The Tank 11'12 thread.

[curryshimmy]

Looking back I can't actually fault our tank too much. In our last 25 games we're 5-20 and we've only moved down one spot. What a complete f*cking joke of a bottom 7 we're competiting with. Seriously, wtf are we supposed to do?

It really puts into perspective how bad the bottom teams are. I don't really understand the nets angle they seem to be throwing games even though their not keeping their pick.

And as for our front office I am completely fed up. They have done nothing yet to help us win. We dont know how Bogut will pan out. We need to sign Ron artest and have him throw some bows lacobs way

[timlin500]

Ugghh I don't have a good feeling about a coin flip AT ALL. The last couple times we had a coin flip, you know what happened? We lost a coin flip to Houston Rockets, so Rockets got to pick higher and picked Rudy Gay. Then we lost a coin flip to the Kings, and the Rockets got the higher pick to pick Demarcus Cousins. So yea... but maybe 3rd time's a charm?

[Jester_]

So if it's between us and NJ/T.O for the 7th position, it's a 50% chance we get a 75% chance at keeping our pick, in other words a 37.5% chance of keeping our pick overall. Yeah, not the best odds.

And that's still assuming we lose out.

[floppymoose]

We've mostly "won" our coin flips. We did not coin flip with the Kings. We flipped with the Wizards and "won". Won is in quotes because we got the 6th slot and the Wizards got the 7th slot, and then the 7th slot won the #1 pick in the lottery.

[EvanZ]

And as for our front office I am completely fed up. They have done nothing yet to help us win. We dont know how Bogut will pan out. We need to sign Ron artest and have him throw some bows lacobs way

What the hell are you talking about? They completely changed the makeup of our team going forward. We won't see the wins until next season, but you can't say they just sat pat this season.

[curryshimmy]

And as for our front office I am completely fed up. They have done nothing yet to help us win. We dont know how Bogut will pan out. We need to sign Ron artest and have him throw some bows lacobs way

What the hell are you talking about? They completely changed the makeup of our team going forward. We won't see the wins until next season, but you can't say they just sat pat this season.

This is funny to me. The warriors had a chance to get Paul or rondo for curry. They didn't pull the trigger. Getting one of those guys would of made Tyson chandler come play with us. So already u have either Paul/rondo, Ellis, a weak sf, lee, chandler, Klay and company off the bench. That's a pretty damn good team and they would of kept their promise of making playoffs. Instead they traded away Ellis instead of curry for an injured, aging, declining Bogut in hopes of tanking. Which apparently has failed. A job well not done lacob. I'm ray ratto

[EvanZ]

And as for our front office I am completely fed up. They have done nothing yet to help us win. We dont know how Bogut will pan out. We need to sign Ron artest and have him throw some bows lacobs way

What the hell are you talking about? They completely changed the makeup of our team going forward. We won't see the wins until next season, but you can't say they just sat pat this season.

This is funny to me. The warriors had a chance to get Paul or rondo for curry. They didn't pull the trigger. Getting one of those guys would of made Tyson chandler come play with us. So already u have either Paul/rondo, Ellis, a weak sf, lee, chandler, Klay and company off the bench. That's a pretty damn good team and they would of kept their promise of making playoffs. Instead they traded away Ellis instead of curry for an injured, aging, declining Bogut in hopes of tanking. Which apparently has failed. A job well not done lacob. I'm ray ratto

None of those guys wanted to play here. Chandler was always going to go to New York. You're kidding yourself.

[Left*My*Heart]

And as for our front office I am completely fed up. They have done nothing yet to help us win. We dont know how Bogut will pan out. We need to sign Ron artest and have him throw some bows lacobs way

What the hell are you talking about? They completely changed the makeup of our team going forward. We won't see the wins until next season, but you can't say they just sat pat this season.

This is funny to me. The warriors had a chance to get Paul or rondo for curry. They didn't pull the trigger. Getting one of those guys would of made Tyson chandler come play with us. So already u have either Paul/rondo, Ellis, a weak sf, lee, chandler, Klay and company off the bench. That's a pretty damn good team and they would of kept their promise of making playoffs. Instead they traded away Ellis instead of curry for an injured, aging, declining Bogut in hopes of tanking. Which apparently has failed. A job well not done lacob. I'm ray ratto

The Warriors did not have enough money to sign Chandler in the first place, then how are they going to sign Chandler after taking on Paul's or Rondo's contracts?

The trade of Ellis for Bogut will go down as one of the better Warrior trades. It was my understanding that Curry was offered for Bogut, but the Bucks wanted Monta instead.

[curryshimmy]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this trade just like all their other trades, minus the baron Davis trade, is gonna be another fail. We love trading away our talent for centers that are supposed to be great but it always ends miserably.

instead of drafting centers like Bynum, Noah, Hibbert we draft for the 4 position.. And still didnt manage to land a star 4

[Jester_]

And as for our front office I am completely fed up. They have done nothing yet to help us win. We dont know how Bogut will pan out. We need to sign Ron artest and have him throw some bows lacobs way

What the hell are you talking about? They completely changed the makeup of our team going forward. We won't see the wins until next season, but you can't say they just sat pat this season.

This is funny to me. The warriors had a chance to get Paul or rondo for curry. They didn't pull the trigger. Getting one of those guys would of made Tyson chandler come play with us. So already u have either Paul/rondo, Ellis, a weak sf, lee, chandler, Klay and company off the bench. That's a pretty damn good team and they would of kept their promise of making playoffs. Instead they traded away Ellis instead of curry for an injured, aging, declining Bogut in hopes of tanking. Which apparently has failed. A job well not done lacob. I'm ray ratto

Paul wasn't gonna stay here. That's just wishful thinking. I'm glad Lacob didn't pull the trigger, and if Curry comes back healthy, you will be too. The Curry-Bogut 1-5 tandem is going to kick ass.

