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[Old_Blue]

He’s an elite 6’9” shooter who isn’t terrible on defense. He’s added to his game so that he’s not just a shooter, can put the ball on the floor and attack close outs. What’s there not to get?

First off, NO, Cam Johnson is not an elite anything. Dude had his first 1,000 point season (1,070 points) during his age 29 season...while playing for a team that lost 68% of its games. Second, the man is mediocre (at best) on defense...as suggested by your own ringing endorsement of he "isn't terrible on defense." So, please, stop with the nonsense.

Go ahead and name a better shooter that is 6’9” or taller.

Trey Murphy
Lauri markannen
KAT

That’s basically the list. How is that not elite?

Um, no, that is NOT "basically the list" of big men who can shoot. Did you simply forget about KD, Michael Porter and a quickly rising up the list Wemby? All of whom (unlike Cam Johnson) actually are 6'9" or taller. Seriously, at this point, it appears that you're willing to twist (and omit) facts to justify pursuing mediocrity.

[vvoland]

First off, NO, Cam Johnson is not an elite anything. Dude had his first 1,000 point season (1,070 points) during his age 29 season...while playing for a team that lost 68% of its games. Second, the man is mediocre (at best) on defense...as suggested by your own ringing endorsement of he "isn't terrible on defense." So, please, stop with the nonsense.

Go ahead and name a better shooter that is 6’9” or taller.

Trey Murphy
Lauri markannen
KAT

That’s basically the list. How is that not elite?

Um, no, that is NOT "basically the list" of big men who can shoot. Did you simply forget about KD, Michael Porter and a quickly rising up the list Wemby? All of whom (unlike Cam Johnson) actually are 6'9" or taller. Seriously, at this point, it appears that you're willing to twist (and omit) facts to justify pursuing mediocrity.

I've seen Miles Turner shoot in the playoffs, in big moments, so I'll take him over cam as well. If we're saying cam is quote unquote 6'9", I'll also take Tatum and Paul George, neither of whom are smaller than cam, regardless of what the listed height.

Obviously there's jokic and embiid, as well. Cam would essentially be playing 2, so his height would probably be more of a liability. I'd rather try to get Melton back for the TPMLE than move assets for cam to be our shooting guard. Especially if Kerr let's go of this whole "JK can't play with Jimmy" thing.

[wco81]

Naz Reid is shooting 53/50 in these playoffs. 47.6/41.4 in 29 playoffs games for his career.

He’s got a $15 million player option so he’s probably going to get a bigger contract.

[Onus]

First off, NO, Cam Johnson is not an elite anything. Dude had his first 1,000 point season (1,070 points) during his age 29 season...while playing for a team that lost 68% of its games. Second, the man is mediocre (at best) on defense...as suggested by your own ringing endorsement of he "isn't terrible on defense." So, please, stop with the nonsense.

Go ahead and name a better shooter that is 6’9” or taller.

Trey Murphy
Lauri markannen
KAT

That’s basically the list. How is that not elite?

Um, no, that is NOT "basically the list" of big men who can shoot. Did you simply forget about KD, Michael Porter and a quickly rising up the list Wemby? All of whom (unlike Cam Johnson) actually are 6'9" or taller. Seriously, at this point, it appears that you're willing to twist (and omit) facts to justify pursuing mediocrity.

Ok so 5 players. Yea that’s elite.

And really 5 is dubious since Trey and Lauri both had terrible shooting years.

And we're talking about a 3rd or 4th option here. Kat, Lauri, KD are all on max contracts. MPJ is a defensive air head, that is a real negative on defense. Trey is hurt more often than Cam is.

Steph>Jimmy>Cam>Buddy>Dray

The team desperately needs someone else that can hit outside shots since Jimmy and Dray don't want to shoot. Having 3 of the top 30 shooters on the floor to open the floor for them would do wonders. I mean yea I'd rather have OG or Wiggins, but they aren't available.

