way too early Philly speculation

[Currygoat]

Only way Simmons fits on this team is if you trade Draymond or bring one of the bench. They both do the same thing. We would have no decent SF with this trade

I would think a lot of free agent wings might be interested in joining a team with not one but two pass first players in the starting lineup.

Exactly. People here worrying about the fit, when we just brought in an all star at the cost of Wiggins(I do like him though) and 7,14 picks. Worry about the fit later. Warriors still have moves to make after this trade.

Wiggins does more for our offense then Simmons. He is one of the best ISO scorers in the league and he can D up. I would rather keep Wiggins

[Chupchup]

If the proposed trade is Wiggins and 7 and 14, you take that trade easy. Any scenario where you get to keep an asset like Wiseman, regardless of what you think of him, is a win if you add an all star like Simmons on the team regardless of fit. Like I said in the other thread, if it doesn't work, you can still get a haul for Simmons or trade Draymond for a role player. Or trade Wiseman. GS would have so many options. Simmons doesn't deserve a super star trade package. This would be just short of that.

In this scenario, we get to keep Poole, JTA, Looney, and still have the MLE to get a role player. Yes, it's worth it.

Get an Otto Porter Jr. in free agency and hope he takes the MLE. Sign vet minimum guys like Iguodala, Chriss, etc. Doesn't matter. Hope Jessup works out.

Steph/Klay/OPJ/Draymond/Simmons

Wiseman/Poole/Jessup/Iguodala/JTA/Looney/Chriss/Paschall/Lee

Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond. I would rather have Wiggins then Simmons for this team. Only way Simmons fit if you trade Draymond for a stretch 4. Ben and Draymond can’t play together

I have concerns about Ben and Dray combo too but the Warriors also play Looney and Dray combo today and they make it work. Ben would be a upgrade over Looney.

So I would probably give it a year or until trade deadline to see how it works.

[Currygoat]

If the proposed trade is Wiggins and 7 and 14, you take that trade easy. Any scenario where you get to keep an asset like Wiseman, regardless of what you think of him, is a win if you add an all star like Simmons on the team regardless of fit. Like I said in the other thread, if it doesn't work, you can still get a haul for Simmons or trade Draymond for a role player. Or trade Wiseman. GS would have so many options. Simmons doesn't deserve a super star trade package. This would be just short of that.

In this scenario, we get to keep Poole, JTA, Looney, and still have the MLE to get a role player. Yes, it's worth it.

Get an Otto Porter Jr. in free agency and hope he takes the MLE. Sign vet minimum guys like Iguodala, Chriss, etc. Doesn't matter. Hope Jessup works out.

Steph/Klay/OPJ/Draymond/Simmons

Wiseman/Poole/Jessup/Iguodala/JTA/Looney/Chriss/Paschall/Lee

Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond. I would rather have Wiggins then Simmons for this team. Only way Simmons fit if you trade Draymond for a stretch 4. Ben and Draymond can’t play together

I have concerns about Ben and Dray combo too but the Warriors also play Looney and Dray combo today and they make it work. Ben would be a upgrade over Looney.

So I would probably give it a year or until trade deadline to see how it works.

It’s a dumb trade. Especially when Wiggins is a good isolation player and can go get his own bucket. You guys are underestimating Wiggins

[killmongrel]

I would think a lot of free agent wings might be interested in joining a team with not one but two pass first players in the starting lineup.

Exactly. People here worrying about the fit, when we just brought in an all star at the cost of Wiggins(I do like him though) and 7,14 picks. Worry about the fit later. Warriors still have moves to make after this trade.

Wiggins does more for our offense then Simmons. He is one of the best ISO scorers in the league and he can D up. I would rather keep Wiggins

Fantastic. I like him too. But I'm telling you, if the Sixers make this offer, Myers and the FO would get ran out of town for not taking it. A trade where Wiseman stays as well as being able to keep players like Poole? Yeah, they would take it. They'll worry about remedying any issues later even with the slim hope that Simmons remedies his shooting woes. It's a gamble they would deem worth taking and I don't blame them.

But like I said in the other thread, the Sixers would never offer this trade.

[Currygoat]

Exactly. People here worrying about the fit, when we just brought in an all star at the cost of Wiggins(I do like him though) and 7,14 picks. Worry about the fit later. Warriors still have moves to make after this trade.

