Welcome back GP2!!

[Chris Porter's Hair]

So far, anything I've found suggests we can't renegotiate, get Portland to take fewer picks, keep Bey, anything like that. It sure looks like either we take the deal as-is, or we rescind the entire 4 team trade. I'd wonder if Portland wouldn't get punished for this somehow, but that still wouldn't help us any. What a mess.

[Samurai]

3 months means he wouldn’t even be available for the start of the playoffs. I don’t see how the warriors go through with this.

Actually I can still see the Warriors going ahead with the trade even if GP2 is out for the year. Reasons: 1) If this trade was largely about the Benjamins, how exactly does scrapping the trade resolve the team's luxury tax dilemma? 2) Even if GP2 were healthy, we most likely aren't winning a chip this year. In fact, our odds of winning is lower now than it was before the trade. Not because Wiseman is so much more impactful than GP2; it has to do with what other teams in our division did; adding KD is much more impactful than having a healthy GP2. 3) Barring injury, DDV will opt out after this year as he has proven to be more valuable than the $7M MLE max we can offer him. If our training staff believes GP2 will be healthy for the start of next season, he still gives us a backfill for the DDV role even if he doesn't play this season.

And the biggest reason by far: 4) Way beyond awkward to hang a bunch of 'Welcome back James' signs in the locker room with the name Gary crossed out and James scribbled in crayon next to it.

[Warriorfan]

Was it a 4 team trade or 2 trades. We might be able to keep Bey.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Was it a 4 team trade or 2 trades. We might be able to keep Bey.

It was a 4 team trade

[Onus]

3 months means he wouldn’t even be available for the start of the playoffs. I don’t see how the warriors go through with this.

Actually I can still see the Warriors going ahead with the trade even if GP2 is out for the year. Reasons: 1) If this trade was largely about the Benjamins, how exactly does scrapping the trade resolve the team's luxury tax dilemma? 2) Even if GP2 were healthy, we most likely aren't winning a chip this year. In fact, our odds of winning is lower now than it was before the trade. Not because Wiseman is so much more impactful than GP2; it has to do with what other teams in our division did; adding KD is much more impactful than having a healthy GP2. 3) Barring injury, DDV will opt out after this year as he has proven to be more valuable than the $7M MLE max we can offer him. If our training staff believes GP2 will be healthy for the start of next season, he still gives us a backfill for the DDV role even if he doesn't play this season.

And the biggest reason by far: 4) Way beyond awkward to hang a bunch of 'Welcome back James' signs in the locker room with the name Gary crossed out and James scribbled in crayon next to it.

I thought the trade was billed as something to help for the now and the now can’t even suit up.

If you think this team should give up because of the additions then you should want to keep wiseman.

[WarriorGM]

Is it time to make a "Welcome back Wiseman!!" thread yet?

[whatisacenter]

this is such a mess....no good outcome can come from this.

[CDM_Stats]

Cannot be amended

[xdrta+]

There was some reporting somewhere that GP2 wanted out of PDX. What i get from that is that they obliged him since they werent going anywhere this year anyways.

According to Jason Quick of The Athletic, Portland has a problem. Talking about the trade deadline he wrote:

Of greater concern is not what happened at this deadline. It’s what is happening to this once proud organization and the uncertainty that creates this summer with Jerami Grant. If you pay close attention to the players who have left Portland in the last year, there has been an unabashed excitement upon getting traded. Almost like a relief. Norman Powell and Robert Covington expressed their excitement when they arrived at the Clippers. Hart had an Instagram story of him singing after he was traded. Larry Nance Jr. this week celebrated the one-year anniversary of his and CJ McCollum’s trade to New Orleans by retweeting the team’s post marking the event. He tagged McCollum on his post, saying “Not a bad day, huh?”

A source, who was granted anonymity so that they could speak freely, says a reason Payton was traded was he indicated he didn’t want to be in Portland and was ecstatic to return to Golden State, an embarrassing development for Cronin’s first free-agent signing.

That leads to Grant, who told The Athletic earlier this month that he has been offered a four-year, $112 million extension by the Blazers. He said he will likely wait until after the season to make a decision on the offer...

https://theathletic.com/4174601/2023/02/09/blazers-trade-deadline-frustration/?source=emp_shared_article

[WarriorGM]

this is such a mess....no good outcome can come from this.

Look on the bright side, if the Warriors still end up winning a championship this year it will be legendary!

[Flash Falcon X]

Didn't he literally just play against us? Where is this injury coming from?

https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-reunion-with-gary-payton-ii-reportedly-in-jeopardy-after-blazers-g-fails-physical-001257469.html

"However, Charania reports that Payton had been receiving pain-killing Toradol shots as the Blazers' training staff pushed him to play through the pain, something the Warriors were not told during the negotiation process. If true, you can see why the Warriors might want to wash their hands of the deal."

Damn, GSW got screwed then. Warriors probably had at least 1 or 2 more trade paths to get rid of Wiseman before going with GPII. Could have sent Wiseman somewhere else if there was transparency about this injury.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

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What I don't know is: if we (understandably) decide to rescind the trade, and it turns out Portland didn't properly disclose something like this, they likely get punished. Do they end up compensating us, Detroit, and Atlanta? Or just giving money to the league/losing picks/whatever?