[Upperclass]

Steph's out for the playoffs. Not paying attention if its thought otherwise.

2025 playoffs:

OKC v Minn
OKC v Celts or Knicks
OKC

Next Season:
Only Steph, Jimmy, Post should return imo

[HiRez]

Next Season:
Only Steph, Jimmy, Post should return imo

That's where I'm at too, except 99% sure Draymond will be back anyway. Seems like he could take a dump on Lacob's desk or kick Kerr in the balls and still be in the team -- never seen anyone so protected.

But whether they have enough by trading most of the players to field a competitive team is unclear. Acquiring more 37 year olds is probably not going to help with that. It's crazy that basically all our guys who aren't Steph or Jimmy faded or came out shooting blanks at unprecedented levels all at once (except Kuminga in the small current sample).

One thing that will be interesting to watch is Lacob making a play for Giannis. Probably doesn't have enough trade chips but you know he's going to try. Seeing how bad the Warriors look without Steph and/or Jimmy may increase the value of all our future draft picks.

[whatisacenter]

what should happen next offseason. - trade Draymond

will that happen? - no

This roster should not go into next season with a 38yo and two 36yo but it will.

[SpreeS]

what should happen next offseason. - trade Draymond

will that happen? - no

This roster should not go into next season with a 38yo and two 36yo but it will.

They will trade Kuminga for one more role player, who won’t produce as expected…All 3 veterans will be gased out or injured in first PO rnd if they can get there at first…

[EvanZ]

At this point we're so close to the end game, might as well grin and bear it. They chose not to do a tear down/rebuild and instead after this run is over it will be a slow build that will take probably a decade to get back to prominence. Hopefully next year we get one more crack at a decent playoff run and better luck healthwise.

[vvoland]

At this point we're so close to the end game, might as well grin and bear it. They chose not to do a tear down/rebuild and instead after this run is over it will be a slow build that will take probably a decade to get back to prominence. Hopefully next year we get one more crack at a decent playoff run and better luck healthwise.

We're a tweaked hammy OR a broken ass away from having a real shot at making the finals (and the top of the east looks real vulnerable, all of a sudden). If Shai and JWill were both gimpy, would they be talking about "it'll take a decade to get back?" Are you really still mad they didn't tear it down? We were the best defense in the league after the jimmy trade and that's with a limited roster, no offseason, or training camp. "Grin and bear it" doesn't sound like fandom. I'd say what it does sound like but that's not printable material. Let's say we get melton back next year and either get a coach bought in on JK or we trade him for a cam johnson type. I'll take our chances more than most.

Seeing Jimmy and Steph get 2-4 week injuries in back to back series is heartbreaking. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're still only down 2-1 in this series with no Steph, Jimmy on one ass cheek, GP2 MIA, Podz, Post, Gui, and Moody with the ultra-yips, dray going insane (again), and only JK picking up the slack. We were one 50/50 call from winning game 3 ( the challenge that we lost). One more solid performance and we have a real shot to beat this squad, even without Steph (the 3 day break may do just enough for Jimmy to take over games 6 and 7).

[vvoland]

Go ahead and name a better shooter that is 6’9” or taller.

Trey Murphy
Lauri markannen
KAT

That’s basically the list. How is that not elite?

Um, no, that is NOT "basically the list" of big men who can shoot. Did you simply forget about KD, Michael Porter and a quickly rising up the list Wemby? All of whom (unlike Cam Johnson) actually are 6'9" or taller. Seriously, at this point, it appears that you're willing to twist (and omit) facts to justify pursuing mediocrity.

Ok so 5 players. Yea that’s elite.

And really 5 is dubious since Trey and Lauri both had terrible shooting years.

And we're talking about a 3rd or 4th option here. Kat, Lauri, KD are all on max contracts. MPJ is a defensive air head, that is a real negative on defense. Trey is hurt more often than Cam is.

