2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[KGdaBom]

Have you actually watched a game of his ? Just curious as you didn't mention his actual strongest point - his passing

Not sure what he finished at but later in the season watching one of his games here , the commentator mentioned his 3:1 assist to TO ratio which is excellent for an 18 year old pg in any pro league

Passing is one of the facets of ball handling.

Lol no it's not. "ball handling " is dribbling

So when people say "Kyrie is the best ball handler of all time", you think they're also including his passing ?

No

Dribbling is not the only part of ball handling. You've got to be kidding. Passing is a very significant part of ball handling. You notice how I said every part of ball handling in my original post. If there was only one part to ball handling I would not have said that.

[KGdaBom]

There are levels between tanking and being a playoff team. I don't expect the Wolves to be a playoff team, but I also don't expect us to be actively trying to lose all of our games to get a top draft pick. That's even if we didn't owe our pick to the Warriors. Tanking is pathetic. Just like you last year the Wolves lost because our best player didn't play.

C'mon, you have to be more positive of your team than that. You said you got rid of cancer Andrew Wiggins which may have been true for the TWolves. He didn't fit your style of play as third scorer. For third scorer, you're looking at Malik Beasley, Jarrett Culver, and whoever you draft at #1. What's tough is there hasn't been a trade in the NBA in nine months so teams are going with what they have and improving through the draft, free agency, or trades for vets. Teams could be waiting for what happens to Giannis first. Thus, I think the Warriors are ready to get a guy at #2 who will help them. From what I hear, it could be James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Devin Vassell, or Obi Toppin. Out of those players, I think the TWolves would consider Obi Toppin as a #1 pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they did pick him because he fits the best on offense. We don't know how good of a shooter Anthony Edwards can be. He may be more of a scorer.

If I were to bet on whether the Wolves make a trade with one of the Hornets or Warriors I would bet on it happening.

Warriors could offer their #52 pick + #2, but they've been trying to trade down. I can only see them doing this for LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, or Deni Avdija, but they may be happy with any of these players. Hornets could offer their #56 pick + #3 for James Wiseman. Since the Warriors would be happy with several players, I think they'll just wait until the TWolves make their selection. Hornets may wait, too, and trade if the TWolves take James Wiseman. That's why I think it depends on the TWolves pick. If they take LaMelo or Wiseman, then they probably got a deal for his draft rights.

Jason I'm sorry, but if you think a SRP moves you or Charlotte up to #1 you are delusional and not worth discussing this with.

[whatisacenter]

You think Myers won that deal. LMAO. Wiggins is a cancer. He's horrible. At least Russell is very good on offense. I would make that deal again 7 days a week. As for you getting Wiseman at 2 I've already said it could happen. IMO if I'm running the Warriors it's not worth taking the Risk. Throw the Wolves a bone like your 2021 FRP which will be 30 overall of course.

Haha, you guys got boned in the Dlo deal. He's the worst defensive player in the NBA by a wide margin for a player that plays significant mintes. You guys are gonna leak 140 ppg and we'll end up with the Number #1 overall in 2022. To rub salt in, Wiggins will look good in GS. It's gonna be beautiful.

And you're not going to get anything from the Myers in the draft. Rosas will draft someone, we'll draft someone, and this line of chatter from you will look stupid.

Bring it on.

Coxy it's fun talking with you and you have your right to be wrong. Every Wolves fan is thrilled to be rid of Wiggins and thrilled to have Russell

And that is why you're Wolves fans....I wanted to gouge my eyes out watching DsLo "lead" the Warriors with his lack of athleticism and his putrid defense. I would have traded straight up for Wiggins and getting a 1st out of you in a highly anticipated draft was gravy. Have fun watching besties, Kat and Russell, standing around watching the opposing team scorch your team next season, I look forward to using your draft pick.

[KGdaBom]

Haha, you guys got boned in the Dlo deal. He's the worst defensive player in the NBA by a wide margin for a player that plays significant mintes. You guys are gonna leak 140 ppg and we'll end up with the Number #1 overall in 2022. To rub salt in, Wiggins will look good in GS. It's gonna be beautiful.

And you're not going to get anything from the Myers in the draft. Rosas will draft someone, we'll draft someone, and this line of chatter from you will look stupid.

Bring it on.