Wiggins does more for our offense then Simmons. He is one of the best ISO scorers in the league and he can D up. I would rather keep Wiggins

Fantastic. I like him too. But I'm telling you, if the Sixers make this offer, Myers and the FO would get ran out of town for not taking it. A trade where Wiseman stays as well as being able to keep players like Poole? Yeah, they would take it. They'll worry about remedying any issues later even with the slim hope that Simmons remedies his shooting woes. It's a gamble they would deem worth taking and I don't blame them.

But like I said in the other thread, the Sixers would never offer this trade.

Only way you make this trade if you Flip Draymond and Wiseman for a wing that can get buckets in isolation

[killmongrel]

Wiggins does more for our offense then Simmons. He is one of the best ISO scorers in the league and he can D up. I would rather keep Wiggins

Fantastic. I like him too. But I'm telling you, if the Sixers make this offer, Myers and the FO would get ran out of town for not taking it. A trade where Wiseman stays as well as being able to keep players like Poole? Yeah, they would take it. They'll worry about remedying any issues later even with the slim hope that Simmons remedies his shooting woes. It's a gamble they would deem worth taking and I don't blame them.

But like I said in the other thread, the Sixers would never offer this trade.

Only way you make this trade if you Flip Draymond and Wiseman for a wing that can get buckets in isolation

I can see the Warrior FO getting brave and doing that if they gotta.

I'll repeat, when you have the shot to get talent like Simmons, albeit flawed, at the price of Andrew Wiggins and the 7th, 14th pick, you do it. Myers and FO know the value in such a trade, especially, like I said, they're left with options should they have to pivot.

[Chupchup]

Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond. I would rather have Wiggins then Simmons for this team. Only way Simmons fit if you trade Draymond for a stretch 4. Ben and Draymond can’t play together

I have concerns about Ben and Dray combo too but the Warriors also play Looney and Dray combo today and they make it work. Ben would be a upgrade over Looney.

So I would probably give it a year or until trade deadline to see how it works.

It’s a dumb trade. Especially when Wiggins is a good isolation player and can go get his own bucket. You guys are underestimating Wiggins

We can't run our offense through Wiggins. His handles isn't good enough so he doesn't really get others easier shots.

Simmons is a playmaker. We really need more playmakers.

[xdrta+]

I have concerns about Ben and Dray combo too but the Warriors also play Looney and Dray combo today and they make it work. Ben would be a upgrade over Looney.

So I would probably give it a year or until trade deadline to see how it works.

It’s a dumb trade. Especially when Wiggins is a good isolation player and can go get his own bucket. You guys are underestimating Wiggins

We can't run our offense through Wiggins. His handles isn't good enough so he doesn't really get others easier shots.

Simmons is a playmaker. We really need more playmakers.

Who plays SF? Can't just say, oh they'll get someone later. You need someone who can score from the SF spot, preferably getting his own shot. With the middle all clogged up, you're depending on Steph and Klay to score a hundred points from the outside. Not going to work.

[Chupchup]

It’s a dumb trade. Especially when Wiggins is a good isolation player and can go get his own bucket. You guys are underestimating Wiggins

We can't run our offense through Wiggins. His handles isn't good enough so he doesn't really get others easier shots.

Simmons is a playmaker. We really need more playmakers.

Who plays SF? Can't just say, oh they'll get someone later. You need someone who can score from the SF spot, preferably getting his own shot. With the middle all clogged up, you're depending on Steph and Klay to score a hundred points from the outside. Not going to work.

Obviously that will be a potential gap. I don't think they need to create their own shot. They just need to hopefully stretch the floor. So maybe Juan or Poole. Simmons would be the one doing the creating.

[Scoots1994]

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Would you do Andrew Wiggins, the 7th pick, and 14th pick for Ben Simmons?

No. I'm not sure I'd do Wiggins for Simmons. Not because I love Wiggins so much but Ben is broken.

[ILOVEIT]

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Would you do Andrew Wiggins, the 7th pick, and 14th pick for Ben Simmons?

No. I'm not sure I'd do Wiggins for Simmons. Not because I love Wiggins so much but Ben is broken.