Steph>Jimmy>Cam>Buddy>Dray

The team desperately needs someone else that can hit outside shots since Jimmy and Dray don't want to shoot. Having 3 of the top 30 shooters on the floor to open the floor for them would do wonders. I mean yea I'd rather have OG or Wiggins, but they aren't available.

It's not 5, it's quite a few:

Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Porzingis
Wemby
KD
Lauri
MPJ
Trey
PG
Turner
Tatum
OG Anunoby
Kawhi
Batum

even Siakam has shot 39% from 3 the last two season in Indy. I really don't think Cam is the elite shooter you think he is. Yes, he shoots 39% on high volume. But he does so for a team that has no fans, no pressure, no meaningful games, etc. Look at what a playoff environment, not to mention intensity and defense, does to a shooter (ant, ddv, moody, etc.).

This is not me saying he's a bad shooter but, 'elite' is a stretch. The 6'9" is also a bit arbitrary since he's neither a defender, rebounder, nor athlete so he, effectively, plays like he's "the same size" as Klay or Buddy or Beasely or Ant. Again, if he was Trey Murphy, I'd agree and would try to move a bunch of lightly protected picks and enough salary to get Trey to take the JK spot. But Cam ain't it. Just like Lauri wouldn't have been. Just like Jimmy clearly is.

[Onus]

Um, no, that is NOT "basically the list" of big men who can shoot. Did you simply forget about KD, Michael Porter and a quickly rising up the list Wemby? All of whom (unlike Cam Johnson) actually are 6'9" or taller. Seriously, at this point, it appears that you're willing to twist (and omit) facts to justify pursuing mediocrity.

Ok so 5 players. Yea that’s elite.

And really 5 is dubious since Trey and Lauri both had terrible shooting years.

And we're talking about a 3rd or 4th option here. Kat, Lauri, KD are all on max contracts. MPJ is a defensive air head, that is a real negative on defense. Trey is hurt more often than Cam is.

Steph>Jimmy>Cam>Buddy>Dray

The team desperately needs someone else that can hit outside shots since Jimmy and Dray don't want to shoot. Having 3 of the top 30 shooters on the floor to open the floor for them would do wonders. I mean yea I'd rather have OG or Wiggins, but they aren't available.

It's not 5, it's quite a few:

Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Porzingis
Wemby
KD
Lauri
MPJ
Trey
PG
Turner
Tatum
OG Anunoby
Kawhi
Batum

even Siakam has shot 39% from 3 the last two season in Indy. I really don't think Cam is the elite shooter you think he is. Yes, he shoots 39% on high volume. But he does so for a team that has no fans, no pressure, no meaningful games, etc. Look at what a playoff environment, not to mention intensity and defense, does to a shooter (ant, ddv, moody, etc.).

This is not me saying he's a bad shooter but, 'elite' is a stretch. The 6'9" is also a bit arbitrary since he's neither a defender, rebounder, nor athlete so he, effectively, plays like he's "the same size" as Klay or Buddy or Beasely or Ant. Again, if he was Trey Murphy, I'd agree and would try to move a bunch of lightly protected picks and enough salary to get Trey to take the JK spot. But Cam ain't it. Just like Lauri wouldn't have been. Just like Jimmy clearly is.

So every player you list is on a contract above 35+ M/year except Wemby, Trey, Turner, Batum. You're making it seem like he's on a bargain contract putting him in this list of players.

Are you trying to argue that Cam would not make the shots that Podz/Moody are missing currently in the playoffs? He actually has been to the finals as a 6th man for phoenix. He avg 41% on 4 3s a game in the playoffs.

[vvoland]

Ok so 5 players. Yea that’s elite.

And really 5 is dubious since Trey and Lauri both had terrible shooting years.

And we're talking about a 3rd or 4th option here. Kat, Lauri, KD are all on max contracts. MPJ is a defensive air head, that is a real negative on defense. Trey is hurt more often than Cam is.

