2021 Draft Thread

[Scoots1994]

I have mentioned before that if we keep our draft picks, I want shooting, shooting, shooting and am more interested in skillful heady players than athletes per se.

After watching more prospect videos today, I officially want Franz Wagner at 7 or 8 if we get the pick. If he is there at 14, even better... but I doubt it. Just a good fit for the Warriors imo. Not a supreme athlete or anything but still a super tall two way wing who can do a little of everything including shooting over the top of defenders. Some Klay vibes there for me. I say "Lasst uns ihn fangen!"

Mitchell, Kispert, Springer, Butler, Duarte, and one I like later Jalen Johnson.

[mos_def]

I was watching a mock draft show and though they assume some sort of trade will happen, the draft to the team had Davion Mitchell at 6 and Franz Wagner at 14.
Thoughts if those were the picks

[Onus]

I was watching a mock draft show and though they assume some sort of trade will happen, the draft to the team had Davion Mitchell at 6 and Franz Wagner at 14.
Thoughts if those were the picks

I'd be fine with those picks.

I still want to get Trey Murphy some how though

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

We're not adding 4 rookies. I would be surprised if we add 2.

[xdrta+]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

[GSWFan1994]

I have mentioned before that if we keep our draft picks, I want shooting, shooting, shooting and am more interested in skillful heady players than athletes per se.

After watching more prospect videos today, I officially want Franz Wagner at 7 or 8 if we get the pick. If he is there at 14, even better... but I doubt it. Just a good fit for the Warriors imo. Not a supreme athlete or anything but still a super tall two way wing who can do a little of everything including shooting over the top of defenders. Some Klay vibes there for me. I say "Lasst uns ihn fangen!"

Hey Devin, would you kindly write about how you value Wagner so highly?

I just don't see it with this player. I think he's lotto-bound, sure, but at 7/8, as you said, it would be a HUGE reach IMHO.

[GSWFan1994]

I was watching a mock draft show and though they assume some sort of trade will happen, the draft to the team had Davion Mitchell at 6 and Franz Wagner at 14.
Thoughts if those were the picks

I don't like those picks.

As I've written before, it we pick 2 of Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes, Jaden Springer and Ziaire Williams I'd be ecstatic.

I also like Giddey & Sengun.

A dream draft for me would be JJ & Springer, those are my targets at 6/14.

If we move up or down, this is another story obviously.

[ChuckDurn]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

Not necessarily. It could simply bring back a draft pick (needn't be in this year's draft), and would create a trade exception which could be used later. Honestly, I'd probably prefer that route, and then use the TPE during the season.

[mos_def]

I don't like those picks.

As I've written before, it we pick 2 of Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes, Jaden Springer and Ziaire Williams I'd be ecstatic.

I also like Giddey & Sengun.

A dream draft for me would be JJ & Springer, those are my targets at 6/14.

If we move up or down, this is another story obviously.

I dont like Giddey's jumper. Its too long and low, IMO. Now Im trying not to skip to the weaknesses of players and just watch their clips, so Im trying not to just focus on Moses Moody struggled from the paint, but Giddey's jumper is just too blatant for me to ignore. Form wise its better than Lonzo Ball and MKG, but I think you get my point.

Sengun is ok. The only thing that worries me is that this draft does not have alot of long wingspans . I know there is alot of NA and false metrics out there (Franz Wagner comes to mind), but Sengun doesnt look to have a long span, and thats what the team likes, especially for interior players. They are likely to look at someone like Isaiah Jackson at 14, IMO.

Thoughts?

Im fine with Springer. You dont think he is a clone of Poole?

[GSWFan1994]

I dont like Giddey's jumper. Its too long and low, IMO. Now Im trying not to skip to the weaknesses of players and just watch their clips, so Im trying not to just focus on Moses Moody struggled from the paint, but Giddey's jumper is just too blatant for me to ignore. Form wise its better than Lonzo Ball and MKG, but I think you get my point.

Sengun is ok. The only thing that worries me is that this draft does not have alot of long wingspans . I know there is alot of NA and false metrics out there (Franz Wagner comes to mind), but Sengun doesnt look to have a long span, and thats what the team likes, especially for interior players. They are likely to look at someone like Isaiah Jackson at 14, IMO.

Thoughts?

Im fine with Springer. You dont think he is a clone of Poole?

Sure, I understand your points.

Giddey's jumper is not good, it's his main weakness, but bear in mind he improved a lot during this season. Try to find some monthly splits on this stat, you'd be real surprised. I wish I could find it to pass this info to you, I've looked on the draft board but couldn't find it, but I'm sure it's there in some page.

What I don't like about Moody is his ballhandling, passing and playmaking. I don't know, he just seems too stiff for me, but I'm being honest in saying I didn't study much about this player. I just think that, in the NBA, he will play a lot in the perimeter, and these traits will get exposed a lot in the beginning of his career.

Sengun's wingspan is not good, but he's just too productive at this point. Check his stats:

19/9/2 + 1,3 steals + 1,7 blocks
65% FG
81% FT
... in just 28 mpg.

To me, this shows he's clearly a step above his competition level. He's dominating in the league he's currently.

That, coupled with the fact he's only 18/19, is a huge "green flag" in projecting an awesome development curve for the future.

I don't know about Isaiah Jackson, but I'd say, at the moment, there are clearly 20 better players than him in my hypothetic big board.

About Springer, I think he's hugely underrated for now. I'm quite sure he will rise in the next few months leading up to the draft. Springer is just a Suggs/Brandon Roy light type of player. Poole's just a streaky scorer, whereas Springer is a very good defender who can playmake, handle and pass too.

[mos_def]

Sengun's wingspan is not good, but he's just too productive at this point. Check his stats:

19/9/2 + 1,3 steals + 1,7 blocks
65% FG
81% FT
... in just 28 mpg.