Coxy it's fun talking with you and you have your right to be wrong. Every Wolves fan is thrilled to be rid of Wiggins and thrilled to have Russell

And that is why you're Wolves fans....I wanted to gouge my eyes out watching DsLo "lead" the Warriors with his lack of athleticism and his putrid defense. I would have traded straight up for Wiggins and getting a 1st out of you in a highly anticipated draft was gravy. Have fun watching besties, Kat and Russell, standing around watching the opposing team scorch your team next season, I look forward to using your draft pick.

I'm happy for you.

[Mylie10]

Russell is great at pounding the ball. Not a good fit for the Warriors who need the ball to move.

The pressure is off Wiggins now. He doesn’t need to carry a sorry franchise any longer. So all he has to do is be an improved Barnes. He fits what we need, and when we make our pick next season it will be Wiggins and player X who could be a major star.

And in the meantime they may even deal Wiggins.

I predict the Wonder Twins still suck.

[jason bourne]

There are levels between tanking and being a playoff team. I don't expect the Wolves to be a playoff team, but I also don't expect us to be actively trying to lose all of our games to get a top draft pick. That's even if we didn't owe our pick to the Warriors. Tanking is pathetic. Just like you last year the Wolves lost because our best player didn't play.

C'mon, you have to be more positive of your team than that. You said you got rid of cancer Andrew Wiggins which may have been true for the TWolves. He didn't fit your style of play as third scorer. For third scorer, you're looking at Malik Beasley, Jarrett Culver, and whoever you draft at #1. What's tough is there hasn't been a trade in the NBA in nine months so teams are going with what they have and improving through the draft, free agency, or trades for vets. Teams could be waiting for what happens to Giannis first. Thus, I think the Warriors are ready to get a guy at #2 who will help them. From what I hear, it could be James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Devin Vassell, or Obi Toppin. Out of those players, I think the TWolves would consider Obi Toppin as a #1 pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they did pick him because he fits the best on offense. We don't know how good of a shooter Anthony Edwards can be. He may be more of a scorer.

If I were to bet on whether the Wolves make a trade with one of the Hornets or Warriors I would bet on it happening.

Warriors could offer their #52 pick + #2, but they've been trying to trade down. I can only see them doing this for LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, or Deni Avdija, but they may be happy with any of these players. Hornets could offer their #56 pick + #3 for James Wiseman. Since the Warriors would be happy with several players, I think they'll just wait until the TWolves make their selection. Hornets may wait, too, and trade if the TWolves take James Wiseman. That's why I think it depends on the TWolves pick. If they take LaMelo or Wiseman, then they probably got a deal for his draft rights.

Jason I'm sorry, but if you think a SRP moves you or Charlotte up to #1 you are delusional and not worth discussing this with.

Haha. There really isn't anything to discuss in the 2020 draft; It's not like the 2019 draft. Both the TWolves and Warriors are trying to trade down because of it.

Second, what part of draft rights do you not understand? Let's say the TWolves take James Wiseman at #1. Then the Warriors and Hornets could trade for his draft rights before they pick. It's as simple as that.

[KGdaBom]

C'mon, you have to be more positive of your team than that. You said you got rid of cancer Andrew Wiggins which may have been true for the TWolves. He didn't fit your style of play as third scorer. For third scorer, you're looking at Malik Beasley, Jarrett Culver, and whoever you draft at #1. What's tough is there hasn't been a trade in the NBA in nine months so teams are going with what they have and improving through the draft, free agency, or trades for vets. Teams could be waiting for what happens to Giannis first. Thus, I think the Warriors are ready to get a guy at #2 who will help them. From what I hear, it could be James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Devin Vassell, or Obi Toppin. Out of those players, I think the TWolves would consider Obi Toppin as a #1 pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they did pick him because he fits the best on offense. We don't know how good of a shooter Anthony Edwards can be. He may be more of a scorer.



Warriors could offer their #52 pick + #2, but they've been trying to trade down. I can only see them doing this for LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, or Deni Avdija, but they may be happy with any of these players. Hornets could offer their #56 pick + #3 for James Wiseman. Since the Warriors would be happy with several players, I think they'll just wait until the TWolves make their selection. Hornets may wait, too, and trade if the TWolves take James Wiseman. That's why I think it depends on the TWolves pick. If they take LaMelo or Wiseman, then they probably got a deal for his draft rights.

Jason I'm sorry, but if you think a SRP moves you or Charlotte up to #1 you are delusional and not worth discussing this with.

Haha. There really isn't anything to discuss in the 2020 draft; It's not like the 2019 draft. Both the TWolves and Warriors are trying to trade down because of it.

