Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Mylie10]

Siakam is struggling while trying to do too much for the Raptors, but is outstanding. He’d score 18-20 very efficiently with the W’s rather than having to try to score 25 with the Raptors. And he could go back to being a defensive beast. He’s flexible enough to start up-front with Green, covering either the C or PF depending on matchups.

Amen. Lots of crazy takes here re: Siakam. If we could even get Siakam alone for Wiggins + #2 + MIN pick, I think Bob would do it instantly and rush the paperwork to get it done before Masai’s LSD trip wears off.

Siakam would be straight fire for us.


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I’ve always been high on Siakam, but what you proposed is a huge overpay, and Bob would be run out of town if he used all of that capital.

I would be the first one to drop a fiery bag of poop on Bobs front porch.

[TB]

I'm with Vetmin on this one. Our front office would definitely trade Wiggins, the 2nd, and minny pick for Siakam.

MLE someone like Crowder and now you are closing games with Steph/Klay/Crowder/Siakam/Draymond.... are you kidding me? That lineup is unstoppable.

By the way, Toronto would say no to that deal. In his first year as "the guy", he's going to finish top 10 MVP. Yes, he's struggling in the playoffs, so have alot of all star level players at some point in their early careers.

[Scoots1994]

How about Wiggns and the #2 straight up for Rudy Gobert...Utah does that deal...

No thanks.

[TB]

Also add me to the Wiggins and 2 for Gobert list. Of course we make that trade.

[Mav_Carter]

The official trade would be:

Wiggins + 2 for Gobert + 23

With the 23rd pick we would take the Italian Steve Nash...

[ShayDee]

6'9 Siakam cannot post 6'4 smart? lol Are we really sure he is better than Wiggins?

[ChuckDurn]

6'9 Siakam cannot post 6'4 smart? lol Are we really sure he is better than Wiggins?

6'11' Anthony Davis has had terrible success posting 6'5" PJ Tucker. Smart is built like Tucker - it's super-tough to post him up, despite height difference, because he's built really solidly with a low center of gravity, and knows how to use his strength.

I mean, Draymond's actually 6'6" or so, and very few huge centers were able to post him up in his prime.

And Siakam's offensive game isn't built on post-ups. It's based on movement, speed, slashing, and evasiveness. Plus, defensively there's no comparison between him and Wiggins.

So don't read that isolated fact into things too much.

[jason bourne]

Here's the deal to make in order to grease the skids for Giannis next season should Steph-Klay-Dray-Wiggy turn out to be fool's gold, i.e. can Wiggy replace Iggy?:

Golden State Warriors receive: James Johnson and 2020 second-round pick using their TPE

Minnesota Timberwolves receive: 2022 second-round pick (protected for picks 31-55)

+++++

OKC and GSW to lure the Bulls to get serious for the POs next season:

Chicago Bulls receive: Chris Paul, 2020 No. 25 pick (from DEN via OKC) and 2020 No. 51 pick (from UTA via GSW)

Golden State Warriors receive: Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky and Mike Muscala

Oklahoma City Thunder receive: Zach LaVine and Andrew Wiggins

Bulls do it because they have to pay LaVine, Young, and Satoransky a combined $46 M next season. OKC gathers more young talent. Warriors go after big star like Giannis if they can make trades to rebuild their roster and have a big expiring contract.

[ChuckDurn]

Here's the deal to make in order to grease the skids for Giannis next season should Steph-Klay-Dray-Wiggy turn out to be fool's gold, i.e. can Wiggy replace Iggy?:

Golden State Warriors receive: James Johnson and 2020 second-round pick using their TPE

Minnesota Timberwolves receive: 2022 second-round pick (protected for picks 31-55)

+++++

OKC and GSW to lure the Bulls to get serious for the POs next season:

Chicago Bulls receive: Chris Paul, 2020 No. 25 pick (from DEN via OKC) and 2020 No. 51 pick (from UTA via GSW)

Golden State Warriors receive: Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky and Mike Muscala

Oklahoma City Thunder receive: Zach LaVine and Andrew Wiggins

Bulls do it because they have to pay LaVine, Young, and Satoransky a combined $46 M next season. OKC gathers more young talent. Warriors go after big star like Giannis if they can make trades to rebuild their roster and have a big expiring contract.

The problem here (among other things) is that this trades the only natural 3 on the roster (Wiggins) and adds 2 more guys (Young, Johnson) who are capable 4’s but not able to play the 3. Satoransky isn’t a very good back-up point guard, but likewise not able to cover the 3.

Pass on this, for me.

[TB]

One thing our front office has done the last year that I don't love even though I totally understand is bringing in talent that clearly they are okay being trade bait.

They did it with DLo.
They did it with Wiggins.
Now there are rumors at least that even drafting Wiseman or Antman is just for value in a bigger trade later.

1) I really do get it, and it may land us a superstar to go with splash bros.
2) Splash bros and dray aren't getting younger, at some point we can't keep extending the window and have to get a team together.
3) No guarantee that Wiggins or a Wiseman perform well knowing they are just moving on, similar to DLo situation.