Steph>Jimmy>Cam>Buddy>Dray

The team desperately needs someone else that can hit outside shots since Jimmy and Dray don't want to shoot. Having 3 of the top 30 shooters on the floor to open the floor for them would do wonders. I mean yea I'd rather have OG or Wiggins, but they aren't available.

It's not 5, it's quite a few:

Jokic
Embiid
KAT
Porzingis
Wemby
KD
Lauri
MPJ
Trey
PG
Turner
Tatum
OG Anunoby
Kawhi
Batum

even Siakam has shot 39% from 3 the last two season in Indy. I really don't think Cam is the elite shooter you think he is. Yes, he shoots 39% on high volume. But he does so for a team that has no fans, no pressure, no meaningful games, etc. Look at what a playoff environment, not to mention intensity and defense, does to a shooter (ant, ddv, moody, etc.).

This is not me saying he's a bad shooter but, 'elite' is a stretch. The 6'9" is also a bit arbitrary since he's neither a defender, rebounder, nor athlete so he, effectively, plays like he's "the same size" as Klay or Buddy or Beasely or Ant. Again, if he was Trey Murphy, I'd agree and would try to move a bunch of lightly protected picks and enough salary to get Trey to take the JK spot. But Cam ain't it. Just like Lauri wouldn't have been. Just like Jimmy clearly is.

So every player you list is on a contract above 35+ M/year except Wemby, Trey, Turner, Batum. You're making it seem like he's on a bargain contract putting him in this list of players.

Are you trying to argue that Cam would not make the shots that Podz/Moody are missing currently in the playoffs? He actually has been to the finals as a 6th man for phoenix. He avg 41% on 4 3s a game in the playoffs.

He's not on that list of players, he's just a comparable shooter to those guys, ALL of whom do more on offense and defense than cam.

again, I don't think he's a bad shooter and I do think he'd be killing the shots podz/moody are missing. I'm not sure you can plug him into the podz spot and start him next to steph/jimmy/dray/buddy and I def don't think he can start in podz's place if Steph is hurt. I think you're getting similar production from buddy that you to do cam - shooting, rebounding, defense, etc. How much you can get both of them to produce and be additive, I'm just not sure.

I'm just saying if you're going to S&T our only real trade asset (since the other contracts are either tiny, expiring this summer, or are dray) for a piece to win now, Cam, is not that piece. I'd try to go all out for Trey (not happening, I'm sure), Naz Reid, Miles Turner, or someone like that (Porzingis, maybe if the celtics crash out vs the Knicks and the new owners blink). I just don't know the mechanics of getting a player making ~30M without moving Dray and that probably means we're done as an elite defense.

P.S. Cam is on a good contract. Maybe not great, but very, very good. That's not enough to win a chip, you need production and I don't think he'll provide enough of it to justify going all in.

[EvanZ]

At this point we're so close to the end game, might as well grin and bear it. They chose not to do a tear down/rebuild and instead after this run is over it will be a slow build that will take probably a decade to get back to prominence. Hopefully next year we get one more crack at a decent playoff run and better luck healthwise.

We're a tweaked hammy OR a broken ass away from having a real shot at making the finals (and the top of the east looks real vulnerable, all of a sudden). If Shai and JWill were both gimpy, would they be talking about "it'll take a decade to get back?" Are you really still mad they didn't tear it down? We were the best defense in the league after the jimmy trade and that's with a limited roster, no offseason, or training camp. "Grin and bear it" doesn't sound like fandom. I'd say what it does sound like but that's not printable material. Let's say we get melton back next year and either get a coach bought in on JK or we trade him for a cam johnson type. I'll take our chances more than most.

Seeing Jimmy and Steph get 2-4 week injuries in back to back series is heartbreaking. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're still only down 2-1 in this series with no Steph, Jimmy on one ass cheek, GP2 MIA, Podz, Post, Gui, and Moody with the ultra-yips, dray going insane (again), and only JK picking up the slack. We were one 50/50 call from winning game 3 ( the challenge that we lost). One more solid performance and we have a real shot to beat this squad, even without Steph (the 3 day break may do just enough for Jimmy to take over games 6 and 7).

