Who starts?

[Onus]

Is Wiggins a guard?
I want better 3 point shooting from guards not that Wiggins is bad 3 point shooter.
On defense Wiggins had a speed advantage at small forward but at guard Wiggins loses his speed advantage but gains a size advantage.

The size advantage is huge for him and JK. They can finish over the top and through most smaller guys. They both will be beasts in transition.

[mos_def]

Is Wiggins a guard?
I want better 3 point shooting from guards not that Wiggins is bad 3 point shooter.
On defense Wiggins had a speed advantage at small forward but at guard Wiggins loses his speed advantage but gains a size advantage.

The size advantage is huge for him and JK. They can finish over the top and through most smaller guys. They both will be beasts in transition.

it was against Portland, but the 'big' lineup had a 58% rebound rate, which is good in itself but even better thinking Portland has two seven footers. tho that lineup efficiency was down, the tea, as a whole had a 96% defenesive rating, which was the best in the NBA. I know it was against Portland but still. If we are not tall in the interior then we have to be taller on the wing to stop entry

[CDM_Stats]

the "tall" lineup, which has historically and consistently been our worst one, performed terribly against one of the worst teams in the league and its still being advocated as a success. I dont know what it would take for folks just to admit that its not what this team is built to do and is not good at it... I really hope this isnt the new iteration of asking for plodding and/or terrible Cs like Ayton, Jonas or Vuc. Even the Tacko Fall guy eventually stopped

[Nvnervous45]

Yep. Great analysis. Like it or not this team lives and dies in transition. In our championship seasons we were always among the top 5 in that category. That's why we need guys that can run the floor well and we have an abundance of them now. Last year our personnel with klay, Looney, and Paul just didn't fit the mold anymore.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Didn't realize BP younger than JK

Add the best qualities of Podz to Kuminga and you would have one hell of a player.
Podz rebounding beast mind in Kuminga’s body might be a top 5 rebounder in the NBA.
Podz court vision, passing and basketball IQ would help Kuminga.

I do not trust any of Podz, Kuminga, Wiggins, or Moody to hit Clutch 3s with time running out in crunch time.
Add the best of Podz, Kuminga,Wiggins, Moody, and Damion Lee together and you probably get a player better than Doncic.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

the "tall" lineup, which has historically and consistently been our worst one, performed terribly against one of the worst teams in the league and its still being advocated as a success. I dont know what it would take for folks just to admit that its not what this team is built to do and is not good at it... I really hope this isnt the new iteration of asking for plodding and/or terrible Cs like Ayton, Jonas or Vuc. Even the Tacko Fall guy eventually stopped

I still would like the option of going huge sitting on the bench as my 3rd string center.
Not saying I want to play big stiffs but I want a playable big stiff sitting on my bench.
A more experienced Quinten Post with 30 pounds of added muscle would be big enough for me.

If Tacko Fall had Trayce’s mobility the Warriors could not afford him.
Any huge guy that can move his feet would cost the Warriors more than they can afford.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I think its
Curry
Wiggins
Kuminga
Draymond
Jackson-Davis

That's absolutely atrocious spacing and lacks a reliable ballhandler next to Steph. I really hope that's not the line-up.

Podz, Melton and Anderson can handle the ball and Hield handles the ball better than Klay did. Wiggins handles the ball better than Klay did. Klay’s poor ball handling did not hurt us much during the dynasty.

Have you noticed that Draymond has been a top 20 NBA half court ball handler for the past 9 years?

Wiggins should be able to push the ball in the fast break.
Curry is a good ball handler.

I agree with you about spacing unless one of Wiggins or Kuminga improves their 3 point shooting.
You were wrong about ball handling. We only needed Podz ball handling next to Curry last year when Draymond was not on the floor.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Minutes battles:

Melton vs GPII vs Moody
Podz vs Buddy vs Moody
Moody vs Wiggins vs Kuminga
TJD vs Looney

Our board has overrated Moody for years and you have been his biggest fan.
Moody may have finally become almost as good as you thought he was.
Who is the real Moody for this year, preseason 2025 Moody or average Moody from last year?

