jalen Rose, a non-All star as his #2).

Ray Allen and Reggie Miller are heavily underrated by younger fans who only saw the tail end of their careers and don't remember them at their peak. Ray was superb his last 2 years on the Bucks, was the league's best shooter but could also get to the hoop and thrown it down. He was also great his 1st season in Seattle and showed off a lot of ball handling and the ability to create for others that people forget.

Klay Thompson's a free agent too, and it's crazy how under appreciated he is. The Free Agent that stands to gain the most by leaving is actually Klay Thompson, not Draymond or KD. Klay's so underrated, that if he left to the Clippers and brought them into the playoffs or as a top 4th seed, the entire narrative around his career changes. There are still some people that think he's a role player. He's at least as good as Ray Allen, but better defensively, and him leaving could show it. Ray Allen didn't like being under appreciated in Boston, even at the end of his career way past his prime.

Little Digger wrote:Always remember...Before KD came here , Draymond was the winner and KD was the choke artist loser.


Does management remember this though? Seems like they're siding with KD with the suspension. And seems like management is ready for another "convince KD to stay" tour and they're ready to protect him from Draymond, even if the players aren't.

Doesn't matter what the fans remember, all that matters is ownership and management. And they likely think that keeping KD with the Splash Brother's means higher likelihood of Championship, than keeping Draymond.

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