Second, what part of draft rights do you not understand? Let's say the TWolves take James Wiseman at #1. Then the Warriors and Hornets could trade for his draft rights before they pick. It's as simple as that.

Deal will be made before the pick. However, you seem to at least realize that the Hornets or Warriors are likely to do what it takes to get Wiseman. I give you credit for that.

[KGdaBom]

Russell is great at pounding the ball. Not a good fit for the Warriors who need the ball to move.

The pressure is off Wiggins now. He doesn’t need to carry a sorry franchise any longer. So all he has to do is be an improved Barnes. He fits what we need, and when we make our pick next season it will be Wiggins and player X who could be a major star.

And in the meantime they may even deal Wiggins.

I predict the Wonder Twins still suck.

You'll try to deal Wiggins. The wolves had to give a very lightly protected FRP to get rid of him. I don't know if you will find any takers.

[Mylie10]

Russell is great at pounding the ball. Not a good fit for the Warriors who need the ball to move.

The pressure is off Wiggins now. He doesn’t need to carry a sorry franchise any longer. So all he has to do is be an improved Barnes. He fits what we need, and when we make our pick next season it will be Wiggins and player X who could be a major star.

And in the meantime they may even deal Wiggins.

I predict the Wonder Twins still suck.

You'll try to deal Wiggins. The wolves had to give a very lightly protected FRP to get rid of him. I don't know if you will find any takers.

We shall see. I predict we will see how things are playing out by the trade deadline. If they are winning then the perception of Wiggins may be elevated. Playing with a sorry ass loser franchise for so long would ruin anyone.

[ChuckDurn]

There are levels between tanking and being a playoff team. I don't expect the Wolves to be a playoff team, but I also don't expect us to be actively trying to lose all of our games to get a top draft pick. That's even if we didn't owe our pick to the Warriors. Tanking is pathetic. Just like you last year the Wolves lost because our best player didn't play.

C'mon, you have to be more positive of your team than that. You said you got rid of cancer Andrew Wiggins which may have been true for the TWolves. He didn't fit your style of play as third scorer. For third scorer, you're looking at Malik Beasley, Jarrett Culver, and whoever you draft at #1. What's tough is there hasn't been a trade in the NBA in nine months so teams are going with what they have and improving through the draft, free agency, or trades for vets. Teams could be waiting for what happens to Giannis first. Thus, I think the Warriors are ready to get a guy at #2 who will help them. From what I hear, it could be James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Devin Vassell, or Obi Toppin. Out of those players, I think the TWolves would consider Obi Toppin as a #1 pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they did pick him because he fits the best on offense. We don't know how good of a shooter Anthony Edwards can be. He may be more of a scorer.

If I were to bet on whether the Wolves make a trade with one of the Hornets or Warriors I would bet on it happening.

Warriors could offer their #52 pick + #2, but they've been trying to trade down. I can only see them doing this for LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, or Deni Avdija, but they may be happy with any of these players. Hornets could offer their #56 pick + #3 for James Wiseman. Since the Warriors would be happy with several players, I think they'll just wait until the TWolves make their selection. Hornets may wait, too, and trade if the TWolves take James Wiseman. That's why I think it depends on the TWolves pick. If they take LaMelo or Wiseman, then they probably got a deal for his draft rights.

Jason I'm sorry, but if you think a SRP moves you or Charlotte up to #1 you are delusional and not worth discussing this with.

Don't say I didn't warn you......

[jason bourne]

Jason I'm sorry, but if you think a SRP moves you or Charlotte up to #1 you are delusional and not worth discussing this with.

Haha. There really isn't anything to discuss in the 2020 draft; It's not like the 2019 draft. Both the TWolves and Warriors are trying to trade down because of it.

Second, what part of draft rights do you not understand? Let's say the TWolves take James Wiseman at #1. Then the Warriors and Hornets could trade for his draft rights before they pick. It's as simple as that.

Deal will be made before the pick. However, you seem to at least realize that the Hornets or Warriors are likely to do what it takes to get Wiseman. I give you credit for that.

I can't speak for the Hornets, but no deal will be made before the TWolves pick by the Warriors. Again, the Ws are trying to trade down. If they can't make a deal to trade down, then the Ws will just wait to see who the TWolves pick and then decide what to do. The scuttlebutt is the TWolves will pick LaMelo or Edwards. Longshot is Toppin. Then the Ws just have to wait to pick Wiseman or whoever else they like. It could be Avdija, Hassell, or Obi. Maybe if LaMelo is there, they'll take him to trade to the Knicks. Unlike you, I like LaMelo for the Ws.

