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Re: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

Post#161 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri Jan 2, 2015 8:14 am

I don't see the Warriors winning the championship without Bogut being healthy for the playoffs. There is nobody the Warriors could acquire that would replace Bogut. Iguodala and Lee can help the Warriors win the championship if Bogut is healthy.

Trade Iguodalla for what? You think Holiday and Livingston iare ready to replace Iguodalla? I hope we have a good version of Iguodalla playing in the playoffs.

A championship is plausible this year with the players we have. This has never been the case before in all my years of watching the Warriors.

I would love to add KG for his toughness and will to win but he is old and I don't know that I would even want to give up David Lee to get him.
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Post#162 » by Mac1958 » Fri Jan 2, 2015 2:19 pm

It all depends on health, which is pretty much what everyone here has predicted since pre-season.

It's an elite roster and we have an excellent coaching staff and system.
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Post#163 » by californiadude » Fri Jan 2, 2015 4:51 pm

Obviously this is one of the best teams in W's history. If Bogut is actually healthy then I really like our chances.
Here's the thing, I've just been let down too many times Bogut/Lee's health. Maybe you guys are right there isn't a deal out their to be had. That'd really stink since it seems like every year there are expiring centers to be had (Koufos, Hawes etc. last year)

I feel like this roster is good enough to actually be a contender with just a replacement level center. Even if you added someone like Dalembert that very well could be enough to push us over the top. I don't want FO to compromise the talent of the roster but if we can get a decent center then that might just make it worth it. It just seems like with Bogut, Lee and Ezeli all missing signficant time already I'm a little nervous about putting our faith in them. I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this one.
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Post#164 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jan 2, 2015 5:50 pm

No way Dalembert pushes us over the top......the guy signs his name with an X.....plus what is his salary? Meaning we'd have to give something up to get him....I don't know his salary because he sucks.
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Post#165 » by sfhand » Fri Jan 2, 2015 5:53 pm

My understanding of big man health issues is it is a crap shoot. There are a lot of 5's this year who are or have been injured. There are also the statements that if this were the playoffs Bogut would be playing (not sure how accurate those are). I have the condition Bogut claims to have. The difference between his condition and mine is I believe his is injury related while mine is congenital; I'm not overly concerned about his situation because of this. But I do know what it feels like to want to push off with your leg and have your knee not be there (I have described it as feeling like a stab wound under the knee cap).

But I digress, my main point is I could rattle off the names of several 5's that have lost playing time this season due to injury and we are barely past the quarter pole. Festus and Bogut being out right now is crappy timing (and due to the circumstances of last years playoff loss to the clippers it might be alarming for some) but is not anything I am worried about long term. That the team is winning at a record pace sure feels strange, almost like when the niners won it for the first time strange. The Warriors winning it all would be sweet... too sweet for words.
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Post#166 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri Jan 2, 2015 8:05 pm

I was thinking we need to get Ezeli playing time so that he can be a developed player in the playoffs. I could move on to saying we need to get Kuzmic playing time but that is starting to seem absurd. I say take our chances and hope that 3 out of Bogut, Ezeli, Speights and Lee are healthy for the playoffs.

I don't think the Warriors can win the Championship without Bogut but just reaching the Western Conference finals without Bogut would be plausible and fun.

If you trade Lee you have to acquire somebody better than Lee. If you get a pure Center for Lee then Speights will need to play some power forward and Kuzmic probably should no longer be on the active roster.

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Post#167 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Fri Jan 2, 2015 8:52 pm

Mylie10 wrote:No way Dalembert pushes us over the top......the guy signs his name with an X.....plus what is his salary? Meaning we'd have to give something up to get him....I don't know his salary because he sucks.


He's making $4,051,527. Speights is making $3,657,500.

Dalembert is arguably a better rounder, shot blocker, shooter... and he has a 7'6.5" wingspan.

He's getting old, but Speights is hot garbage.
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Post#168 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jan 2, 2015 10:32 pm

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Mylie10 wrote:No way Dalembert pushes us over the top......the guy signs his name with an X.....plus what is his salary? Meaning we'd have to give something up to get him....I don't know his salary because he sucks.


He's making $4,051,527. Speights is making $3,657,500.

Dalembert is arguably a better rounder, shot blocker, shooter... and he has a 7'6.5" wingspan.

He's getting old, but Speights is hot garbage.


Fail....and I love you most of the time. Dalembert helps teams lose. Speights has proven to help us win. No thanks to that dumb tool
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Post#169 » by Coxy » Fri Jan 2, 2015 10:57 pm

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Mylie10 wrote:No way Dalembert pushes us over the top......the guy signs his name with an X.....plus what is his salary? Meaning we'd have to give something up to get him....I don't know his salary because he sucks.


He's making $4,051,527. Speights is making $3,657,500.

Dalembert is arguably a better rounder, shot blocker, shooter... and he has a 7'6.5" wingspan.

He's getting old, but Speights is hot garbage.


Dalembert is a better shooter than Speights? Did the magnetic reversal of the polar ice caps happen and I didn't hear about it?
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Post#170 » by turk3d » Fri Jan 2, 2015 11:01 pm

Another possibility for Dalembert would be Barnes who makes only $2.9M. Barnes + Kuz for Dally probably gets it done but I wouldn't trade a good young prospect (who's a starter) for an almost over the hill backup.

