12/15 - Game 25: Mavericks (16-9) @ Warriors (14-10) 5:30pm PST

510TWSS · Post #141 » by **510TWSS** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:56 am

I would take Jalen Suggs for JK + more but pretty sure Orl probably wouldn't. Fine, cam johnson or Kuz come on down

CDM_Stats · Post #142 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:57 am

I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

superunknown · Post #143 » by **superunknown** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:59 am

CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

ok, same problem with paul last year then, if kerr cannot be responsible with his minutes he needs to be shipped out. same as podz.

superunknown · Post #144 » by **superunknown** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:00 am

cpower wrote:JK made the starting 5 unplayable and Podz made the bench 5 unplayable...what a dynamic duo

tell joe "light years ahead" lacob.

Onus · Post #145 » by **Onus** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:00 am

CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

He’s obviously not happy being a bench scorer. So if he can’t accept that and the team has to bend over backwards to accommodate him then that’s a problem.

cpower · Post #146 » by **cpower** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:01 am

CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

he needs Dray to cover his a$$ and basically not able to do anything when Dray is not playing. Thats a huge issue because we dont want Dray to play 5 that much. Today's starting lineup give us 62.8 Ortg, 62!!!

https://www.fantasylabs.com/nba/on-off/

superunknown · Post #147 » by **superunknown** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:01 am

510TWSS wrote:I would take Jalen Suggs for JK + more but pretty sure Orl probably wouldn't. Fine, cam johnson or Kuz come on down

well, it's the magic at the end of the day. it's worth it a try :lol:

CDM_Stats · Post #148 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:06 am

Onus wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

He’s obviously not happy being a bench scorer. So if he can’t accept that and the team has to bend over backwards to accommodate him then that’s a problem.

He's an expiring contract going into RFA, his happiness is irrelevant. And if someone is accommodating that at the expense of the team, that would make them the problem, not JK. He is who he is

CDM_Stats · Post #149 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:08 am

cpower wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

he needs Dray to cover his a$$ and basically not able to do anything when Dray is not playing. Thats a huge issue because we dont want Dray to play 5 that much. Today's starting lineup give us 62.8 Ortg, 62!!!

https://www.fantasylabs.com/nba/on-off/

He's done fine with Looney too, but my point is that he clearly has talent. The problem is that we arent using it well anymore.. when he was a 15-20mpg bench scorer, he was less important and less impactful on the W/L. A couple good scoring games and we're back to leaning on him.. thats not his fault

Onus · Post #150 » by **Onus** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:10 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
Onus wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

He’s obviously not happy being a bench scorer. So if he can’t accept that and the team has to bend over backwards to accommodate him then that’s a problem.

He's an expiring contract going into RFA, his happiness is irrelevant. And if someone is accommodating that at the expense of the team, that would make them the problem, not JK. He is who he is

I wish that was how the team acted.

Sure get rid of Kerr as well.

watch1958 · Post #151 » by **watch1958** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:14 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
Onus wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:I dont have the same problem with JK as some of you do... he's not in charge of the minutes. He is who he is, at a certain point the team needs to adjust to that instead of just throwing up hail marys

He’s obviously not happy being a bench scorer. So if he can’t accept that and the team has to bend over backwards to accommodate him then that’s a problem.

He's an expiring contract going into RFA, his happiness is irrelevant. And if someone is accommodating that at the expense of the team, that would make them the problem, not JK. He is who he is

Sounds kinda like Klay last year.

Romulus · Post #152 » by **Romulus** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:16 am

cpower wrote:JK made the starting 5 unplayable and Podz made the bench 5 unplayable...what a dynamic duo

Post of year right here. Benching Draymond is something no other coach would do with this team. My god, how could you watch that first quarter and start the same lineup to start the 3rd quarter?

Despite the score, Warriors never had a chance in this one. Kerr is absolutely clueless. And playing Podz in the 4th when it's crunch time is suicide.

CDM_Stats · Post #153 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:17 am

also re: Podz - give him a chance at SG again. This was likely the last game where he's going to be the backup PG.. changing a player's role can make a huge difference. Gary Payton II broke into the league as a PG.. can you imagine that now? Him running an offense? Or Wiggins as a #1 offensive option?