Average Moody from last year would not do well in these minutes battles because Kerr understood reality about Moody much better than the Moody backers on our board did.

Minutes battles:

Defensive guard
Wiggins vs Melton vs GPII vs Moody

Ball handling guard
Podz vs Melton

3 point shooter guard
Buddy vs Lindy Waters vs Moody

All around player
Wiggins vs Moody

Small forward
Wiggins vs Kuminga vs Moody.

Big
TJD vs Looney

Average last year Moody is not the best Warrior at any category so Moody needs his offseason improvement to be real and sustainable.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Why can't Kerr construct a normal NBA lineup?

Curry and Draymond are not normal players. Curry is an off ball point guard. Draymond is a point power forward who plays out position at center. Anderson is another point power forward.

Rookie Quinten Post is our only full size center.
Wiggins got distracted by his dad’s problems which should stop now that his dad is dead.
Payton is too good not to play but Payton is not a point guard or a shooting guard.
Kuminga does not rebound well and has a low basketball IQ.
Buddy would start but he is not fast enough to start.

How do you build a normal team around those guys?
Don’t blame Kerr. The GMs did not give Kerr a normal team.

Kerr the player won championships on abnormal teams
Kerr Warriors head coach won 4 championships with abnormal teams.

What is the most normal team to win a championship? I am not sure that normal teams win championships.

[Onus]

Is Wiggins a guard?
I want better 3 point shooting from guards not that Wiggins is bad 3 point shooter.
On defense Wiggins had a speed advantage at small forward but at guard Wiggins loses his speed advantage but gains a size advantage.

The size advantage is huge for him and JK. They can finish over the top and through most smaller guys. They both will be beasts in transition.

it was against Portland, but the 'big' lineup had a 58% rebound rate, which is good in itself but even better thinking Portland has two seven footers. tho that lineup efficiency was down, the tea, as a whole had a 96% defenesive rating, which was the best in the NBA. I know it was against Portland but still. If we are not tall in the interior then we have to be taller on the wing to stop entry

To be clear I’m not advocating for the big lineup especially not without a shooting big but I want to see if they can defend. Jk was a mess defensively though

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

The size advantage is huge for him and JK. They can finish over the top and through most smaller guys. They both will be beasts in transition.

it was against Portland, but the 'big' lineup had a 58% rebound rate, which is good in itself but even better thinking Portland has two seven footers. tho that lineup efficiency was down, the tea, as a whole had a 96% defenesive rating, which was the best in the NBA. I know it was against Portland but still. If we are not tall in the interior then we have to be taller on the wing to stop entry

To be clear I’m not advocating for the big lineup especially not without a shooting big but I want to see if they can defend. Jk was a mess defensively though

I want to give Kuminga starter minutes, but I do not want to play him with the starters. Start Kuminga to not hurt his pride but sub in somebody for Kuminga after 1 minute to separate Kuminga from Curry and Draymond.

Kuminga’s Basketball is too low to rotate properly to work with Draymond the way Klay, Wiggins and Iguodala worked with Draymond so Kuminga wastes Draymond’s defense.

Kuminga’s basketball IQ is too low to benefit much from what Curry does on offense.. Kuminga does not need a passer as good as Draymond. When curry is off the floor, the team needs Kuminga as a scorer.

[EvanZ]

Minutes battles:

Melton vs GPII vs Moody
Podz vs Buddy vs Moody
Moody vs Wiggins vs Kuminga
TJD vs Looney

Our board has overrated Moody for years and you have been his biggest fan.
Moody may have finally become almost as good as you thought he was.
Who is the real Moody for this year, preseason 2025 Moody or average Moody from last year?

Average Moody from last year would not do well in these minutes battles because Kerr understood reality about Moody much better than the Moody backers on our board did.

Minutes battles:

Defensive guard
Wiggins vs Melton vs GPII vs Moody

Ball handling guard
Podz vs Melton

3 point shooter guard
Buddy vs Lindy Waters vs Moody

All around player
Wiggins vs Moody

Small forward
Wiggins vs Kuminga vs Moody.