What a weird reply. I'm not even sure what you're mad about bro lol. You are just creating strawmen to knock down.

[vvoland]

At this point we're so close to the end game, might as well grin and bear it. They chose not to do a tear down/rebuild and instead after this run is over it will be a slow build that will take probably a decade to get back to prominence. Hopefully next year we get one more crack at a decent playoff run and better luck healthwise.

We're a tweaked hammy OR a broken ass away from having a real shot at making the finals (and the top of the east looks real vulnerable, all of a sudden). If Shai and JWill were both gimpy, would they be talking about "it'll take a decade to get back?" Are you really still mad they didn't tear it down? We were the best defense in the league after the jimmy trade and that's with a limited roster, no offseason, or training camp. "Grin and bear it" doesn't sound like fandom. I'd say what it does sound like but that's not printable material. Let's say we get melton back next year and either get a coach bought in on JK or we trade him for a cam johnson type. I'll take our chances more than most.

Seeing Jimmy and Steph get 2-4 week injuries in back to back series is heartbreaking. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're still only down 2-1 in this series with no Steph, Jimmy on one ass cheek, GP2 MIA, Podz, Post, Gui, and Moody with the ultra-yips, dray going insane (again), and only JK picking up the slack. We were one 50/50 call from winning game 3 ( the challenge that we lost). One more solid performance and we have a real shot to beat this squad, even without Steph (the 3 day break may do just enough for Jimmy to take over games 6 and 7).

What a weird reply. I'm not even sure what you're mad about bro lol. You are just creating strawmen to knock down.

I highlighted the first two sentences in your own post just so it's easier to follow. It certainly reads as the musings of someone dissatisfied they didn't tear down/rebuild and who has to 'grin and bear it'

By "it" you mean the last few years of Steph's career, including this one, where we are currently 3 wins from the conference finals with Steph out with his first soft tissue injury ever and Jimmy was undercut and broke his ass.

Looking forward to you deflecting and trying to imply that your post was not lamenting the decisions to keep the core intact because you added the fluff after "hopefully," which is an adverb, by the way.

[wco81]

The big news this morning is about Giannis being open to exploring a move.

Everyone is assuming it will be all the asset-rich teams like OKC, Houston, Brooklyn.

Windhorst says the only way a team like the Warriors would be able to trade for Giannis is if Giannis specifically asked to be trade to GSW and the Bucks decide to accommodate him, taking less than they'd get from other teams.

GSW would probably have to include Dray or Jimmy or both, all the role players and probably all the FRPs that GSW controls for the next 5 seasons.

Then it would be Steph and Giannis and not much else ...

[vvoland]

The big news this morning is about Giannis being open to exploring a move.

Everyone is assuming it will be all the asset-rich teams like OKC, Houston, Brooklyn.

Windhorst says the only way a team like the Warriors would be able to trade for Giannis is if Giannis specifically asked to be trade to GSW and the Bucks decide to accommodate him, taking less than they'd get from other teams.

GSW would probably have to include Dray or Jimmy or both, all the role players and probably all the FRPs that GSW controls for the next 5 seasons.

Then it would be Steph and Giannis and not much else ...

We're not getting Giannis. It's Hou or OKC unless they don't want him enough to give up the farm. If I'm MIL I'm asking for Thompon/Sengun and all the picks or Jwill/Chet and all the picks. Each team is left with enough to compete for a title while sending enough young talent and picks to MIL that they don't have to tank or can trade for their own picks. We have nothing to compete with that.

I'd rather go after a more realistic target, ideally a real stretch 5 (Naz, KP, KD, Myles).

