Game 30 GSW @ TOR

[squarepimpin]

Yes


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Please cite your sources. As far as I know, JTA simply wasn't happy with not playing which... is exactly is what he should feel. But JTA came back into the rotation when the Warriors needed a spark in one of the games, played well and went on to play really good minutes for us over the stretch that followed (i.e. he earned to stay in the rotation). So it wasn't at all a ‘JTA complained and Kerr just gave in’ kind of situation whatsoever as you seem to insinuate, as far as I'm aware.

After the Cleveland or Detroit game - 11/20 Google Juan Toscano Anderson Playing Time - so to be clear he JTA was stating how he was frustrated about the lack of playing time - now Juan is a good soldier and was more than likely professional about it - but just cause you don’t say it - don’t mean your energy does not communicate it. Kerr being Kerr would’ve pick up on this. Cause … Back On 11/15 Kerr during a press interview talked about JK’s good practices.. and JK was starting to get minutes at the expense of JTA 11/12 to 11/16 - JK avg 15mpg … avg 7ppg at over 50% shooting… after these reports JK does not have a game with more minutes .. than JTA… JTA was starting to lose minute to JK… would it surprise you that after that short stint of games in mid Nov. yesterdays game was the first time JK got over 13 minutes…


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[tarantism]

Yes


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Please cite your sources. As far as I know, JTA simply wasn't happy with not playing which... is exactly is what he should feel. But JTA came back into the rotation when the Warriors needed a spark in one of the games, played well and went on to play really good minutes for us over the stretch that followed (i.e. he earned to stay in the rotation). So it wasn't at all a ‘JTA complained and Kerr just gave in’ kind of situation whatsoever as you seem to insinuate, as far as I'm aware.

After the Cleveland or Detroit game - 11/20 Google Juan Toscano Anderson Playing Time - so to be clear he JTA was stating how he was frustrated about the lack of playing time - now Juan is a good soldier and was more than likely professional about it - but just cause you don’t say it - don’t mean your energy does not communicate it. Kerr being Kerr would’ve pick up on this. Cause … Back On 11/15 Kerr during a press interview talked about JK’s good practices.. and JK was starting to get minutes at the expense of JTA 11/12 to 11/16 - JK avg 15mpg … avg 7ppg at over 50% shooting… after these reports JK does not have a game with more minutes .. than JTA… JTA was starting to lose minute to JK… would it surprise you that after that short stint of games in mid Nov. yesterdays game was the first time JK got over 13 minutes…


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I posted the direct quote above. You're certainly entitled to your interpretation of the quote, but that's just conjecture.

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[squarepimpin]

Please cite your sources. As far as I know, JTA simply wasn't happy with not playing which... is exactly is what he should feel. But JTA came back into the rotation when the Warriors needed a spark in one of the games, played well and went on to play really good minutes for us over the stretch that followed (i.e. he earned to stay in the rotation). So it wasn't at all a ‘JTA complained and Kerr just gave in’ kind of situation whatsoever as you seem to insinuate, as far as I'm aware.

After the Cleveland or Detroit game - 11/20 Google Juan Toscano Anderson Playing Time - so to be clear he JTA was stating how he was frustrated about the lack of playing time - now Juan is a good soldier and was more than likely professional about it - but just cause you don’t say it - don’t mean your energy does not communicate it. Kerr being Kerr would’ve pick up on this. Cause … Back On 11/15 Kerr during a press interview talked about JK’s good practices.. and JK was starting to get minutes at the expense of JTA 11/12 to 11/16 - JK avg 15mpg … avg 7ppg at over 50% shooting… after these reports JK does not have a game with more minutes .. than JTA… JTA was starting to lose minute to JK… would it surprise you that after that short stint of games in mid Nov. yesterdays game was the first time JK got over 13 minutes…


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I posted the direct quote above. You're certainly entitled to your interpretation of the quote, but that's just conjecture.

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Juan is a class guy … so he did not rock the boat, but Kerr is perceptive and after Juan publicly stated his concerns which Kerr may have been sensing the energy anyways given JTA played 37 minutes in the Detroit game to JK’s 12…. - JK has not had a stint like he did in Mid Nov. Facts! And it’s my opinion JK potential and game play has already warranted taking minutes away from some vets maybe not 20mpg as Hi-rez suggests but 12-15 for sure .. which was my initial point… do you agree with that part?


