2020 Draft Thread

cdubbz · Post #1561 » by **cdubbz** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:14 am

Seeing Haliburton say he’s been lifting non stop for the past few months and his body looks different and Wiseman posting pics on IG....can’t go wrong. These guys have extra time to bulk up and fill out.

ShayDee · Post #1562 » by **ShayDee** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:47 am

Yea this year is different from other drafts in the sense that prospects have extra time to work on their weaknesses and their game before the draft as well as bulk up. I think there's going to be some sort of combine/in person team work outs in August/September before the draft and alot of players might be way different from how they looked at March

wco81 · Post #1563 » by **wco81** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:06 am

But it will be a long time since they’ve played basketball.

Scoots1994 · Post #1564 » by **Scoots1994** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:37 am

clyde21 wrote:i mean, not like Lamelo played well oversees either, not sure why people hold this against RJ but not Lamelo

I certainly don't think much of LaMelo, but LaMelo did at least show elite level skill in one area (passing/vision) ... Hampton, from what I've seen, wasn't elite at anything.

Scoots1994 · Post #1565 » by **Scoots1994** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:41 am

ShayDee wrote:
wco81 wrote:I wonder if a lot of the higher-ceiling players would be happy getting enough touches or shot attempts here.

Or playing a backup role.

They have 4-5 years on their rookie deals to try to get themselves a max second contract. They won't get that if they play a secondary role, especially scoring-wise.

Trying to think of some high draft choices who've had to settle for secondary roles. Some of them were busts.

But are there going to be guys who try to chuck their way into filling up the scoreboard, when there are very high efficiency shooters on the team?

That's the major disadvantage with our team and what I fear the most. The players that wouldn't really care about their touches, the ones that don't have that much of a scoring repertoire like Okoro, Okongwu, Halibirtun but then we have the others that might not have much impact without the ball or will have their development stifled if they get only a few touches/minutes like Ball, Edwards, Deni, Wiseman.

Obviously one group of players is different than the other and I think the latter has way more potential and is the group we should target if we get the chance (apart from Ball). But then again we have the same problem with bringing in Free agents, they want touches and to put up stats because they want a bigger contract than what the warriors can offer. Some of our TPE targets I fear would also have this issue (like Oubre).

I think for now our best case scenario would be to get at least 2 NBA ready rookies that have an elite skill that would translate to playoff basketball and also could potentially replace starters on our team down the line and would also be willing to accept a limited role. If we end up with Edwards/Wiseman/Deni, we should see if we can shop them and trade down for additional assets and future picks and pick who we actually want around the low lottery or middle of the draft or just keep the top 5 pick and preach our system to them and hope they develop.

And if we are drafting any player, they must be able to score the ball in some way that doesn't require only athleticism and must have high enough IQ. We can't be ending up with guys like Bell, Evans, McCaw, DJ anymore and be relying on Curry to produce all the points for this team

Any player they get has to have a ton of confidence. So many players have come to the Warriors and lost their confidence and struggled to get it back.

vagelis · Post #1566 » by **vagelis** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:38 pm

I just saw some stats of the potential draft picks.
What is more impressive with Wiseman is that he had 19.7 ppg, 10.7 rpg In only 23mpg. That is 30ppg, 17rpg per 36 minutes

ChuckDurn · Post #1567 » by **ChuckDurn** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:43 pm

vagelis wrote:I just saw some stats of the potential draft picks.
What is more impressive with Wiseman is that he had 19.7 ppg, 10.7 rpg In only 23mpg. That is 30ppg, 17rpg per 36 minutes

Bear in mind, he only played 3 games, and one of them W’s against a far inferior team (UIC). Over a full season, those are terrific, but it’s a tiny sample size.

The Maestro · Post #1568 » by **The Maestro** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:56 am

If Wiseman hits his ceiling, he’s an all star and DPOY candidate. If I was trying to hit a home run I’d take him over any other player. Highest potential and most trade value at the same time.

B-King · Post #1569 » by **B-King** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:05 am

Wiseman has as much upside as anyone else in this draft and bust potential is fairly minimal. My hope is the Warriors win the top draft pick and someone in the top 5 falls in love with Ball or Edwards and trades up for him. We can maybe still get Wiseman or Okongwu at the worst.

I absolutely don't want to see Ball on the roster next year. He might have some talent, but he has plenty of knucklehead (Lavar) in him. To be fair, his brother Lonzo seems to have a good head on his shoulder. You can't pick your parents.

vagelis · Post #1570 » by **vagelis** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:42 am

Lamelo seems to me the most talented player in this draft. He has the feel for the game, the skills and the creativity to be unpredictable.
I cannot be sure how athletic he is. He seems that he has a good first step.
I don't know if he is the best fit for Warriors because he will not be a starter for some years and I don't know if he wants that.

