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[Dom801e]

I would be fine adding Kanter. If only for helping Wiseman grow. Kanter is elite at offensive rebounding and very good at scoring in low post. Those are the two areas Wiseman needs to improve defending, so having Kanter to go at in practice should accelerate his development.

Only problem is Draymond might kill him in a game for his lack of defense.

[superunknown]

Underwhelmed with our moves so far. Hoping there's at least one solid acquisition left in the chamber

Which two at the min would be more whelming?

The team still needs one more key player. If they get RJ (the #1 option left), or Schroeder if RJ resigns, I'll take that and run. To me Batum was the perfect x factor to turn this team into a championship contender, RJ is the next closest thing even if he doesn't play like he did last PS.

Agree on Jackson but IMO the team still needs a big body at the C spot. Wiseman is still an equation’s unknown quantity and looney is not that type of big. Chriss, injury aside, wouldn’t be the answer neither.

[ChuckDurn]

What would we be giving up In a potential Ingles trade?

I think the answer is that the team would love to have him, we'd all love to have him, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to find a way to make such a trade work. Even if we loaded up Paschall (who they supposedly like), Lee, and Mulder, and used draft picks to make it more appealing for them, we'd still be nowhere enough salary to take Ingles back. We'd have to include a center (Looney or Wiseman) where we're already thin, and such a move would arguably create more problems than it would solve. The only way I can imagine is getting creative with Oubre.

Just noticed Lee is a free agent. Just gets messier.

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

[a8bil]

What would we be giving up In a potential Ingles trade?

I think the answer is that the team would love to have him, we'd all love to have him, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to find a way to make such a trade work. Even if we loaded up Paschall (who they supposedly like), Lee, and Mulder, and used draft picks to make it more appealing for them, we'd still be nowhere enough salary to take Ingles back. We'd have to include a center (Looney or Wiseman) where we're already thin, and such a move would arguably create more problems than it would solve. The only way I can imagine is getting creative with Oubre.

Just noticed Lee is a free agent. Just gets messier.

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

And that doesn't send up warning flags for you?

[ChuckDurn]

I think the answer is that the team would love to have him, we'd all love to have him, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to find a way to make such a trade work. Even if we loaded up Paschall (who they supposedly like), Lee, and Mulder, and used draft picks to make it more appealing for them, we'd still be nowhere enough salary to take Ingles back. We'd have to include a center (Looney or Wiseman) where we're already thin, and such a move would arguably create more problems than it would solve. The only way I can imagine is getting creative with Oubre.

Just noticed Lee is a free agent. Just gets messier.

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

And that doesn't send up warning flags for you?

I’ve seen him play, and Utah’s issue is financial. So, no. I’m not worried about his productivity. Just what the loss of Wiggins’ athleticism and defense would do. Ingles would be a boon to our offense.

[Scoots1994]

What would we be giving up In a potential Ingles trade?

I think the answer is that the team would love to have him, we'd all love to have him, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to find a way to make such a trade work. Even if we loaded up Paschall (who they supposedly like), Lee, and Mulder, and used draft picks to make it more appealing for them, we'd still be nowhere enough salary to take Ingles back. We'd have to include a center (Looney or Wiseman) where we're already thin, and such a move would arguably create more problems than it would solve. The only way I can imagine is getting creative with Oubre.

Just noticed Lee is a free agent. Just gets messier.

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

I think that is a big overpay for Ingles and randoms.

[Scoots1994]

I think the answer is that the team would love to have him, we'd all love to have him, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to find a way to make such a trade work. Even if we loaded up Paschall (who they supposedly like), Lee, and Mulder, and used draft picks to make it more appealing for them, we'd still be nowhere enough salary to take Ingles back. We'd have to include a center (Looney or Wiseman) where we're already thin, and such a move would arguably create more problems than it would solve. The only way I can imagine is getting creative with Oubre.

Just noticed Lee is a free agent. Just gets messier.

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

And that doesn't send up warning flags for you?

I think Ingles PT is dropping, he's old, and he's overpaid, and they want to get under the tax. They need to pay to get rid of him.