Big
TJD vs Looney

Average last year Moody is not the best Warrior at any category so Moody needs his offseason improvement to be real and sustainable.

I don't agree with the "conventional wisdom" and "media narratives" that Moody needs to be the best in something to get minutes. There's a lot of value in having wing sized players that can do a lot of things at the same time, even if they are not elite in any one thing. Jack of all trades, master of none is probably bad for point guards and centers, but not for wings.

Good things will happen if we play Melton/Wiggins/Moody at the same time. I don't know if we've done that yet for even a minute. But it's so obvious to me.

[HiRez]

I want to give Kuminga starter minutes, but I do not want to play him with the starters. Start Kuminga to not hurt his pride but sub in somebody for Kuminga after 1 minute to separate Kuminga from Curry and Draymond.

I don't really care whether he starts or not, and certainly not just for ego purposes (we did that with Klay and look what happened). But I do want to see him play. A lot. Like 30 minutes per game. And not yanked for a few early mistakes, because he tends to have slow starts and monster games if given a chance. That being said, if he's really bad and not making corrections in say the second or early 3rd quarters, there are a lot of other competent players on this bench. The last few years have shown that every game matters in terms of making (or avoiding) the play-in tournament. #6 seed should be the minimum goal, whatever it takes.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

All around players vs specialists.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I want to give Kuminga starter minutes, but I do not want to play him with the starters. Start Kuminga to not hurt his pride but sub in somebody for Kuminga after 1 minute to separate Kuminga from Curry and Draymond.

I don't really care whether he starts or not, and certainly not just for ego purposes (we did that with Klay and look what happened). But I do want to see him play. A lot. Like 30 minutes per game. And not yanked for a few early mistakes, because he tends to have slow starts and monster games if given a chance. That being said, if he's really bad and not making corrections in say the second or early 3rd quarters, there are a lot of other competent players on this bench. The last few years have shown that every game matters in terms of making (or avoiding) the play-in tournament. #6 seed should be the minimum goal, whatever it takes.

Our first half season will be so good that we will not even be in the discussion for play-in tournament. We will be getting a top five seed and soon I will bet that bet if that top 5 seed bet is available for me to bet. I must make that bet before everybody else figures out the Warriors are good.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Minutes battles:

Melton vs GPII vs Moody
Podz vs Buddy vs Moody
Moody vs Wiggins vs Kuminga
TJD vs Looney

Our board has overrated Moody for years and you have been his biggest fan.
Moody may have finally become almost as good as you thought he was.
Who is the real Moody for this year, preseason 2025 Moody or average Moody from last year?

Average Moody from last year would not do well in these minutes battles because Kerr understood reality about Moody much better than the Moody backers on our board did.

Minutes battles:

Defensive guard
Wiggins vs Melton vs GPII vs Moody

Ball handling guard
Podz vs Melton

3 point shooter guard
Buddy vs Lindy Waters vs Moody

All around player
Wiggins vs Moody

Small forward
Wiggins vs Kuminga vs Moody.

Big
TJD vs Looney

Average last year Moody is not the best Warrior at any category so Moody needs his offseason improvement to be real and sustainable.

I don't agree with the "conventional wisdom" and "media narratives" that Moody needs to be the best in something to get minutes. There's a lot of value in having wing sized players that can do a lot of things at the same time, even if they are not elite in any one thing. Jack of all trades, master of none is probably bad for point guards and centers, but not for wings.

Good things will happen if we play Melton/Wiggins/Moody at the same time. I don't know if we've done that yet for even a minute. But it's so obvious to me.

Moody is not better anything or second best at anything. The unfocused, unenergetic versions of Moody from the poorer half of his games probably were not better than an average Lindy Waters game. Moody needs to stay sharp. If Moody starts playing sleepwalking basketball in January then bench him.

Kawaii bad games are still good but Moodys bad games I don’t deserve minutes.

[EvanZ]

Our board has overrated Moody for years and you have been his biggest fan.
Moody may have finally become almost as good as you thought he was.
Who is the real Moody for this year, preseason 2025 Moody or average Moody from last year?

