Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[Old_Blue]

I wonder if we could extract New York's first round pick for Oubre? The proposed trade would be Oubre for Alex Burks, Frank Ntilikina and New York's 2021 unprotected first rounder. Oubre would bring some size to the Knicks. Burks can hit it from outside and Ntilikina would be in there just for salary matching purposes.

If this was 10-15 years ago, maybe. The Knicks are no guarantee to make the playoffs with a difficult 2nd half schedule, and cannot afford to give up an unprotected lottery pick for an expiring.
Burks might help us more than Oubre the rest of the way, but I'd prefer Rivers over Frank as a backup PG.

My reasoning is that the Knicks haven't made the playoffs in forever. As close as they are this year, they should want to roll the dice. In order to start to establish a winning culture, you've got to start making the playoffs. That being said, as you say...these are the Knicks. Illogic reigns supreme in the Garden. With regard to Austin Rivers, yes, I agree that he'd be a better get along with Burks. The deal would even save the Warriors a little in luxury tax. Maybe we could sweeten the deal with a second round pick or two and add Top 6 or Top 8 protection on their pick. Just an idea.

[donkeylips]

Warriors didn’t trade an unprotected first for oubre, so can’t see the knicks doing it as well.

[lars_rosenberg]

What about Norman Powell? He's probably available and he seems a perfect fit for the Warriors.
The only problem is that he's getting paid this summer. But that's also the reason he I available.
Oubre + a frp could do the trick. However it makes sense only if the Warriors are determined to keep him and pay a big luxury tax bill.

[donkeylips]

I’d be weary of trading a first unless it’s guaranteed that he will resign

[xdrta+]

I’d be weary of trading a first unless it’s guaranteed that he will resign

I don't know how you could guarantee it. A promise is only a promise.

[wco81]

Powell may be more reliable than Poole right now, mainly because he can take it to the hole better now.

But given the salary differential, Warriors are better off developing Poole and seeing if he becomes a reliable second unit scorer.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

With a couple suggestions and adjustments, what do you guys think:

Wiggins + Oubre + Paschall + Mulder + Minny’s 2021 FRP for Gordon + Fournier + Bamba + Terrence Ross.

It works in the trade machine. And I know Minny’s pick is suppose to net us an Allstar, but I don’t think it’ll happen at the nba trade deadline. So, Most likely more options to explore for the off-season.

[and1GS]

I'm just not sold on trading much of value for Aaron Gordon. He hasn't proven to be a big time player and while I do think there's a path to him being helpful, I don't see why we'd need to ship out so much to both get him and shed salary from a fairly helpful player in Wiggins. Unless we want to live in the delusion that cap space will net us another Durant.

Our owned first and Oubre is the most I'd do. And even then I don't think he massively increases our title chances.

[killmongrel]

I'm just not sold on trading much of value for Aaron Gordon. He hasn't proven to be a big time player and while I do think there's a path to him being helpful, I don't see why we'd need to ship out so much to both get him and shed salary from a fairly helpful player in Wiggins. Unless we want to live in the delusion that cap space will net us another Durant.

Our owned first and Oubre is the most I'd do. And even then I don't think he massively increases our title chances.

I think the logic in trading for AG is that he's under contract for a few more years. He's also somebody the Warriors might convince to take a bench role in the future. So that's how I'm viewing it.

[and1GS]

I'm just not sold on trading much of value for Aaron Gordon. He hasn't proven to be a big time player and while I do think there's a path to him being helpful, I don't see why we'd need to ship out so much to both get him and shed salary from a fairly helpful player in Wiggins. Unless we want to live in the delusion that cap space will net us another Durant.

Our owned first and Oubre is the most I'd do. And even then I don't think he massively increases our title chances.

I think the logic in trading for AG is that he's under contract for a few more years. He's also somebody the Warriors might convince to take a bench role in the future. So that's how I'm viewing it.

Next year is the last on his deal at a good value (16m). Just FYI. So would be a rental for a rental.

[killmongrel]

I'm just not sold on trading much of value for Aaron Gordon. He hasn't proven to be a big time player and while I do think there's a path to him being helpful, I don't see why we'd need to ship out so much to both get him and shed salary from a fairly helpful player in Wiggins. Unless we want to live in the delusion that cap space will net us another Durant.

Our owned first and Oubre is the most I'd do. And even then I don't think he massively increases our title chances.

I think the logic in trading for AG is that he's under contract for a few more years. He's also somebody the Warriors might convince to take a bench role in the future. So that's how I'm viewing it.

Next year is the last on his deal at a good value (16m). Just FYI. So would be a rental for a rental.

Yeah, but at last it gives the Ws time just in case there's a blockbuster deal to be made in the summer or next year.

[and1GS]

I think the logic in trading for AG is that he's under contract for a few more years. He's also somebody the Warriors might convince to take a bench role in the future. So that's how I'm viewing it.

Next year is the last on his deal at a good value (16m). Just FYI. So would be a rental for a rental.

Yeah, but at last it gives the Ws time just in case there's a blockbuster deal to be made in the summer or next year.

Right it kicks the can further down the road. Which is why, IMO, if we're giving up anything that goes beyond next season it shouldn't be of high value. That's why dealing the Minny top 3 protected pick for a shot at re-signing Aaron Gordon sounds ridiculous to me. We would give away a strong asset for what? Offloading Wiggins deal and having a shot to re-sign Aaron Gordon at age 27.

[killmongrel]

Next year is the last on his deal at a good value (16m). Just FYI. So would be a rental for a rental.

Yeah, but at last it gives the Ws time just in case there's a blockbuster deal to be made in the summer or next year.