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[SpreeS]

We need Iggy to run our second unit at PG position.

[ChuckDurn]

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

And that doesn't send up warning flags for you?

I think Ingles PT is dropping, he's old, and he's overpaid, and they want to get under the tax. They need to pay to get rid of him.

Yep, Ingles is getting older. But he makes less than half of what Wiggins makes, despite statistically being miles superior to him on every efficiency-based offense metric, and is actually not much worse defensively. Check out their offensive ratings, defensive ratings, and win shares/48, and it’s not even arguable.

I know this would be crazy controversial and very unpopular, but Ingles’ “ugly game” is actually way more effective than Wiggins’ game, at least on offense. And with Porter, Moody, JTA, and potentially a little bit of Kuminga, it’s not like we would need Ingles (or Wiggins, for that matter) to play 35 minutes a game.

But yeah, this idea definitely isn’t for everyone.

[ChuckDurn]

We need Iggy to run our second unit at PG position.

I’d be okay with this….. in fact, I suggested this a few days ago in another post.

[a8bil]

And that doesn't send up warning flags for you?

I think Ingles PT is dropping, he's old, and he's overpaid, and they want to get under the tax. They need to pay to get rid of him.

Yep, Ingles is getting older. But he makes less than half of what Wiggins makes, despite statistically being miles superior to him on every efficiency-based offense metric, and is actually not much worse defensively. Check out their offensive ratings, defensive ratings, and win shares/48, and it’s not even arguable.

I know this would be crazy controversial and very unpopular, but Ingles’ “ugly game” is actually way more effective than Wiggins’ game, at least on offense. And with Porter, Moody, JTA, and potentially a little bit of Kuminga, it’s not like we would need Ingles (or Wiggins, for that matter) to play 35 minutes a game.

But yeah, this idea definitely isn’t for everyone.

I looked at Ingles production down the stretch for Utah and he actually looked decent. I'm not a huge fan of the analytics...they have their uses, but put Wiggins on Utah's team last year and all of his metrics go up as well. That's the benefit of playing on a top team...rising tide...

[SpreeS]

Idont want criticise our new singings but these new comers don’t make sense, at least Bjelica to Porter.

GSW had TOP5 defence and only 19th offence. We were the last at OREB and TOP5 at TOV%, if GSW was average at these stats, our offence could sneak in to TOP10 alone w/o Klay addition. So Porter/Bjelica won’t improve our weaknesses, just add shooting. We didn’t get rebounders or decision makers. So Iggy would help us a lot.

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[RooneyFan]

Hi. I hardly ever post here but I read the posts in the Warriors forum pretty religiously and the posts in the general board from time to time. I also know very little about NBA salary cap machinations - basically just what I read here.

Question about Oubre's situation.

He reportedly wants $20M/year and wants to start. Obviously, he's not getting either of those things with the Warriors (at least after Klay comes back). He's also not getting $20M/year from any team and he apparently hasn't gotten any sub-$20M/year offers he likes yet. What happens if a sign and trade deal doesn't materialize (and if I understand what I've been reading here in the forum, it's increasingly unlikely that it will happen)?

What if he says to the Warriors that he wants to come back on a one-year deal and that he's willing to come off the bench?

Is there a salary where you think he would have value coming off the bench? Or is he such a bad fit that he's not wanted at all?

Whatever the board's position, what do you think the Warriors say (especially since the roster is filling up)? If I remember correctly, in the press conference after the exit interviews, Myers said that they told Oubre they would like him to come back.

[donkeylips]

if hes willing to accept a reasonable deal and knows he will be a 6th or 7th man when klay is fully healthy, id bring him back.

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Would be nice for us to get a reliable vet at Center like Baynes. Especially since he's shown some ability to shoot the 3

[Chris Porter's Hair]

What would we be giving up In a potential Ingles trade?