To me, this shows he's clearly a step above his competition level. He's dominating in the league he's currently.
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He has some subtle things I really like. His Turkey clips remind me of UCLA's Kevin Love - ie, he has good foot work and pumps. I think the Spurs will draft him ahead of us though

[xdrta+]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

Not necessarily. It could simply bring back a draft pick (needn't be in this year's draft), and would create a trade exception which could be used later. Honestly, I'd probably prefer that route, and then use the TPE during the season.

To go that way the other team would have to have cap room to fit his salary. If they have the cap room they can just sign him directly and keep their draft picks. Highly unlikely, IMO.

[Scoots1994]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

I know this is the Draft thread ... but who would you like to bring in to the Oubre slot that might be possible?

The best I've found so far is Olynyk.

[Scoots1994]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

Not necessarily. It could simply bring back a draft pick (needn't be in this year's draft), and would create a trade exception which could be used later. Honestly, I'd probably prefer that route, and then use the TPE during the season.

Why would a team trade a draft pick for an unrestricted free agent they can just sign outright?

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

Not necessarily. It could simply bring back a draft pick (needn't be in this year's draft), and would create a trade exception which could be used later. Honestly, I'd probably prefer that route, and then use the TPE during the season.

Why would a team trade a draft pick for an unrestricted free agent they can just sign outright?

That is a good question. Could be wrong (Probably am), but it's dependent on Oubre's asking -- Which will be too much for Warriors' liking. A sign-and-trade will be difficult as it'll further push Warriors beyond the Salary Cap and into Luxury Tax (Possibly repeat tax offender since they were over by $80 mil last season for using the TPE on Oubre?) when asking for a trade for a draft pick and a player near Oubre's new contract.

Realistically, we'll just lose out on getting any asset in return for Oubre (aka let him walk for nothing) and see it as a learning experience.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

My offseason plan (IF we can't leverage ourselves to get another high-quality starter to allstar caliber player):

1) *If Minny's pick is conveyed to us being outside top 3* #6 #7 or #8: Moses Moody
2) #14: Josh Giddey (might be gone a couple picks earlier)
3) Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and draft Sandro Mamukelashvili.
4) Sign Serge Ibaka and Lou Williams to MLE (ALL-IN).

Curry/Giddey/Mannion*
Thompson/Williams/Poole/Jessup*
Wiggins/Moody
Green/JTA/Mamu*
Wiseman/Ibaka/Looney

* = Two-way Contract

Waive/Let go of Mulder, Lee, and Smiley.. PLEASE!!!!!

[DevinVassell]

I have mentioned before that if we keep our draft picks, I want shooting, shooting, shooting and am more interested in skillful heady players than athletes per se.

After watching more prospect videos today, I officially want Franz Wagner at 7 or 8 if we get the pick. If he is there at 14, even better... but I doubt it. Just a good fit for the Warriors imo. Not a supreme athlete or anything but still a super tall two way wing who can do a little of everything including shooting over the top of defenders. Some Klay vibes there for me. I say "Lasst uns ihn fangen!"

Hey Devin, would you kindly write about how you value Wagner so highly?

I just don't see it with this player. I think he's lotto-bound, sure, but at 7/8, as you said, it would be a HUGE reach IMHO.

I don't think its a huge reach at all. Mocks get it wrong all the time. I say identify who you want at 7 or 8 and go for it. Get too cute and miss out.

Sorry mate, don't have much time now but regarding Franz, firstly, his defense reminds me of Klay big time. Not the best athlete in the gym but moves his feet well and uses his length to contest shots. If he can play and defend down/up a position, Warriors will have four players who can switch at the 2/3/4 spots. Defense!

Watch on YouTube

[xdrta+]

Trade Paschall for an early 2nd round pick and Oubre (sign and trade) for a mid-to-late 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick.

If a S&T with Oubre can even be worked out, it will bring back salaried players.

I know this is the Draft thread ... but who would you like to bring in to the Oubre slot that might be possible?

The best I've found so far is Olynyk.

You're right, this is the draft thread and you guys follow these potential picks much closer than me, so I can't add anything to the topic. But as for S&T Oubre, I saw one suggestion I could like--Oubre S&T to Dallas for Dorian Finney-Smith and Dwight Powell. I think Dallas could use Oubre--whether those two guys would improve the Warriors, maybe, but at least they would hang onto the salary slot.

[Onus]

I have mentioned before that if we keep our draft picks, I want shooting, shooting, shooting and am more interested in skillful heady players than athletes per se.

After watching more prospect videos today, I officially want Franz Wagner at 7 or 8 if we get the pick. If he is there at 14, even better... but I doubt it. Just a good fit for the Warriors imo. Not a supreme athlete or anything but still a super tall two way wing who can do a little of everything including shooting over the top of defenders. Some Klay vibes there for me. I say "Lasst uns ihn fangen!"

Hey Devin, would you kindly write about how you value Wagner so highly?

I just don't see it with this player. I think he's lotto-bound, sure, but at 7/8, as you said, it would be a HUGE reach IMHO.

I don't think its a huge reach at all. Mocks get it wrong all the time. I say identify who you want at 7 or 8 and go for it. Get too cute and miss out.

Sorry mate, don't have much time now but regarding Franz, firstly, his defense reminds me of Klay big time. Not the best athlete in the gym but moves his feet well and uses his length to contest shots. If he can play and defend down/up a position, Warriors will have four players who can switch at the 2/3/4 spots. Defense!

Watch on YouTube

He fills in gaps defensively. Was the best defender for one of the best if not the best defense in college. Can guard 2-4 and is good weak side help defender.

Offensively he’s a decent shooter and can make a few plays with the ball.

He’ll be a glue guy type of player who is just solid all around.