Is Ben better than Wiggins, #7, #14 pick?
Does he fit better the Wiggins with Draymond?

ya know...I bet if Wiggins was playing for Philly and we ALREADY had SImmons...we would be talking about sending him and our picks for Wiggins! lol

I guess I"m seriously underrating Simmons....and I"m very concerned about him and Draymond ... two guys that struggle to score and BOTH need the ball in their hands to make them worth their contracts.

I would trade Draymond for Simmons before I would trade Wiggins....Let Simmons take over the point forward/center roll if he's THAT good. If we are afraid of replacing Draymond with Simmons then clearly we don't trust Simmons to begin with.

[DaBolden76]

GS would be interested in Simmons but only at their perceived value. I would like GS keeps 14 and use that pick to select Giddey.

[Scoots1994]

Fantastic. I like him too. But I'm telling you, if the Sixers make this offer, Myers and the FO would get ran out of town for not taking it. A trade where Wiseman stays as well as being able to keep players like Poole? Yeah, they would take it. They'll worry about remedying any issues later even with the slim hope that Simmons remedies his shooting woes. It's a gamble they would deem worth taking and I don't blame them.

But like I said in the other thread, the Sixers would never offer this trade.

Only way you make this trade if you Flip Draymond and Wiseman for a wing that can get buckets in isolation

I can see the Warrior FO getting brave and doing that if they gotta.

I'll repeat, when you have the shot to get talent like Simmons, albeit flawed, at the price of Andrew Wiggins and the 7th, 14th pick, you do it. Myers and FO know the value in such a trade, especially, like I said, they're left with options should they have to pivot.

I get the idea, but I think the price is too high with the flaws and lack of development of Simmons. Wiggins playing for the first time on a decent team significantly stepped up his game, while as the pressure on Simmons went up his game got worse. Add to that 2 lottery picks in a great draft? Too much.

[killmongrel]

Only way you make this trade if you Flip Draymond and Wiseman for a wing that can get buckets in isolation

I can see the Warrior FO getting brave and doing that if they gotta.

I'll repeat, when you have the shot to get talent like Simmons, albeit flawed, at the price of Andrew Wiggins and the 7th, 14th pick, you do it. Myers and FO know the value in such a trade, especially, like I said, they're left with options should they have to pivot.

I get the idea, but I think the price is too high with the flaws and lack of development of Simmons. Wiggins playing for the first time on a decent team significantly stepped up his game, while as the pressure on Simmons went up his game got worse. Add to that 2 lottery picks in a great draft? Too much.

I think the criticism against the trade are fair. Trust me, I've thought it over before I said I would do it and am not in love with the idea. But in the end, I have to say that yes I would do it. It would be the last time that GS would be able to get an all star talent on the team in Steph's prime. Yes, his flaws and fit are scary. But if for some reason it works, GS is Gucci.

But one of the reasons I like it is because of the options it gives us as well. Being able to add talent like Simmons while keeping a high potential prospect like Wiseman is a trade you make. Just way too tempting. Obviously, we'd have to also depend on the FO's ability get some wing help as well to replace Wiggins. But that's a good problem to have after acquiring this kind of talent.

[HiRez]

There is no better destination in the league for Simmons than GS, with not one but 2 elite (all-time) outside volume scoring snipers. Despite his flaws, Simmons brings flexibility that neither Draymond nor Wiggins can match. Personally I think Simmons would thrive here but I get why people are averse to the prospect as well. If you bring him in, it’s kind of like a Rubik’s cube where you have to scramble the puzzle temporarily to make a move, he wouldn’t be added as the final move. It’s the smaller finishing move or two where Myers has to earn his money, it won’t be easy.

[Mylie10]

The one glaring item that I feel Simmons would benefit from playing for Kerr. I like the personality fit for Ben with Kerr.

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Would you do Andrew Wiggins, the 7th pick, and 14th pick for Ben Simmons?

No. I'm not sure I'd do Wiggins for Simmons. Not because I love Wiggins so much but Ben is broken.

Is Ben better than Wiggins, #7, #14 pick?
Does he fit better the Wiggins with Draymond?

ya know...I bet if Wiggins was playing for Philly and we ALREADY had SImmons...we would be talking about sending him and our picks for Wiggins! lol

I guess I"m seriously underrating Simmons....and I"m very concerned about him and Draymond ... two guys that struggle to score and BOTH need the ball in their hands to make them worth their contracts.