It's really not a huge deal, all part of the lightyears business. But we really do need to have a set team to compete very soon. And i'm not against that just being Wiggins and Wiseman/Antman included. It's just going to be rumors swirling until end of next free agency.

[Mav_Carter]

it's called hoarding talent...I don't see the issue with it...

[Scoots1994]

I'm fine with a crazy huge trade of #2 and next years Minny FRP and Wiggins for Giannis or AD but nobody else is worth it.

[Warriorfan]

Warriors will trade down with NY for 8, Nikitla, #27, and pick swap with Min pick.

[Quazza]

Warriors will trade down with NY for 8, Nikitla, #27, and pick swap with Min pick.

Sure you're a Warriorfan?

[Mylie10]

6'9 Siakam cannot post 6'4 smart? lol Are we really sure he is better than Wiggins?

6'11' Anthony Davis has had terrible success posting 6'5" PJ Tucker. Smart is built like Tucker - it's super-tough to post him up, despite height difference, because he's built really solidly with a low center of gravity, and knows how to use his strength.

I mean, Draymond's actually 6'6" or so, and very few huge centers were able to post him up in his prime.

And Siakam's offensive game isn't built on post-ups. It's based on movement, speed, slashing, and evasiveness. Plus, defensively there's no comparison between him and Wiggins.

So don't read that isolated fact into things too much.

I like Siakam, but not close to being worth the number 2, Wiggins, and also the Minny pick as some have suggested.

Looking back on that trade could be devastating for Myers in a couple years.

[Onus]

6'9 Siakam cannot post 6'4 smart? lol Are we really sure he is better than Wiggins?

6'11' Anthony Davis has had terrible success posting 6'5" PJ Tucker. Smart is built like Tucker - it's super-tough to post him up, despite height difference, because he's built really solidly with a low center of gravity, and knows how to use his strength.

I mean, Draymond's actually 6'6" or so, and very few huge centers were able to post him up in his prime.

And Siakam's offensive game isn't built on post-ups. It's based on movement, speed, slashing, and evasiveness. Plus, defensively there's no comparison between him and Wiggins.

So don't read that isolated fact into things too much.

I like Siakam, but not close to being worth the number 2, Wiggins, and also the Minny pick as some have suggested.

Looking back on that trade could be devastating for Myers in a couple years.

Siakam is not worth that

[ILOVEIT]

Also add me to the Wiggins and 2 for Gobert list. Of course we make that trade.

Goober has shown his playoff value....big fat zero.

He's an overrated stiff that blocks shots at the rim while the rest of the league scores from 3. He has BAD hands...can do some basic natural post moves without breaking out the NBA training guide and studying it for a while.

Worse of all...he acts kinda dickish. The fact that he smash a chair because someone ELSE missed a defensive assignment that made HIM look bad....eh.

Feel free to keep him.

[ShayDee]

Warriors will trade down with NY for 8, Nikitla, #27, and pick swap with Min pick.

No,

8, 27 and 2021 dallas pick and deal

[ChuckDurn]

6'11' Anthony Davis has had terrible success posting 6'5" PJ Tucker. Smart is built like Tucker - it's super-tough to post him up, despite height difference, because he's built really solidly with a low center of gravity, and knows how to use his strength.

I mean, Draymond's actually 6'6" or so, and very few huge centers were able to post him up in his prime.

And Siakam's offensive game isn't built on post-ups. It's based on movement, speed, slashing, and evasiveness. Plus, defensively there's no comparison between him and Wiggins.

So don't read that isolated fact into things too much.

I like Siakam, but not close to being worth the number 2, Wiggins, and also the Minny pick as some have suggested.

Looking back on that trade could be devastating for Myers in a couple years.

Siakam is not worth that

Not sure why my comment was the reason for the response by Mylie and yourself. I certainly wasn’t suggesting Siakam’s worth that much, I was just pointing out that posting up isn’t his game, and that Smart is tough as crap to post up against anyway. And considering that Davis scored 0 points when guarded by Tucker in 26 possessions yesterday, my analogy there seems to holds up.

A variant of a deal that I would make, but I sincerely doubt Toronto would consider unless they want to blow things up and rebuild (which I don’t expect) would be Siakam + Anunoby + Toronto’s 2021 first round pick (#29 overall) for Wiggins + #2 + Minny’s 2021 pick.

[Onus]

I like Siakam, but not close to being worth the number 2, Wiggins, and also the Minny pick as some have suggested.

Looking back on that trade could be devastating for Myers in a couple years.

Siakam is not worth that

Not sure why my comment was the reason for the response by Mylie and yourself. I certainly wasn’t suggesting Siakam’s worth that much, I was just pointing out that posting up isn’t his game, and that Smart is tough as crap to post up against anyway. And considering that Davis scored 0 points when guarded by Tucker in 26 possessions yesterday, my analogy there seems to holds up.

A variant of a deal that I would make, but I sincerely doubt Toronto would consider unless they want to blow things up and rebuild (which I don’t expect) would be Siakam + Anunoby + Toronto’s 2021 first round pick (#29 overall) for Wiggins + #2 + Minny’s 2021 pick.

I’m not sure why he quoted you. I’m just too lazy to unquote you. I like your proposal though and would add a sweetener to that if needed.