I think the answer is that the team would love to have him, we'd all love to have him, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to find a way to make such a trade work. Even if we loaded up Paschall (who they supposedly like), Lee, and Mulder, and used draft picks to make it more appealing for them, we'd still be nowhere enough salary to take Ingles back. We'd have to include a center (Looney or Wiseman) where we're already thin, and such a move would arguably create more problems than it would solve. The only way I can imagine is getting creative with Oubre.

Just noticed Lee is a free agent. Just gets messier.

OKC is buying out Kemba, which will create huge salary space for them. While highly unlikely, I could squint and see an opportunity for an unbalanced 3+ party trade, starting with (note: this isn't complete, more would need to be added):

GSW out: Wiggins, Paschall, draft compensation
GSW in: Ingles + other players (and/or TPE, to add players in the future)

OKC out: TBD
OKC in: Wiggins, draft compensation

Utah out: Ingles
Utah in: Paschall

For the Warriors, this reduces their tax bill quite mightily, while getting back Ingles and maybe additional players. A HUGE concern would be our athleticism (defense) in the starting line-up, where Ingles could replace Wiggins (backed up by Porter, Moody, etc.....).

OKC would get back a productive player (who comes off the books in 2 years, when they're probably starting to want to be good) and more draft picks.

Utah is able to get off Ingles' salary (rumors are that they'd dump him for nothing), while getting back Paschall, who they're apparently interested in.

Again, I think it's really unlikely, given our front office's love for Wiggins, but it's possible.

I like Ingles, and hate this idea. I think as soon as you give up Wiggins to get Ingles, I'm not at all convinced we've improved, and by the time we're giving up draft picks and such on top of it, no way I'd do it.

This isn't where I thought you were going. My memory is bad, so I don't remember the exact ramifications for OKC of buying out Kemba; I know you don't get to pretend like the contract never happened, but I don't remember these days if you get to minimize the impact, or if it has to do with what the Knicks pay him, etc. etc. But if OKC finds they are below the minimum salary, or at least have money to play with and no players, then I thought you were going to propose sending them Oubre in a S&T. Ingles makes like $13m this year, so I wonder if you could do something like:
Trade 1:
Golden State gives Oubre (S&T for something at least equal to Ingles' salary)
Golden State gets Ingles

Utah gives Ingles, some draft compensation
Utah gets a bag of chips

OKC gives a bag of chips
OKC gets Oubre (S&T), some draft compensation

Trade 2:
Golden State gives Paschall, some draft compensation
Golden State gets a bag of chips

Utah gives a bag of chips
Utah gets Paschall

When the dust clears, we effectively get Ingles for Paschall and some draft stuff. Utah gets Paschall for Ingles. OKC gets Oubre and some draft compensation for facilitating. This naturally only makes sense if Utah wants out from under Ingles' contract and likes Paschall, otherwise they'd laugh, because the value isn't there for them. I *think* this is legal as described?

[Samurai]

Which two at the min would be more whelming?

The team still needs one more key player. If they get RJ (the #1 option left), or Schroeder if RJ resigns, I'll take that and run. To me Batum was the perfect x factor to turn this team into a championship contender, RJ is the next closest thing even if he doesn't play like he did last PS.

Agree on Jackson but IMO the team still needs a big body at the C spot. Wiseman is still an equation’s unknown quantity and looney is not that type of big. Chriss, injury aside, wouldn’t be the answer neither.

I guess the question is what would the priority be? If we assume we are at 13 spots taken (Curry, Klay, Dray, Wiggins, Looney, Wiseman, Poole, JTA, Kuminga, Moody, OPJ, Belly, Paschall), that leaves 2 left if we go up to 15 but only 1 left if the team wants the flexibility of keeping the 15th spot open for flexibility. If we assume Paschall gets moved, that makes it 12. If we have 3 spots left, our choices are, among others, another big, a PG, Iggy (who could be considered as the PG), and a scrum between Lee (whom we have a team option), Mulder, GP2, and Jessup (assuming Mannion could get another 2-way). But if the team wants to keep the last slot open, then its only 2 left. What would be the priority for those 2 spots - a 4th big, a PG (Iguodala or someone else), or another shooter (Lee, Mulder, Jessup)?