[EvanZ]

We're a tweaked hammy OR a broken ass away from having a real shot at making the finals (and the top of the east looks real vulnerable, all of a sudden). If Shai and JWill were both gimpy, would they be talking about "it'll take a decade to get back?" Are you really still mad they didn't tear it down? We were the best defense in the league after the jimmy trade and that's with a limited roster, no offseason, or training camp. "Grin and bear it" doesn't sound like fandom. I'd say what it does sound like but that's not printable material. Let's say we get melton back next year and either get a coach bought in on JK or we trade him for a cam johnson type. I'll take our chances more than most.

Seeing Jimmy and Steph get 2-4 week injuries in back to back series is heartbreaking. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're still only down 2-1 in this series with no Steph, Jimmy on one ass cheek, GP2 MIA, Podz, Post, Gui, and Moody with the ultra-yips, dray going insane (again), and only JK picking up the slack. We were one 50/50 call from winning game 3 ( the challenge that we lost). One more solid performance and we have a real shot to beat this squad, even without Steph (the 3 day break may do just enough for Jimmy to take over games 6 and 7).

What a weird reply. I'm not even sure what you're mad about bro lol. You are just creating strawmen to knock down.

I highlighted the first two sentences in your own post just so it's easier to follow. It certainly reads as the musings of someone dissatisfied they didn't tear down/rebuild and who has to 'grin and bear it'

By "it" you mean the last few years of Steph's career, including this one, where we are currently 3 wins from the conference finals with Steph out with his first soft tissue injury ever and Jimmy was undercut and broke his ass.

Looking forward to you deflecting and trying to imply that your post was not lamenting the decisions to keep the core intact because you added the fluff after "hopefully," which is an adverb, by the way.

Just a very strange energy man. I am obviously on record saying many times I wanted to tear it down well before we traded for Jimmy. And here I am saying we need to just lean into it, but you still can't take yes for an answer. You do you bro. Seems like a waste of energy to me to always be looking for a fight where there was none.

[HiRez]

GSW would probably have to include Dray or Jimmy or both, all the role players and probably all the FRPs that GSW controls for the next 5 seasons.

Then it would be Steph and Giannis and not much else ...

No doubt but they're basically fielding 90% of a G-League team right now anyway so I don't know it would be a huge downgrade.

I would keep Jimmy and jettison Dray since Jimmy's facilitation skills overlap Draymond's anyway and he's a lot better on the offensive end (not to mention the constant Dray drama/flagrants/suspensions). Dray still makes some great defensive plays but overall he is diminished, and has not had a great playoff run.

Would probably never happen, or work, but Steph, Giannis, Jimmy is a hell of a core 3 no matter who else you put around them.

[vvoland]

What a weird reply. I'm not even sure what you're mad about bro lol. You are just creating strawmen to knock down.

I highlighted the first two sentences in your own post just so it's easier to follow. It certainly reads as the musings of someone dissatisfied they didn't tear down/rebuild and who has to 'grin and bear it'

By "it" you mean the last few years of Steph's career, including this one, where we are currently 3 wins from the conference finals with Steph out with his first soft tissue injury ever and Jimmy was undercut and broke his ass.

Looking forward to you deflecting and trying to imply that your post was not lamenting the decisions to keep the core intact because you added the fluff after "hopefully," which is an adverb, by the way.

Just a very strange energy man. I am obviously on record saying many times I wanted to tear it down well before we traded for Jimmy. And here I am saying we need to just lean into it, but you still can't take yes for an answer. You do you bro. Seems like a waste of energy to me to always be looking for a fight where there was none.

Ah yes, the "lean into it" synonym being "grin and bear it." Well done. You're really trying to say that the post I responded to was calling for the fans to "lean into it" and not "grin and bear it?" And it somehow wasn't lamenting the fact that we didn't tear it down? If so, you should try being more clear about your message in the future. It's a text-only medium so tone and vocal inflection don't come through well.

Also, there's no fight here. Just a post complaining about our decision not to tear it down that I responded to by saying this is why I root: to be 7 wins away from a title. Most teams never even get that close. You're the one that had to go all "weird energy, dude" because I responded (*gasp!) on a message board.