The trade will have a lot of domino effects and Podz will be one of the biggest

CDM_Stats · Post #154 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:20 am

watch1958 wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
Onus wrote:He’s obviously not happy being a bench scorer. So if he can’t accept that and the team has to bend over backwards to accommodate him then that’s a problem.

He's an expiring contract going into RFA, his happiness is irrelevant. And if someone is accommodating that at the expense of the team, that would make them the problem, not JK. He is who he is
Sounds kinda like Klay last year.

Very similar. At least with Klay we could point to history.. I'm really not sure about why this is happening now

At least this year its 2 step forward, 1 step back. Last year it was the opposite. Hopefully soon we see Curry/Hield/Wiggins/Dray/Looney as a starting unit with the old running off-ball screens to free up Curry/Hield.. I mean we have to at some point right? It worked in the past and then because Klay pooted out, we scrap the whole idea? Hield's in the same mold - dont ask him to dribble and create the shots for him, then let him work

vvoland · Post #155 » by **vvoland** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:26 am

I really didn't come out of this game thinking the issue was jk. Weird that it seems to be the minority opinion

DonaldSanders · Post #156 » by **DonaldSanders** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:47 am

vvoland wrote:I really didn't come out of this game thinking the issue was jk. Weird that it seems to be the minority opinion

JK was not the problem, one problem was Steve continuing to start him over Draymond. JK just catches strays because of Steve's bad decisions. I am afraid of paying JK big money though, I don't want to sign him to a 30M+ contract.

Ultimately though Luka was just on fire and led them to victory, and the Mavs have a better team. Steve does do weird things with lineups though, e.g. vs. the Rockets he went away from what worked in our win by playing Loon only 11 minutes and barely with Sengun, then tonight not starting Draymond when we beat them with Dray starting.

CDM_Stats · Post #157 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:47 am

vvoland wrote:I really didn't come out of this game thinking the issue was jk. Weird that it seems to be the minority opinion

He wasn't, he's just the target. One of those 'dont blame the nepo baby, blame the nepotism' kinda situations

Or maybe its one of those Peter principle things. He's really good as a bench scorer, so why not start him?

Could point to any player on the court really, except Lindy, tonight... but if the strategy looks bad on paper then is bad in reality, I blame the strategist :dontknow:

DonaldSanders · Post #158 » by **DonaldSanders** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:29 am

CDM_Stats wrote:love how absolutely no one helped Podz when he was stuck in the corner... that was the craziest thing I've seen tonight

That was nuts, made me get off the couch literally yelling "help him!!". I've never seen it quite that bad where a guy is screwed and nobody comes to help. What were the thinking? Literally all 4 guys are to blame for not coming to the ball.

CDM_Stats wrote:Also this game is a great example of why starters matter... Mavs got hot and then made the Warriors adjust to this double-heavy defense. Maybe they would have kept shooting like crazy, maybe not.. but they made the Warriors adjust 1st and the Warriors have been chasing them ever since. Start your best 5

Agreed. We have to settle on a starting 5 at some point, we got roasted badly in many games to open with all the experimenting. It seems like we need to go back to the '22 starters with either Hield or Dennis starting. Go back to what has historically worked, because this team has no difference makers that you can really argue for otherwise.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #159 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:00 am

vvoland wrote:I really didn't come out of this game thinking the issue was jk. Weird that it seems to be the minority opinion

He put up a good boxscore. But prioritizing him over the team is an issue. Dray having to come off the bench is an issue. Steph taking a back seat is an issue. The team isn't on the same page on the floor. There's a lack of trust and cohesion.

Is it directly his fault? No. But he's at the center of it. So, during the game when emotions are high, he is the target. After the game, I think most shift that to kerr and his rotations.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #160 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:03 am

DonaldSanders wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:love how absolutely no one helped Podz when he was stuck in the corner... that was the craziest thing I've seen tonight

That was nuts, made me get off the couch literally yelling "help him!!". I've never seen it quite that bad where a guy is screwed and nobody comes to help. What were the thinking? Literally all 4 guys are to blame for not coming to help.

I haven't heard anything. But we've seen things on the court with how he interacts with vets. Wiggs last year and heild just recently.

I'm thinking podz just isn't well liked.

We are starting to see some cracks in the good vibes we had in preseason.