2024-25 NBA Draft Talk

[whatisacenter]

The only way I would have been glad if they drafted Melo was if they traded him.

Overpaid, empty calories, no defense, chucker.

So a better Jordan Poole? Got it.

yeah the same dweebs who'll say stuff like that about lamelo get butthurt if you criticize kuminga lol

90ish% of this board criticize JK daily but go ahead and feel your feels.

Lamelo hardly plays and when he does it hurts my eyes.

[bay2hk]

So a better Jordan Poole? Got it.

yeah the same dweebs who'll say stuff like that about lamelo get butthurt if you criticize kuminga lol

90ish% of this board criticize JK daily but go ahead and feel your feels.

Lamelo hardly plays and when he does it hurts my eyes.

No offense but lamelo plays more than wiseman. What’s done is done. Let’s hope warriors front office don’t offer a massive contract to JK this offseason. Warriors should have learned from the Poole contract, and JK is just not a starter on a contender team. Prob will never be due to his low bbiq and one dimensional chunker / ball hog mentality.

[whatisacenter]

It looks like the Warriors pick from the Heat will be 38 or 39th in the draft....a few interesting players around there but so far I like Markovic, Condon, and Byrd.

[Jester_]

So a better Jordan Poole? Got it.

yeah the same dweebs who'll say stuff like that about lamelo get butthurt if you criticize kuminga lol

90ish% of this board criticize JK daily but go ahead and feel your feels.

Lamelo hardly plays and when he does it hurts my eyes.

funny how the "young player hasn't had consistency" argument doesn't apply to lamello

he's played 10 more games than kumbuckets this year but go off

[Onus]

It looks like the Warriors pick from the Heat will be 38 or 39th in the draft....a few interesting players around there but so far I like Markovic, Condon, and Byrd.

There's really a lot of players to like.

Stirtz
Proctor
Clifford
Byrd
Kobe
Bryant
Thierro
Condon
Markovic
Beringer
Toppin
Yaxel
Amari

Hell I could see Kalkbrenner being a matchup center, especially if we play a slower pace with Jimmy.

There's really guards/wings/bigs a lot of choices to like. A few of them are projects but a lot of plug and play once they get accustomed to the NBA.

[EvanZ]

We really have to stop drafting 2nd round centers and take shots at big wings. We see year after year how much more valuable a big wing is than a rando center. You see guys like Camara (who I liked) add so much value when they hit in a way very very few centers ever do taken that late.

[Onus]

We really have to stop drafting 2nd round centers and take shots at big wings. We see year after year how much more valuable a big wing is than a rando center. You see guys like Camara (who I liked) add so much value when they hit in a way very very few centers ever do taken that late.

I actually said I would've traded JK for Camara during that draft.

It's funny we are probably deepest at wing. Jimmy, Dray, Moody, JK, Gui, GP2. The fact that we are talking about needing another wing really just goes to show how bad we missed in 2021.

We have 3 guards - Curry/Podz/Buddy

we have 3 centers - Dray/Post/Looney (TJD was so bad this year I'm not penciling him into the rotation)

GP2 and Looney may be gone next year. So 5 wings, 3 guards and 2 centers in the rotation next year.

Our best 5 is going to include Curry/Jimmy/Green and still no one has really taken that 4th/5th spot, but these players have to be able to shoot. I could see Proctor, Clifford, Bryant, Markovic fit in that lineup. Maybe even Karaban, but I've kind of soured on his defense his help defense is kind of non existent but I can see him being able space the floor, move without the ball, switch and not be a complete negative on that end.

Stirtz though is really intriguing as he can give us another shot creator when Jimmy and Steph sit, wish he shot a higher volume of 3s, but maybe we wouldn't look like a bottom tier lottery team when one of those guys takes a seat.

But one of our issues is that Jimmy and Dray can't shoot and so teams are just going to sag off them giving them shots, so getting a back up center so you can split them up and not have to rely on them every single matchup could be beneficial as well. Since neither is really big enough to be a vertical threat and just give you a different look. Everyone is so bad at making layups because we don't have any type of threat down there and so teams are able to just rotate and help at the rim. Like TJD should be that in theory but he can't make a layup.

[EvanZ]

We really have to stop drafting 2nd round centers and take shots at big wings. We see year after year how much more valuable a big wing is than a rando center. You see guys like Camara (who I liked) add so much value when they hit in a way very very few centers ever do taken that late.