[KGdaBom]

Haha. There really isn't anything to discuss in the 2020 draft; It's not like the 2019 draft. Both the TWolves and Warriors are trying to trade down because of it.

Second, what part of draft rights do you not understand? Let's say the TWolves take James Wiseman at #1. Then the Warriors and Hornets could trade for his draft rights before they pick. It's as simple as that.

Deal will be made before the pick. However, you seem to at least realize that the Hornets or Warriors are likely to do what it takes to get Wiseman. I give you credit for that.

I can't speak for the Hornets, but no deal will be made before the TWolves pick by the Warriors. Again, the Ws are trying to trade down. If they can't make a deal to trade down, then the Ws will just wait to see who the TWolves pick and then decide what to do. The scuttlebutt is the TWolves will pick LaMelo or Edwards. Longshot is Toppin. Then the Ws just have to wait to pick Wiseman or whoever else they like. It could be Avdija, Hassell, or Obi. Maybe if LaMelo is there, they'll take him to trade to the Knicks. Unlike you, I like LaMelo for the Ws.

This is where you're completely wrong. You can't wait for who the Wolves draft at #3 before deciding if you want to trade for Wiseman.

[jason bourne]

Deal will be made before the pick. However, you seem to at least realize that the Hornets or Warriors are likely to do what it takes to get Wiseman. I give you credit for that.

I can't speak for the Hornets, but no deal will be made before the TWolves pick by the Warriors. Again, the Ws are trying to trade down. If they can't make a deal to trade down, then the Ws will just wait to see who the TWolves pick and then decide what to do. The scuttlebutt is the TWolves will pick LaMelo or Edwards. Longshot is Toppin. Then the Ws just have to wait to pick Wiseman or whoever else they like. It could be Avdija, Hassell, or Obi. Maybe if LaMelo is there, they'll take him to trade to the Knicks. Unlike you, I like LaMelo for the Ws.

This is where you're completely wrong. You can't wait for who the Wolves draft at #3 before deciding if you want to trade for Wiseman.

I'm surprised this has gone on so long. You must be desperate to trade with the Ws . Thus, make an offer just to make it interesting. You can make one for the #17 pick, too. I think fans here are interested in that as well as trading for James Johnson with the TPE. That's something we can talk trading before the draft.

As for the Hornets, they may go for Okongwu, so it isn't a given they want Wiseman. Wiseman could be dropping like a rock. The TWolves may be interested in him instead of Obi.

[Chupchup]

Russell is great at pounding the ball. Not a good fit for the Warriors who need the ball to move.

The pressure is off Wiggins now. He doesn’t need to carry a sorry franchise any longer. So all he has to do is be an improved Barnes. He fits what we need, and when we make our pick next season it will be Wiggins and player X who could be a major star.

And in the meantime they may even deal Wiggins.

I predict the Wonder Twins still suck.

You'll try to deal Wiggins. The wolves had to give a very lightly protected FRP to get rid of him. I don't know if you will find any takers.

When wolves traded wiggins, he had 4 years left on his contract. If the warriors trade him, he'll have 3 or less years. Also players values tend to go up when their teams are winning. As it helps each player perform better when they're around better players.

So I don't think it will be that bad trading Wiggins.

[Chupchup]

Russell is great at pounding the ball. Not a good fit for the Warriors who need the ball to move.

The pressure is off Wiggins now. He doesn’t need to carry a sorry franchise any longer. So all he has to do is be an improved Barnes. He fits what we need, and when we make our pick next season it will be Wiggins and player X who could be a major star.

And in the meantime they may even deal Wiggins.

I predict the Wonder Twins still suck.

You'll try to deal Wiggins. The wolves had to give a very lightly protected FRP to get rid of him. I don't know if you will find any takers.

We shall see. I predict we will see how things are playing out by the trade deadline. If they are winning then the perception of Wiggins may be elevated. Playing with a sorry ass loser franchise for so long would ruin anyone.

And as warriors fans, we definitely know what that is like!

[KGdaBom]

You'll try to deal Wiggins. The wolves had to give a very lightly protected FRP to get rid of him. I don't know if you will find any takers.