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[tarantism]

After the Cleveland or Detroit game - 11/20 Google Juan Toscano Anderson Playing Time - so to be clear he JTA was stating how he was frustrated about the lack of playing time - now Juan is a good soldier and was more than likely professional about it - but just cause you don’t say it - don’t mean your energy does not communicate it. Kerr being Kerr would’ve pick up on this. Cause … Back On 11/15 Kerr during a press interview talked about JK’s good practices.. and JK was starting to get minutes at the expense of JTA 11/12 to 11/16 - JK avg 15mpg … avg 7ppg at over 50% shooting… after these reports JK does not have a game with more minutes .. than JTA… JTA was starting to lose minute to JK… would it surprise you that after that short stint of games in mid Nov. yesterdays game was the first time JK got over 13 minutes…


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I posted the direct quote above. You're certainly entitled to your interpretation of the quote, but that's just conjecture.

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Juan is a class guy … so he did not rock the boat, but Kerr is perceptive and after Juan publicly stated his concerns which Kerr may have been sensing the energy anyways given JTA played 37 minutes in the Detroit game to JK’s 12…. - JK has not had a stint like he did in Mid Nov. Facts! And it’s my opinion JK potential and game play has already warranted taking minutes away from some vets maybe not 20mpg as Hi-rez suggests but 12-15 for sure .. which was my initial point… do you agree with that part?


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I do, as I said earlier in the thread I think that JK has earned the role of Draymond's backup at this point. So that should give him around 15mpg locked in.

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[xdrta+]

Chiozza got absolutely murdered by FVV

A two-way scrub playing against an excellent NBA vet. Shocker.

Exactly, a “two-way scrub.” Even worse, a two-way scrub with no upside. Why does he play?

He played 26 minutes last night. Who did you want to play instead? The only other PG was Payton, who played 20 minutes. Payton's a rotation player there was no sense in playing him more last night. Who would you have played instead?

[tarantism]

A two-way scrub playing against an excellent NBA vet. Shocker.

Exactly, a “two-way scrub.” Even worse, a two-way scrub with no upside. Why does he play?

He played 26 minutes last night. Who did you want to play instead? The only other PG was Payton, who played 20 minutes. Payton's a rotation player there was no sense in playing him more last night. Who would you have played instead?

It's worth noting that Payton is also not really a PG. So Chiozza was the only actual choice.

We should really try to add a vet ball handler either at the deadline or via buyout.

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[FNQ]

So Kerr is an idiot for playing rookies last year and an idiot for not playing rookies this year? Last year when we were going nowhere? Versus this year when the goal is clearly to play for another championship?

You literally can't please all the people all the time. But Kerr can't please some of you any of the time.

I lol'd at the take that Kerr "learned from Wiseman last year".. like he had any other choice to play him. And playing rookies early on to gauge their current levels of success is smart, but most coaches wont do it because they are afraid of big pivots. For example, Kuminga - he's clearly better than JTA. But JTA is ahead of him in the rotation. Why? Because if you make that big pivot, undoing it is potentially damaging. You've already let JTA know he's the first out of the rotation, and then you have to count on the rookie going forward otherwise turmoil ensues

Would I love to see Kuminga take a full time rotation spot? Absolutely.. but I get why it doesnt happen. What I dont get is in-game, when one of the vets is struggling tremendously (specifically Lee and JTA) and they have a distinct pattern about how and when they play bad, but Kerr doesn't put Moody or Kuminga in for those situations..

But Kerr isn't GM, so I don't blame him for Chiozza, that's on Myers. I'd rather take a flier on the vaccine-afflicted Brandon Goodwin, Keiyfer Sykes, Derrick Walton Jr than continue on with a guy like Chiozza. Walton especially - he was a pretty good shooter in college and is a fine distributor too, but his short wingspan and height keep him out of the NBA. We've worked with smaller players before, and since he's no longer affiliated with a NBA team, why not?

[DevinVassell]

I still don't get why chioza is playing so many minutes. I get the point to play him when 4/5 of the starting line up+a couple of bench player are missing, I get even the point top let him start the game, but why give him so much time on the floor?