I actually said I would've traded JK for Camara during that draft.

It's funny we are probably deepest at wing. Jimmy, Dray, Moody, JK, Gui, GP2. The fact that we are talking about needing another wing really just goes to show how bad we missed in 2021.

My definition of wing is they have to shoot. By that definition, not so many.

[wco81]

Team needs shooting and scoring but they've gone for the higher ceiling athletic guys, hoping that their shooting becomes consistent.

Moody's shot is good but it has to be set up for him, that is he has to get open catch and shoot opportunities. He's not effective at attacking closeouts or creating shots for himself at the end of shot clock.

We've been going through these shooting draughts so shooting has to be a priority, instead of emphasizing athletic traits.

[Onus]

We really have to stop drafting 2nd round centers and take shots at big wings. We see year after year how much more valuable a big wing is than a rando center. You see guys like Camara (who I liked) add so much value when they hit in a way very very few centers ever do taken that late.

I actually said I would've traded JK for Camara during that draft.

It's funny we are probably deepest at wing. Jimmy, Dray, Moody, JK, Gui, GP2. The fact that we are talking about needing another wing really just goes to show how bad we missed in 2021.

My definition of wing is they have to shoot. By that definition, not so many.

So we have no wings

[EvanZ]

I actually said I would've traded JK for Camara during that draft.

It's funny we are probably deepest at wing. Jimmy, Dray, Moody, JK, Gui, GP2. The fact that we are talking about needing another wing really just goes to show how bad we missed in 2021.

My definition of wing is they have to shoot. By that definition, not so many.

So we have no wings

That's closer to the truth for sure.

[TB]

Clayton Jr tourney run isn’t helping my plan to lock him in as a backup PG (which means 3rd/4th string since Jimmy/Podz cover most of it) for cheap next year. He’s probably gonna get snagged in the 1st round now.

But to me he's the perfect, easy, solution to a major hole on our roster. When Steph is out we basically just have any one of Jimmy, Podz, Moody, Kuminga, etc etc set up the offense. And we really haven’t used Spencer much at all since Jimmy got here. But next year we are going to need someone cheap to cover PG duties to rest these guys, and Clayton would be absolutely perfect. I still think my comp for him is Payton Pritchard… his shot isnt quite as good but he at times has Lillard like explosiveness that Pritchard doesnt have (but obviously not as good as dame).

My hope is we can pull a Trayce situation where we can get tricky with our agent work and force him to fall to our spot by giving him a deal/role that he covets.

[Onus]

Clayton Jr tourney run isn’t helping my plan to lock him in as a backup PG (which means 3rd/4th string since Jimmy/Podz cover most of it) for cheap next year. He’s probably gonna get snagged in the 1st round now.

But to me he's the perfect, easy, solution to a major hole on our roster. When Steph is out we basically just have any one of Jimmy, Podz, Moody, Kuminga, etc etc set up the offense. And we really haven’t used Spencer much at all since Jimmy got here. But next year we are going to need someone cheap to cover PG duties to rest these guys, and Clayton would be absolutely perfect. I still think my comp for him is Payton Pritchard… his shot isnt quite as good but he at times has Lillard like explosiveness that Pritchard doesnt have (but obviously not as good as dame).

My hope is we can pull a Trayce situation where we can get tricky with our agent work and force him to fall to our spot by giving him a deal/role that he covets.

I could see how Clayton could help next year, but 3rd string pg is a hard sell to tank your stock.

[TB]

Clayton Jr tourney run isn’t helping my plan to lock him in as a backup PG (which means 3rd/4th string since Jimmy/Podz cover most of it) for cheap next year. He’s probably gonna get snagged in the 1st round now.

But to me he's the perfect, easy, solution to a major hole on our roster. When Steph is out we basically just have any one of Jimmy, Podz, Moody, Kuminga, etc etc set up the offense. And we really haven’t used Spencer much at all since Jimmy got here. But next year we are going to need someone cheap to cover PG duties to rest these guys, and Clayton would be absolutely perfect. I still think my comp for him is Payton Pritchard… his shot isnt quite as good but he at times has Lillard like explosiveness that Pritchard doesnt have (but obviously not as good as dame).

My hope is we can pull a Trayce situation where we can get tricky with our agent work and force him to fall to our spot by giving him a deal/role that he covets.