We shall see. I predict we will see how things are playing out by the trade deadline. If they are winning then the perception of Wiggins may be elevated. Playing with a sorry ass loser franchise for so long would ruin anyone.

And as warriors fans, we definitely know what that is like!

Wiggins is an extremely negative contract. If the Warriors are winning it will take the Wolves pick and your own to move him. Maybe just the Wolves pick.

[ChuckDurn]

We shall see. I predict we will see how things are playing out by the trade deadline. If they are winning then the perception of Wiggins may be elevated. Playing with a sorry ass loser franchise for so long would ruin anyone.

And as warriors fans, we definitely know what that is like!

Wiggins is an extremely negative contract. If the Warriors are winning it will take the Wolves pick and your own to move him. Maybe just the Wolves pick.

Right now, that's probably the case. Just to get to neutral value with the 3 years left on Wiggins' deal right now, we would likely need to attach either this year's #2 pick, or the Minnesota pick next year. Then to actually fetch a positive asset coming back to us, we'd need to add more value. That's why almost all of the deals suggesting we'd use Wiggins to match salary on a star coming back, we have to add both picks and even more - 1 of the picks negates Wiggins' bad deal, and then the rest of the package is actually trying to match the value for that other player.

But teams will be less averse to take on his contract if there's less time on it, since it wouldn't handicap their cap sheet for as long. And if he demonstrates that he can be a better player, that also improves the value.

Right now he's a guy who (based on what he's shown so far) probably is worth $10M/year, but he's making $30M/year for the next 3 years. So a team trading for him pays $90M for 3 years, and only gets $30M of production. So right now, the Warriors need to "pay" them an additional $60M worth of assets.

Let's say this year, with the Warriors, he shows that he's actually able to play at a $15M/year value. At the end of the year, he'll only have 2 years left. So a team acquiring him says "He'll cost me $60M over the next 2 years, and I'll only get $30M of production". So the Warriors now only have to make up $30M of assets in additional trade value, were they to trade him.

Because his contract is so negative, nobody else wants him now. But it's the Warriors' hope that they can rehabilitate his value by putting him in a position where he has a much better chance to succeed. And maybe next off-season he'd be more tradeable than he is now.

[HiRez]

Supposedly the Pistons are interested in moving up for Ball, anything of interest for us there? No idea what they'd be willing to give up, but #7 is a great trade-down position in this draft, there will be several really good prospects to pick up there. Their 2021 FRP would be pretty enticing.

[KGdaBom]

And as warriors fans, we definitely know what that is like!

Wiggins is an extremely negative contract. If the Warriors are winning it will take the Wolves pick and your own to move him. Maybe just the Wolves pick.

Right now, that's probably the case. Just to get to neutral value with the 3 years left on Wiggins' deal right now, we would likely need to attach either this year's #2 pick, or the Minnesota pick next year. Then to actually fetch a positive asset coming back to us, we'd need to add more value. That's why almost all of the deals suggesting we'd use Wiggins to match salary on a star coming back, we have to add both picks and even more - 1 of the picks negates Wiggins' bad deal, and then the rest of the package is actually trying to match the value for that other player.

But teams will be less averse to take on his contract if there's less time on it, since it wouldn't handicap their cap sheet for as long. And if he demonstrates that he can be a better player, that also improves the value.

Right now he's a guy who (based on what he's shown so far) probably is worth $10M/year, but he's making $30M/year for the next 3 years. So a team trading for him pays $90M for 3 years, and only gets $30M of production. So right now, the Warriors need to "pay" them an additional $60M worth of assets.

Let's say this year, with the Warriors, he shows that he's actually able to play at a $15M/year value. At the end of the year, he'll only have 2 years left. So a team acquiring him says "He'll cost me $60M over the next 2 years, and I'll only get $30M of production". So the Warriors now only have to make up $30M of assets in additional trade value, were they to trade him.

Because his contract is so negative, nobody else wants him now. But it's the Warriors' hope that they can rehabilitate his value by putting him in a position where he has a much better chance to succeed. And maybe next off-season he'd be more tradeable than he is now.

I think you did a great job on explaining this. Hit the nail on the head.

[Chupchup]

Supposedly the Pistons are interested in moving up for Ball, anything of interest for us there? No idea what they'd be willing to give up, but #7 is a great trade-down position in this draft, there will be several really good prospects to pick up there. Their 2021 FRP would be pretty enticing.

I like Luke Kennard and a future pick swap maybe.