[Old_Blue]

Hang on. Haven't we seen something similar happen before where the teams were permitted to renegotiate regarding additional compensation? That said, the Kyrie for IT deal wasn't a trade deadline deal.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/31/isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-cavaliers-celtics-kyrie-irving-trade

[CDM_Stats]

Cannot be amended

What I don't know is: if we (understandably) decide to rescind the trade, and it turns out Portland didn't properly disclose something like this, they likely get punished. Do they end up compensating us, Detroit, and Atlanta? Or just giving money to the league/losing picks/whatever?

Would be tough to conclusively prove. Easy to say it was told over the phone or any medium, and at that point punishing based on that premise is pretty tough

[parsnips33]

Didn't he literally just play against us? Where is this injury coming from?

https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-reunion-with-gary-payton-ii-reportedly-in-jeopardy-after-blazers-g-fails-physical-001257469.html

"However, Charania reports that Payton had been receiving pain-killing Toradol shots as the Blazers' training staff pushed him to play through the pain, something the Warriors were not told during the negotiation process. If true, you can see why the Warriors might want to wash their hands of the deal."

Damn, GSW got screwed then. Warriors probably had at least 1 or 2 more trade paths to get rid of Wiseman before going with GPII. Could have sent Wiseman somewhere else if there was transparency about this injury.

Putting a curse on the Blazers organization. Dame you don't owe these snakes anything get out of there

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Hang on. Haven't we seen something similar happen before where the teams were permitted to renegotiate regarding additional compensation? That said, the Kyrie for IT deal wasn't a trade deadline deal.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/31/isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-cavaliers-celtics-kyrie-irving-trade

I think that's the (big) difference. In a case like that, you could effectively just rescind the trade and immediately renegotiate a different deal on more favorable terms. If you can't start a new trade with different terms... that's when you're stuck.

[Old_Blue]

Hang on. Haven't we seen something similar happen before where the teams were permitted to renegotiate regarding additional compensation? That said, the Kyrie for IT deal wasn't a trade deadline deal.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/31/isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-cavaliers-celtics-kyrie-irving-trade

I think that's the (big) difference. In a case like that, you could effectively just rescind the trade and immediately renegotiate a different deal on more favorable terms. If you can't start a new trade with different terms... that's when you're stuck.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/gary-payton-ii-fails-physical-four-team-trade-in-jeopardy.html

"According to Charania and Slater, there have been behind-the-scenes discussions on Friday about possibly amending the trade."

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Cannot be amended

What I don't know is: if we (understandably) decide to rescind the trade, and it turns out Portland didn't properly disclose something like this, they likely get punished. Do they end up compensating us, Detroit, and Atlanta? Or just giving money to the league/losing picks/whatever?

Would be tough to conclusively prove. Easy to say it was told over the phone or any medium, and at that point punishing based on that premise is pretty tough

I suppose that's true, and *really* ugly. Even if GP2 confirmed that happened, I think your point is that Portland could say, "Uh, we told you that in the call last week." And then what happens? Gross.

[Samurai]

3 months means he wouldn’t even be available for the start of the playoffs. I don’t see how the warriors go through with this.

Actually I can still see the Warriors going ahead with the trade even if GP2 is out for the year. Reasons: 1) If this trade was largely about the Benjamins, how exactly does scrapping the trade resolve the team's luxury tax dilemma? 2) Even if GP2 were healthy, we most likely aren't winning a chip this year. In fact, our odds of winning is lower now than it was before the trade. Not because Wiseman is so much more impactful than GP2; it has to do with what other teams in our division did; adding KD is much more impactful than having a healthy GP2. 3) Barring injury, DDV will opt out after this year as he has proven to be more valuable than the $7M MLE max we can offer him. If our training staff believes GP2 will be healthy for the start of next season, he still gives us a backfill for the DDV role even if he doesn't play this season.

And the biggest reason by far: 4) Way beyond awkward to hang a bunch of 'Welcome back James' signs in the locker room with the name Gary crossed out and James scribbled in crayon next to it.

I thought the trade was billed as something to help for the now and the now can’t even suit up.

If you think this team should give up because of the additions then you should want to keep wiseman.

Again, how, exactly does keeping Wiseman address the first reason on the luxury tax? And if the goal is to win now, do we know for a fact that the team was already aware that the Suns had acquired KD and that the Lakers unloaded Westbrook before they had finalized the complexities of a 4-team trade? I remain unconvinced that the entire concept of two timelines was smashed by this trade. We are hearing that the OG trade idea was squashed because the Raptors insisted on including Kuminga plus picks, which the Dubs did not want to do. If you only wanted to win now, OG is as or more impactful right now than JK and who cares about future picks if your focus is to win now. I would venture that they view JK and the picks as key elements for a second timeline. So no I do not think you can just isolate one single aspect and make a conclusion on just that one aspect while ignoring context and the bigger picture.

[CDM_Stats]

https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-reunion-with-gary-payton-ii-reportedly-in-jeopardy-after-blazers-g-fails-physical-001257469.html

"However, Charania reports that Payton had been receiving pain-killing Toradol shots as the Blazers' training staff pushed him to play through the pain, something the Warriors were not told during the negotiation process. If true, you can see why the Warriors might want to wash their hands of the deal."

Damn, GSW got screwed then. Warriors probably had at least 1 or 2 more trade paths to get rid of Wiseman before going with GPII. Could have sent Wiseman somewhere else if there was transparency about this injury.

Putting a curse on the Blazers organization. Dame you don't owe these snakes anything get out of there

the whole org?