I could see how Clayton could help next year, but 3rd string pg is a hard sell to tank your stock.

lol true. But its not realllllly 3rd string. I think its clear Steph/Podz will be starting backcourt next year. And Jimmy will obviously be starting. So neither Jimmy or Podz should be the backup PG, they just are right now because we dont have anyone so we are pushing all of their minutes well into the 30s.

The “sell” to Clayton is you jump right into a rotation spot as backup PG, in a situation where the current PG:
- is probably the best person to learn from
- needs a lot of rest + injury concerns
- is not playing many more years (I mean if Dubs fail early in playoffs this year and next I wouldnt be surprised if Steph retires)

Now this really is only the gameplan if he stays lingering in the late 1st/early 2nd range. If he climbs higher than that he’s obviously taking the guaranteed money and 1st round contract. The Trayce scenario occured when he started slipping into early 2nd and teams wanted a 2way or shorter contract. He didn’t slip because teams didn’t want him, it had alot to do with his agent (Dun’s brother) trying to help get him to the Warriors and the better contract.

[wco81]

Teams can get lucky and see a player level up.

Right now, Pippen Jr. is a very good backup. I don't even know if he was drafted but the Lakers didn't think much of him and look what he's doing in Memphis.

The main skill that turned him into an effective player is that he's shooting around 40% from 3.

That's what players have to be able to do to get minutes these days, unless they're like stud defensive players who can also finish well like GP2.


I was flipping channels and I saw a 3-point contest. The winner was Tyler McGhie, who shot 38.6% for his career at UC San Diego. He's listed at 6-5 195 but he doesn't look that strong, looks like a skinny white guy, who's probably at least 23 since he finished his senior year.

I don't know if this guy can make it in the league. Maybe his shot release isn't quick enough or he'd be too much of a defensive liability, whether he can do things like escape dribble or he's used to moving without the ball.

Obviously NBA players need to have other skills than shooting but it's becoming more and more the key still that players have to have. Sure the Thompson twins can't shoot but they're elite athletes and they can impact the game other ways as well as still score on dunks while they develop their shooting and shot creation skills.

[Onus]

Clayton Jr tourney run isn’t helping my plan to lock him in as a backup PG (which means 3rd/4th string since Jimmy/Podz cover most of it) for cheap next year. He’s probably gonna get snagged in the 1st round now.

But to me he's the perfect, easy, solution to a major hole on our roster. When Steph is out we basically just have any one of Jimmy, Podz, Moody, Kuminga, etc etc set up the offense. And we really haven’t used Spencer much at all since Jimmy got here. But next year we are going to need someone cheap to cover PG duties to rest these guys, and Clayton would be absolutely perfect. I still think my comp for him is Payton Pritchard… his shot isnt quite as good but he at times has Lillard like explosiveness that Pritchard doesnt have (but obviously not as good as dame).

My hope is we can pull a Trayce situation where we can get tricky with our agent work and force him to fall to our spot by giving him a deal/role that he covets.

I could see how Clayton could help next year, but 3rd string pg is a hard sell to tank your stock.

lol true. But its not realllllly 3rd string. I think its clear Steph/Podz will be starting backcourt next year. And Jimmy will obviously be starting. So neither Jimmy or Podz should be the backup PG, they just are right now because we dont have anyone so we are pushing all of their minutes well into the 30s.

The “sell” to Clayton is you jump right into a rotation spot as backup PG, in a situation where the current PG:
- is probably the best person to learn from
- needs a lot of rest + injury concerns
- is not playing many more years (I mean if Dubs fail early in playoffs this year and next I wouldnt be surprised if Steph retires)

Now this really is only the gameplan if he stays lingering in the late 1st/early 2nd range. If he climbs higher than that he’s obviously taking the guaranteed money and 1st round contract. The Trayce scenario occured when he started slipping into early 2nd and teams wanted a 2way or shorter contract. He didn’t slip because teams didn’t want him, it had alot to do with his agent (Dun’s brother) trying to help get him to the Warriors and the better contract.

Podz is probably going to get 32+ mpg moving forward. Steph is going to get 30. Buddy probably at least 10. That's 72 minutes out of the 96 minutes at guard? There are minutes there. Clayton does have the range and shooting to somewhat run some of the stuff Steph does. But is that the best use of that draft pick? You wouldn't want Condon, Markovic, Bryant, Clifford, or Byrd instead?

I really do feel like we should be able to get a good player with the Heat's 2nd. There's a lot of players to like.