Average Moody from last year would not do well in these minutes battles because Kerr understood reality about Moody much better than the Moody backers on our board did.

Minutes battles:

Defensive guard
Wiggins vs Melton vs GPII vs Moody

Ball handling guard
Podz vs Melton

3 point shooter guard
Buddy vs Lindy Waters vs Moody

All around player
Wiggins vs Moody

Small forward
Wiggins vs Kuminga vs Moody.

Big
TJD vs Looney

Average last year Moody is not the best Warrior at any category so Moody needs his offseason improvement to be real and sustainable.

I don't agree with the "conventional wisdom" and "media narratives" that Moody needs to be the best in something to get minutes. There's a lot of value in having wing sized players that can do a lot of things at the same time, even if they are not elite in any one thing. Jack of all trades, master of none is probably bad for point guards and centers, but not for wings.

Good things will happen if we play Melton/Wiggins/Moody at the same time. I don't know if we've done that yet for even a minute. But it's so obvious to me.

Moody is not better anything or second best at anything. The unfocused, unenergetic versions of Moody from the poorer half of his games probably were not better than an average Lindy Waters game. Moody needs to stay sharp. If Moody starts playing sleepwalking basketball in January then bench him.

Kawaii bad games are still good but Moodys bad games I don’t deserve minutes.

Gee perhaps it would make more sense to compare the average Moody game to the average Lindy Waters game lol

[WarriorGM]

Kuminga wants Kuminga to succeed. The Warriors want Kuminga to succeed.

So why not put out the best lineup for Kuminga to succeed?

What is the lineup that theoretically best complements Kuminga and works to his strengths and covers his weaknesses? Put that out there.

Doesn't have to be a starting lineup, indeed it probably shouldn't be. But if it is clear the team is trying to give him the best opportunity to look good he shouldn't be complaining. If that Kuminga lineup cannot dominate against the opposing team's non-starters that's telling you something.

[DonaldSanders]

Kuminga wants Kuminga to succeed. The Warriors want Kuminga to succeed.

So why not put out the best lineup for Kuminga to succeed?

What is the lineup that theoretically best complements Kuminga and works to his strengths and covers his weaknesses? Put that out there.

Doesn't have to be a starting lineup, indeed it probably shouldn't be. But if it is clear the team is trying to give him the best opportunity to look good he shouldn't be complaining. If that Kuminga lineup cannot dominate against the opposing team's non-starters that's telling you something.

His best fit with us is when we go small and play with no traditional center, giving him more driving room & an additional shooter that draws attention. This is why I've said he should come off the bench and then could potentially close with the Dray at C smallball unit.

[WarriorGM]

Kuminga wants Kuminga to succeed. The Warriors want Kuminga to succeed.

So why not put out the best lineup for Kuminga to succeed?

What is the lineup that theoretically best complements Kuminga and works to his strengths and covers his weaknesses? Put that out there.

Doesn't have to be a starting lineup, indeed it probably shouldn't be. But if it is clear the team is trying to give him the best opportunity to look good he shouldn't be complaining. If that Kuminga lineup cannot dominate against the opposing team's non-starters that's telling you something.

His best fit with us is when we go small and play with no traditional center, giving him more driving room & an additional shooter that draws attention. This is why I've said he should come off the bench and then could potentially close with the Dray at C smallball unit.

That's great then. If he does start it should be pretty clear what the lineup is going to look like. Actually there is probably already a lot of data from previous years.

But the deal with Kuminga is that he is possibly an heir apparent once Steph and Draymond move on. He needs to show he can be great without them. Thus a secondary lineup that caters to Kuminga's strengths and weaknesses that doesn't have Steph and Draymond on it. Is he a SF in that secondary lineup? All the better. He gets to practice that before seeing if he can do it with Steph and Draymond.

The priority for the team is to win so usually finding lineups that have chemistry with Steph I would say is the priority. But figuring out what to do with Kuminga is probably important enough that playing lineups designed for him and seeing how they perform is the way to go with Kuminga. That is a separate priority that probably requires a different approach from just putting out the best lineup out there for the team or figuring out who has chemistry with Steph.