Right it kicks the can further down the road. Which is why, IMO, if we're giving up anything that goes beyond next season it shouldn't be of high value. That's why dealing the Minny top 3 protected pick for a shot at re-signing Aaron Gordon sounds ridiculous to me. We would give away a strong asset for what? Offloading Wiggins deal and having a shot to re-sign Aaron Gordon at age 27.

Oh, hell, no should we give up the Minny pick. Was that even a possibility? I doubt the FO is even thinking that.

[and1GS]

Yeah, but at last it gives the Ws time just in case there's a blockbuster deal to be made in the summer or next year.

Right it kicks the can further down the road. Which is why, IMO, if we're giving up anything that goes beyond next season it shouldn't be of high value. That's why dealing the Minny top 3 protected pick for a shot at re-signing Aaron Gordon sounds ridiculous to me. We would give away a strong asset for what? Offloading Wiggins deal and having a shot to re-sign Aaron Gordon at age 27.

Oh, hell, no should we give up the Minny pick. Was that even a possibility? I doubt the FO is even thinking that.

I think it was a proposed trade from a page back.

I would do our owned pick (probably high 20s) and Oubre. That's it.

[killmongrel]

Right it kicks the can further down the road. Which is why, IMO, if we're giving up anything that goes beyond next season it shouldn't be of high value. That's why dealing the Minny top 3 protected pick for a shot at re-signing Aaron Gordon sounds ridiculous to me. We would give away a strong asset for what? Offloading Wiggins deal and having a shot to re-sign Aaron Gordon at age 27.

Oh, hell, no should we give up the Minny pick. Was that even a possibility? I doubt the FO is even thinking that.

I think it was a proposed trade from a page back.

I would do our owned pick (probably high 20s) and Oubre. That's it.

Agreed.

[marthafokker]

Right it kicks the can further down the road. Which is why, IMO, if we're giving up anything that goes beyond next season it shouldn't be of high value. That's why dealing the Minny top 3 protected pick for a shot at re-signing Aaron Gordon sounds ridiculous to me. We would give away a strong asset for what? Offloading Wiggins deal and having a shot to re-sign Aaron Gordon at age 27.

Oh, hell, no should we give up the Minny pick. Was that even a possibility? I doubt the FO is even thinking that.

I think it was a proposed trade from a page back.

I would do our owned pick (probably high 20s) and Oubre. That's it.

GSW does not own the pick if it is 21 or lower pick. That will go to OKC.

No way GSW giving up mid 1st round for this. I rather hope to draft Kispert with it instead.

[and1GS]

Oh, hell, no should we give up the Minny pick. Was that even a possibility? I doubt the FO is even thinking that.

I think it was a proposed trade from a page back.

I would do our owned pick (probably high 20s) and Oubre. That's it.

GSW does not own the pick if it is 21 or lower pick. That will go to OKC.

No way GSW giving up mid 1st round for this. I rather hope to draft Kispert with it instead.

I admire your optimism in thinking we will end up as a top 10 record this season

If it comes down to the wire, I think we will do what we did in the Harrison Barnes season and pull some s***housery to keep the pick.

But yeh you kinda make the point i'd make. Which is 'why?' Aaron could be better short term, but he's a UFA once his deal is up. Is that really better than a first round gamble? IDK.

[whatisacenter]

I think it was a proposed trade from a page back.

I would do our owned pick (probably high 20s) and Oubre. That's it.

GSW does not own the pick if it is 21 or lower pick. That will go to OKC.

No way GSW giving up mid 1st round for this. I rather hope to draft Kispert with it instead.

I admire your optimism in thinking we will end up as a top 10 record this season

If it comes down to the wire, I think we will do what we did in the Harrison Barnes season and pull some s***housery to keep the pick.

But yeh you kinda make the point i'd make. Which is 'why?' Aaron could be better short term, but he's a UFA once his deal is up. Is that really better than a first round gamble? IDK.

just to be clear, if the Warriors end up with one of the 10 best records in the league the pick goes to OKC. If the pick is no. 1 - 20 the Warriors keep the pick.

[and1GS]

GSW does not own the pick if it is 21 or lower pick. That will go to OKC.

No way GSW giving up mid 1st round for this. I rather hope to draft Kispert with it instead.

I admire your optimism in thinking we will end up as a top 10 record this season

If it comes down to the wire, I think we will do what we did in the Harrison Barnes season and pull some s***housery to keep the pick.

But yeh you kinda make the point i'd make. Which is 'why?' Aaron could be better short term, but he's a UFA once his deal is up. Is that really better than a first round gamble? IDK.

just to be clear, if the Warriors end up with one of the 10 best records in the league the pick goes to OKC. If the pick is no. 1 - 20 the Warriors keep the pick.

Did I not interpret that correctly? If we are a top 10 record team, we lose the pick, yes? We are currently at #14 and safe. So unless we go on a crazy tear, it should be ours, no? Let me know if I'm missing something.

[lars_rosenberg]

With a couple suggestions and adjustments, what do you guys think:

Wiggins + Oubre + Paschall + Mulder + Minny’s 2021 FRP for Gordon + Fournier + Bamba + Terrence Ross.

It works in the trade machine. And I know Minny’s pick is suppose to net us an Allstar, but I don’t think it’ll happen at the nba trade deadline. So, Most likely more options to explore for the off-season.

Salary aside, Wiggins is the best player in the deal and you also lose a potentially high lottery pick.
Bamba is a bust, Gordon, Fournier and Ross are mediocre role players. They could have a role in our team, but not at this price.