I'd really like to get Proctor or Kobe Johnson as a udfa.

[TB]

I could see how Clayton could help next year, but 3rd string pg is a hard sell to tank your stock.

lol true. But its not realllllly 3rd string. I think its clear Steph/Podz will be starting backcourt next year. And Jimmy will obviously be starting. So neither Jimmy or Podz should be the backup PG, they just are right now because we dont have anyone so we are pushing all of their minutes well into the 30s.

The “sell” to Clayton is you jump right into a rotation spot as backup PG, in a situation where the current PG:
- is probably the best person to learn from
- needs a lot of rest + injury concerns
- is not playing many more years (I mean if Dubs fail early in playoffs this year and next I wouldnt be surprised if Steph retires)

Now this really is only the gameplan if he stays lingering in the late 1st/early 2nd range. If he climbs higher than that he’s obviously taking the guaranteed money and 1st round contract. The Trayce scenario occured when he started slipping into early 2nd and teams wanted a 2way or shorter contract. He didn’t slip because teams didn’t want him, it had alot to do with his agent (Dun’s brother) trying to help get him to the Warriors and the better contract.

Podz is probably going to get 32+ mpg moving forward. Steph is going to get 30. Buddy probably at least 10. That's 72 minutes out of the 96 minutes at guard? There are minutes there. Clayton does have the range and shooting to somewhat run some of the stuff Steph does. But is that the best use of that draft pick? You wouldn't want Condon, Markovic, Bryant, Clifford, or Byrd instead?

I really do feel like we should be able to get a good player with the Heat's 2nd. There's a lot of players to like.

I'd really like to get Proctor or Kobe Johnson as a udfa.

Definitely other guys I like too. But i’d take Clayton over everyone mentioned there other than Clifford and maybe Condon. Those two (with Sorber just ahead of them) are players I’d be targeting had we still had the 1st rounder. I see Clayton as more of the guy I want with our 2nd round pick but i’m worried he will be gone. I can’t imagine Clifford/Condon are there for our pick, but if they are (or Clayton) I will be THRILLED.

Still like Byrd, Bogo, Tugler and Proctor as well, just not as much as Clayton in the 2nd round.

[EvanZ]

Yaxel is in the portal so looks like he's not going to be in the draft.

[EvanZ]

Yaxel is in the portal so looks like he's not going to be in the draft.

Apparently he's transferring to Michigan.

[Onus]

lol true. But its not realllllly 3rd string. I think its clear Steph/Podz will be starting backcourt next year. And Jimmy will obviously be starting. So neither Jimmy or Podz should be the backup PG, they just are right now because we dont have anyone so we are pushing all of their minutes well into the 30s.

The “sell” to Clayton is you jump right into a rotation spot as backup PG, in a situation where the current PG:
- is probably the best person to learn from
- needs a lot of rest + injury concerns
- is not playing many more years (I mean if Dubs fail early in playoffs this year and next I wouldnt be surprised if Steph retires)

Now this really is only the gameplan if he stays lingering in the late 1st/early 2nd range. If he climbs higher than that he’s obviously taking the guaranteed money and 1st round contract. The Trayce scenario occured when he started slipping into early 2nd and teams wanted a 2way or shorter contract. He didn’t slip because teams didn’t want him, it had alot to do with his agent (Dun’s brother) trying to help get him to the Warriors and the better contract.

Podz is probably going to get 32+ mpg moving forward. Steph is going to get 30. Buddy probably at least 10. That's 72 minutes out of the 96 minutes at guard? There are minutes there. Clayton does have the range and shooting to somewhat run some of the stuff Steph does. But is that the best use of that draft pick? You wouldn't want Condon, Markovic, Bryant, Clifford, or Byrd instead?

I really do feel like we should be able to get a good player with the Heat's 2nd. There's a lot of players to like.

I'd really like to get Proctor or Kobe Johnson as a udfa.

Definitely other guys I like too. But i’d take Clayton over everyone mentioned there other than Clifford and maybe Condon. Those two (with Sorber just ahead of them) are players I’d be targeting had we still had the 1st rounder. I see Clayton as more of the guy I want with our 2nd round pick but i’m worried he will be gone. I can’t imagine Clifford/Condon are there for our pick, but if they are (or Clayton) I will be THRILLED.

Still like Byrd, Bogo, Tugler and Proctor as well, just not as much as Clayton in the 2nd round.

Clayton is looking really good.