Well, he was the only point guard, besides Payton, who did you want to see there instead? It's not like they were going to win.

Who cares if he is a point guard. Maybe in the African Pygmy League. It was a scheduled loss and it therefore should have been a development game, a see how everyone important fits game.

Playing Chioza was never going to increase our chances of winning anyway so give the minutes to relevant players that can use them to develop.

Play JTA at point, play Lee at point, play Moody at point, play Payton at point.

It was a scheduled loss.

[xdrta+]

I still don't get why chioza is playing so many minutes. I get the point to play him when 4/5 of the starting line up+a couple of bench player are missing, I get even the point top let him start the game, but why give him so much time on the floor?

Well, he was the only point guard, besides Payton, who did you want to see there instead? It's not like they were going to win.

Who cares if he is a point guard. Maybe in the African Pygmy League. It was a scheduled loss and it therefore should have been a development game, a see how everyone important fits game.

Playing Chioza was never going to increase our chances of winning anyway so give the minutes to relevant players that can use them to develop.

Play JTA at point, play Lee at point, play Moody at point, play Payton at point.

It was a scheduled loss.

You develop players by running the offense and getting accustomed to sets, not by playing guys out of position who don't know what they are doing. Besides, the ones they are developing, Kuminga and Moody, played 36 and 25 minutes. How much more should they have played? Chiozza played 26 minutes when they had 9 players available and people are going a little overboard about it, IMO.

[shazam_guy]

Squarepimpin', you may notice I didn't quote you, so I wasn't trying to pin anything on you. I'm talking about the general "Kerr is to blame for everything" mood that a lot of the game-thread posters tend to run with -- everything bad is always Kerr's fault. And that shows to particular effect when he's criticized for doing one thing, then criticized for many of the same people for doing the opposite. In short, and what some other posters here think is "blind loyalty" and "not letting anyone say anything bad" on my part, is me saying, "Come on, at least make the criticisms consistent or else you folks are just bitching because you don't know how to lose a game without blaming someone." Usually Kerr or Myers. Or, lately, Damion Lee and Chiozza. Occasionally Curry, even, when he fails to put up godlike numbers.

So, not personal and not directed at you, but at a certain tendency on this board and fan boards in general which really irritates me. I don't expect everyone to be homers, but come on. Kerr is not an idiot and not a villain, he's a pretty damn good coach.

[squarepimpin]

Shazam_guy all good I cannot stand fans who are overly critical of Kerr who we are all very lucky to have… I just didn’t want anybody to count me as one of them … I am making an observation on JK playing time.


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[TB]

After the Cleveland or Detroit game - 11/20 Google Juan Toscano Anderson Playing Time - so to be clear he JTA was stating how he was frustrated about the lack of playing time - now Juan is a good soldier and was more than likely professional about it - but just cause you don’t say it - don’t mean your energy does not communicate it. Kerr being Kerr would’ve pick up on this. Cause … Back On 11/15 Kerr during a press interview talked about JK’s good practices.. and JK was starting to get minutes at the expense of JTA 11/12 to 11/16 - JK avg 15mpg … avg 7ppg at over 50% shooting… after these reports JK does not have a game with more minutes .. than JTA… JTA was starting to lose minute to JK… would it surprise you that after that short stint of games in mid Nov. yesterdays game was the first time JK got over 13 minutes…


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I posted the direct quote above. You're certainly entitled to your interpretation of the quote, but that's just conjecture.

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Juan is a class guy … so he did not rock the boat, but Kerr is perceptive and after Juan publicly stated his concerns which Kerr may have been sensing the energy anyways given JTA played 37 minutes in the Detroit game to JK’s 12…. - JK has not had a stint like he did in Mid Nov. Facts! And it’s my opinion JK potential and game play has already warranted taking minutes away from some vets maybe not 20mpg as Hi-rez suggests but 12-15 for sure .. which was my initial point… do you agree with that part?