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Post#171 » by Kuya » Fri Jan 2, 2015 11:14 pm

The core of Curry, Klay, Barnes and Green should not be split up at all. Unless the latter 2 pull in a legit Star in a package of course.
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Post#172 » by Mylie10 » Sat Jan 3, 2015 12:02 am

When you look at per 36 numbers for Daly and Mo.... Its not even close when you factor in scoring. And Daly's fg% is 44, which is total crap for a big who shoots inside five feet. The rebounding rate is only marginal better than Speights and per 36 only one total rebound....blocks shots goes to Daly by one in 36 minutes, but Speights is scoring 25 points a game per 36 while Daly can't break ten points.

And wed have to pay Dalembert a full million dollars more than Speights who the team seems to have rallied around.

If Dalembert could help, then why is Cole Aldrich playing more and more. Because NY is dying for a rim protector and middle defender....Daly should be that guy, but he sux a$$..... A big N...O....for even thinking about him out load.
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Post#173 » by cdubbz » Sat Jan 3, 2015 12:50 am

Kuya wrote:The core of Curry, Klay, Barnes and Green should not be split up at all. Unless the latter 2 pull in a legit Star in a package of course.


throw in Andre iGLUEdola. He keeps the team together.
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Post#174 » by Kuya » Sat Jan 3, 2015 3:23 am

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Kuya wrote:The core of Curry, Klay, Barnes and Green should not be split up at all. Unless the latter 2 pull in a legit Star in a package of course.


throw in Andre iGLUEdola. He keeps the team together.


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Post#175 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sat Jan 3, 2015 5:34 am

Mylie10 wrote:Fail....and I love you most of the time. Dalembert helps teams lose. Speights has proven to help us win. No thanks to that dumb tool


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Dalembert is a better shooter than Speights? Did the magnetic reversal of the polar ice caps happen and I didn't hear about it?


Dalembert made 50% of his jump shots last year and 45% the year before. He's also a good FT shooter and he can finish at the basket because of his length, something Speight can't do.

If the Warriors are healthy I don't even want to see Speights on the floor. But the players most likely to go down are the rim protectors, so I would rather have a guy Dalembert.
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Post#176 » by Mylie10 » Sat Jan 3, 2015 8:19 am

Is it the mole?
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Post#177 » by kaiballz » Sun Jan 4, 2015 2:21 pm

Mylie10 wrote:How is Iguodalas deal massive? Its declining down the past two seasons. Not as big a deal as a lot of you guys want to make it.

I still think he does intangible things that Lee doesn't.

I'm OK with trading either of them if the right deal comes along but there should be no panic. I'm down for a smaller deal that brings us Brandan Wright.


oh dont get me wrong, i'm sorry if it seemed that way but i am in NO way advocating an iggy trade, or any trade at all whatsoever. i LOVE our team right now. my point is that IF we have to trade someone (big IF here, i'm just calling it HYPOTHETICALLY cos again, i do NOT want a trade), it should not be the most loyal warrior on the team lee, but iggy.

i love our current team so damn much now because i believe its the best in the nba atm and guaranteed a title soon if we can keep em for the next 2-3 years.

1st unit: curry/klay/barnes/green/bogut
2nd unit: shaun/holiday/iggy/lee/speights

using ezeli as a bogut injury backup is perfect. speights on the 2nd unit serves as the offence that our 2nd unit needed so desperately early in the season.
lee also solved alot of the offence problem as we can see since he returned.
holiday over blur has been a genius move as holiday has the catch and shoot ability we needed so much on the second unit, as shaun and iggy are passers. another big plus is that holiday's D rapes blur's D. in the hole.
ezeli as a bogut backup and barbosa the former 6th man of the year as the 11th man (in case of any injury)?

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Post#178 » by East Bay Sports » Sun Jan 4, 2015 3:12 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Fail....and I love you most of the time. Dalembert helps teams lose. Speights has proven to help us win. No thanks to that dumb tool


Coxy wrote:
Dalembert is a better shooter than Speights? Did the magnetic reversal of the polar ice caps happen and I didn't hear about it?


Dalembert made 50% of his jump shots last year and 45% the year before. He's also a good FT shooter and he can finish at the basket because of his length, something Speight can't do.

If the Warriors are healthy I don't even want to see Speights on the floor. But the players most likely to go down are the rim protectors, so I would rather have a guy Dalembert.

wtf is your problem w/ Speights?

Per 36:
25 PT
10.5 REB
1.5 BLK

54 FG%, 80% FT, 58TS%, 23.5 PER

yea, why would we want THIS guy on the floor?! :crazy: :crazy:
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Post#179 » by Onus » Sun Jan 4, 2015 5:01 pm

I'm curious how many people would rather have lee play backup center than speights
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Post#180 » by East Bay Sports » Sun Jan 4, 2015 5:18 pm

Onus wrote:I'm curious how many people would rather have lee play backup than speights

At the 5? Mo is the better option. Lee is a 4 though.

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