I would trade Draymond for Simmons before I would trade Wiggins....Let Simmons take over the point forward/center roll if he's THAT good. If we are afraid of replacing Draymond with Simmons then clearly we don't trust Simmons to begin with.

I think it would be Wiggins that would go, for several reasons. 1) Philly wants to get rid of Simmons because he isn't providing enough offense for them, so Draymond doesn't help there, in fact he downgrades them even more. 2) Draymond is part of GS legendary triad, I doubt they want to break that up if possible...keep the band together. 3) They need Draymond on Simmons' ass 24/7 so he can't dog it, Draymond is basically Kerr's "muscle" and coach gets to play the nice guy. 4) Wiggins and Simmons' salaries match for a trade, with Draymond you'd have to send out ~$2.6M more to match. 5) Philly is very thin at SF.

So Draymond and Simmons together, you have the shooting issue. However, you just added another elite passer and rim-finisher so it's not a total negative. And you just put 2 perennial DPOY candidates together. Along with Klay, this team would really be a defensive beast (Wiseman TBD). Wiggins has done better defensively than expected and deserves a lot of credit, but he's not on Simmons' level there. Simmons would nominally be plugged in at SF to replace Wiggins but he can play every position 1-5 when needed (granted, SG is quite a stretch on the offensive end).

What we don't know is what Philly would be willing to accept, or what other teams would be willing to offer. I'd prefer to not give up both our picks but we'd probably have to. If we could take back Maxey, quick young guard who loves to push the ball downhill, or Shake, a combo guard with a bit more point sensibilities than Poole, it would make it easier to part with both picks. I know some of you are in love with Poole, but I'm not. He's improved from his rookie year, but he's still too erratic and one-dimensional for me.

Simmons + Maxey/Shake <---> Wiggins + Poole + #7 + #14

[Upperclass]

^ Simmons cant play SF because he cant shoot. You cant run a normal offense with a guy who cant hit from outside.. so he needs to initiate offense or play on the block. Simmons and Dray at PF/C would be too much for most teams in the league imo. For the bigger centers like Embiid and Ayton, you pick up free agency guy or Wiseman if he sticks, which i dont think he will.

Or you run Simmons at 1, with Curry 2, Poole at 3, Dray at 4 and new player 5. Simmons on D guards the SF and Curry/Poole take the guards. But regardless the Warriors need to retool their wing positions and the block. Only players who should stick right now are imo:

Curry
Dray
Poole
JTA
Klay (will likely be a 6th man when he returns)

Everyone else is tradeable or cuttable

[Scoots1994]

I can see the Warrior FO getting brave and doing that if they gotta.

I'll repeat, when you have the shot to get talent like Simmons, albeit flawed, at the price of Andrew Wiggins and the 7th, 14th pick, you do it. Myers and FO know the value in such a trade, especially, like I said, they're left with options should they have to pivot.

I get the idea, but I think the price is too high with the flaws and lack of development of Simmons. Wiggins playing for the first time on a decent team significantly stepped up his game, while as the pressure on Simmons went up his game got worse. Add to that 2 lottery picks in a great draft? Too much.

I think the criticism against the trade are fair. Trust me, I've thought it over before I said I would do it and am not in love with the idea. But in the end, I have to say that yes I would do it. It would be the last time that GS would be able to get an all star talent on the team in Steph's prime. Yes, his flaws and fit are scary. But if for some reason it works, GS is Gucci.

But one of the reasons I like it is because of the options it gives us as well. Being able to add talent like Simmons while keeping a high potential prospect like Wiseman is a trade you make. Just way too tempting. Obviously, we'd have to also depend on the FO's ability get some wing help as well to replace Wiggins. But that's a good problem to have after acquiring this kind of talent.

I know it's a reach but it's not impossible for Wiggins to get an all-star and all-defense not next year and the fit is good and there isn't an adjustment for everyone else on the team to a new teammate.

[Commodor]

I could see a Simmons for Wiggins & #7 followed by a Wiseman+14 for Myles Turner.

Turner gives us some range so that the lane is not clogged for dray and Simmons. Also allows Simmons to be a fourth scoring option.