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Just my two cents below, plus I'll acknowledge that nobody is actually criticizing JTA here...

but I saw that game, saw the actual interview being discussed... and in no way did it come across like JTA was complaining, frustrated, or any other synonym for bummed/sad/disgruntled. He was giving a totally cliche "bench player" answer about every NBA player of course wants to be playing more minutes. And that he knew the dubs were deep and his minutes would be limited which is why he goes out of his way to just always be ready. There wasn't even a hint of critiquing his minutes.

Nothing JTA said was alarming or controversial. And there is absolutely zero way his comments would have led to Kerr changing his rotation in favor of JTA. If anything, I'm guessing Kerr loves that he never has to worry about JTA being disgruntled about minutes.

Also, Kerr has said that Kuminga deserves more minutes. And he has been finding spots for him. I really do think we are going to see Kuminga getting more minutes as the season goes along. It will probably be some of JTA minutes, and I can guarantee that JTA will say the most professional, supportive comments about it when that time comes.

[jimbutton4]

How many times did that boradcaster say "bottom of the well"? That would be a nice drinking game.

[KevinMcreynolds]

A two-way scrub playing against an excellent NBA vet. Shocker.

Exactly, a “two-way scrub.” Even worse, a two-way scrub with no upside. Why does he play?

He played 26 minutes last night. Who did you want to play instead? The only other PG was Payton, who played 20 minutes. Payton's a rotation player there was no sense in playing him more last night. Who would you have played instead?

You can take those 26 minutes and split em up between anybody. GPII, Moody, Dowtin, who cares, Kerr already decided we were throwing this game away anyways.

[shazam_guy]

Chiozza is probably getting minutes because Kerr wants players, especially his rookies, working with an actual point guard. One of the reasons they hung onto both Chiozza and GP2 (before GP proved his value) is because only one of them plays the standard point. I love what GP2's done, but he's not really a playmaker, at least by 1-guard standards. Similarly, Moody is not a 1-guard either.

Yes, we are in a more position-less NBA now, but that still doesn't mean every player plays the same way, or that every role is the same. As usual, everybody's trying to outthink the coaching, but I don't think this is valid without understanding what Kerr actually intends. Now, if he says, "Chiozza is definitely more in our long-term plans than..." (fill in the blank -- Moody, GP2, whatever) then, yes, I'll probably agree there's a problem. But so far Chiozza is definitely what he looked like when they signed him, a relatively trustworthy substitute PG on a team that sometimes wants to use one.

[sjballer03]

I still don't get why chioza is playing so many minutes. I get the point to play him when 4/5 of the starting line up+a couple of bench player are missing, I get even the point top let him start the game, but why give him so much time on the floor?

Well, he was the only point guard, besides Payton, who did you want to see there instead? It's not like they were going to win.

Who cares if he is a point guard. Maybe in the African Pygmy League. It was a scheduled loss and it therefore should have been a development game, a see how everyone important fits game.

Playing Chioza was never going to increase our chances of winning anyway so give the minutes to relevant players that can use them to develop.

Play JTA at point, play Lee at point, play Moody at point, play Payton at point.

It was a scheduled loss.

I died at African Pygmy League

[FNQ]

For the “Moody’s not a 1” crowd.. he’s also not a player who will do well in garbage time. So putting rookies in a lesser chance to succeed is not exactly a high priority

Meanwhile Chiozza is getting semi-regular minutes as a PG that.. doesn’t really create much because the defense doesn’t believe he’s a threat. Imagine a 5’11 Iguodala with no defense and average at best vision.. it’s just not good.

If Chiozza’s presence is to feed Moody and help him not be subjected to PG Poole, it’s been a massive failure, and they haven’t played a single GL game together either. The ‘on-paper’ arguments don’t work when we’re 1/3 thru the season and it’s not happened that way at all

[floppymoose]

but I saw that game, saw the actual interview being discussed... and in no way did it come across like JTA was complaining, frustrated, or any other synonym for bummed/sad/disgruntled. He was giving a totally cliche "bench player" answer about every NBA player of course wants to be playing more minutes. And that he knew the dubs were deep and his minutes would be limited which is why he goes out of his way to just always be ready. There wasn't even a hint of critiquing his minutes.

Nothing JTA said was alarming or controversial.

Yeah i never pay attention to transcribed quotes of players or coaches on realgm or elsewhere. 90+% of the time if you see original video context, the meaning is clearly not controversial.