[curryshimmy]

They can't even tank right. Sit Klay if he's going off like that. were not keeping our pick, which is what we needed to in order to really turn this team into something

[EvanZ]

They can't even tank right. Sit Klay if he's going off like that. were not keeping our pick, which is what we needed to in order to really turn this team into something

They have gone 5-20. It's hard to get a team to be much worse. You can't literally ask the players to lose or injure themselves. And you can't sit Klay Thompson for no good reason.

Get over it.

[Jester_]

They can't even tank right. Sit Klay if he's going off like that. were not keeping our pick, which is what we needed to in order to really turn this team into something

No, a pick wasn't going to "turn this team into something". The core is already set. A pick would have gone a long way for getting us a good role player to fill out our roster, but it was by no means going to give us a core asset (MKG, Davis, Robinson). Stop being so hysterical. All this means is that we'll have to settle for a lower pick in next years draft, or if things go badly and our players are injured, we end up with a high lotto in a draft that is starting to shape up pretty nicely.

Losing the pick sucks, but it's not a huge deal. It was icing on the cake when the trade first happened.

[Sleepy51]

Paul wasn't gonna stay here. That's just wishful thinking. I'm glad Lacob didn't pull the trigger, and if Curry comes back healthy, you will be too. The Curry-Bogut 1-5 tandem is going to kick ass.

I don't know that we would have signed him long term, but Paul was always going to pick up that $17MM option for next year no matter where he landed. If he opted out he would have risked losing about $5MM per year unless he wanted to play for the Nets.

The only decent team with pending cap space to sign a max guy is Dallas, but that put him in direct head to head competition with Deron (with the loser having to go play in New Jersey with scrubs. Picking up the option was simply the only available business move that he or his agent would live with. It gets him nicely paid at max level for one more year and gives multiple teams time to move pieces around the board and configure themselves for his free agency.

I don't know if you would have been satisfied with 2 years to convince Paul to stay, but I know I would have. If we couldn't build a good enough team around him to keep him after those two years, screw this team anyway.

[EvanZ]

You think NJN is going to convince DWill to stay?

[curryshimmy]

They can't even tank right. Sit Klay if he's going off like that. were not keeping our pick, which is what we needed to in order to really turn this team into something

No, a pick wasn't going to "turn this team into something". The core is already set. A pick would have gone a long way for getting us a good role player to fill out our roster, but it was by no means going to give us a core asset (MKG, Davis, Robinson). Stop being so hysterical. All this means is that we'll have to settle for a lower pick in next years draft, or if things go badly and our players are injured, we end up with a high lotto in a draft that is starting to shape up pretty nicely.

Losing the pick sucks, but it's not a huge deal. It was icing on the cake when the trade first happened.

Do u understand how many stars are found after pick 6?! Or do u consider players like Bynum, rondo, granger, Kobe, etc. to just be role players. U never know what u will get out of the draft, but not keeping ur pick means u get no star. Oh and half our "core" could easily be on the bench all next season

[Jester_]

Yeah, there's always a "chance" it pans out, but my point is that this team didn't depend on it like you're making it seem. We already have a good team. A high pick would've certainly taken us over the edge, but we don't depend on it. You're just being hysterical.

And if our core is on the bench all season, that means we'll have a sh*tty record all season long, which means we'll end up with a really high pick. Now if we were to keep our pick this year, then our really high pick next year would end up going to the Jazz. See how that works?

If anything, losing our pick this year gives us insurance for next year -- because our team is likely either going to be very good or very bad, not mediocre.

[TB]

We have a team that, if healthy, will probably be a playoff team.

Considering the lack of assets we have had, the lack of FA appeal, and the lack of top 5 picks since Riley has been GM, thats a pretty impressive sentence to be able to say.

And trust me, i'm aware of the blunders he has made. He's got some pretty dumb moves.... none of which have been completely catastrophic though.

Curry (good pick) Jenkins (good pick)
Klay (good pick)
Rush (good trade) McGuire (good signing)
Lee (good trade) Tyler (good pick)
Bogut (good trade)

Thats a good portion of our roster that i'm really happy with, and all of those were Riley moves. And for those mad that he hasn't dumped Biedrins crappy contract, he has gotten rid of Maggette and Jacksons albatrosses. 2 out of 3 is pretty good when the 1 thats left is at least a 7 footer.

[EvanZ]

Do u understand how many stars are found after pick 6?! Or do u consider players like Bynum, rondo, granger, Kobe, etc. to just be role players. U never know what u will get out of the draft, but not keeping ur pick means u get no star. Oh and half our "core" could easily be on the bench all next season

Ummm...so you're making the case that our pick next year can end up being Andrew Bynum? Awesome. Glad we'll have that pick.

[Catchall]

I think until very recently, the Jazz weren't expecting to be in the playoffs. Houston has lost like 7 of their last 8 games in order to put the Jazz in a position to sneak in. Otherwise, I think the Jazz would probably have been more willing to make a deal involving a pick, especially their own lotto pick. It's really weird how this season is shaking out. There must be some colorful conversations going on behind the scenes.

Who is it you guys would likely target with a #7 or #8 pick this year? Barnes? Sullinger? Henson? Jones3?