Edwards will be good but for some reason I am not very impressed with him. He is athletic and a good slasher but we have to see how will this translate in nba. He may be a good fit for Warriors as a sub for the first 1-2 years. He will find more minutes as wing(substitute of 2 players Thompson and Wiggins) than Lamelo as point guard(substitude of Curry)

Wiseman has the size and the athleticism to be a starting center for Warriors. He is fast for a center with good vertical, so I think that at least he will be a good defender and a lob target in offense. He has not many moves right now. He has to improve his skills and maybe his lower body strength.

I don't know, I have not a clear opinion about the best choice. Right now I prefer Wiseman but I have to see more

Post #1571 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:37 pm

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clyde21 · Post #1572 » by **clyde21** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:20 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:

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chances Atlanta would want to trade up for Edwards?

ILOVEIT · Post #1573 » by **ILOVEIT** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:04 pm

AS GM...pick is here. I take either Deni, Obi, Ball...All three of these guys are current NBA type players. Deni, Obi...have the size and offensive skills and age to impact. Ball is just a Jason Kid type talent...

Wiseman is great if you are drafting in 1995....but what he'll do for the Warriors Chris can already do 90% of that now. I don't see Wiseman exceeding what Chris can do for two years.

Post #1574 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:41 pm

clyde21 wrote:...chances Atlanta would want to trade up for Edwards?

In all honesty, it's really hard to tell.

When our GM falls for a guy, he'll move heaven and earth to grab him (see Hunter, DeAndre in 2019). But we haven't heard much about who we like this draft class. A few whispers about Okongwu and Okoro from The Athletic, but nothing concrete.

It appears this is the last lottery pick we expect to have for a while (we're publicly pushing for a playoff berth next season), so it wouldn't surprise me to see us take a huge swing for another young stud like Ant Edwards to pair with Trae Young.

LaMelo Ball is the only top prospect I can't see us pursuing this summer.

B-King · Post #1575 » by **B-King** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:32 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Wiseman is great if you are drafting in 1995....but what he'll do for the Warriors Chris can already do 90% of that now. I don't see Wiseman exceeding what Chris can do for two years.

That extra 10% Wiseman brings is 3" in height and 5" in wingspan. If this kid fills out with muscle he is going to be a beast.

The Dubs lost some defensive presence with the loss of KD. KD was a huge off ball defender that contested a lot of shots. Chriss and Loney are not big time rim defenders.

The Maestro · Post #1576 » by **The Maestro** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:02 am

Wiseman has to be the pick. Dubs are some dumb bastards if they pass on him. He’s a lot bigger than Chriss and a better athlete.

DAWill1128 · Post #1577 » by **DAWill1128** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:11 am

Our interior was so soft this year and the numbers were so bad that I am not sure it's even possible for us to beat the LA teams without a true center coming in. Wiseman is an athletic 7-1 guy with a 7-6 wingspan. Having someone who can cover the hoop will allow us to play the 3 point line tighter.

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wco81 · Post #1578 » by **wco81** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:15 am

Well for those LA teams, you need wing defenders too. Lebron, Kawhi, PG13.

Not that a rookie is going to come and do that right away.

A big time shot blocker would help though.

Scoots1994 · Post #1579 » by **Scoots1994** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:33 am

Top 3 center picks at C who pan out are VERY rare lately. KAT who is good but not likely to ever be great is the best in the last 15 years. Embiid has played 202 games so far in his career, it almost doesn't matter how good he is when he does play. After him it's probably Al Horford. Too soon to call on Ayton.

Before that, when the game was different, in the next 15 years there was Howard, Yao Ming, Chandler, Duncan, Camby, Shaq, and Mourning.

(I count Anthony Davis as a PF)

I like the potential of Wiseman, but his positional value IS an issue for the Warriors. I wouldn't have an issue taking him if Ron Adams is going to live in his ear, and maybe they can bring in Bogut/Gasol to spend every minute teaching him team defense and how to move the ball ... but even then he's not likely to be a star in the next few years.

All that said, I have no idea who the Warriors may like since there is so much unknown.

wco81 · Post #1580 » by **wco81** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:53 am

KAT stuffs the box score but he can't win by himself.

Still he has to be a top 15 or 20 player?

There was a thread on the GB about how Ayton has improved on switches on a perimeter player, how he's able to move his feet and make guards and forwards earn their points against him.